I did not realize it before, but that is an expensive list. Of the top 45, only a few can be had for under $3,000, Getaway, Whirlwind, Fish Tales and Dracula. I would say it would make those 4 high value games. I know some other titles could be had for under $3,000 but those would probably be rough condition, No Good Gofers and Shadow. #41 to #45 are all under $4,000. A lot of the Stern's you can get a pretty good example for $4,500 to $4,800.

This is getting expensive.

Fake news.

on a 10 point scale most places would put A at 9 or 9.3 and above.

Is this a Canadian grading system or something?

Xmen an A game...that's a tuffy

Only places grading on a curve would do that, and those places would be lame.

Correct, the top 100 is pretty useless

perfect, this displays just how stupid the rankings are. I like it.

See we are just at cross purposes. Cait is trying to get useful information from the rankings, Marvin wants to show they are stupid.

The top 100 are the most popular. Not the 100 best.

Cait is trying to get useful information from subjective, easily manipulated ratings. Marvin is trying to show subjective, easily manipulated ratings are useless.

Play the games YOU like. Not what rando's online say you should like. IPDB rankings are older than the ones here and are different than here too. They are also pretty damn useless.

I don't disagree but it also has to do with how many new people are coming into the hobby. If they buy a new in box game they rate it high on Pinside almost as a justification of their purchase. They probably haven't played half of the games on the top 100 but want to rank the new one they own very high because they own it.

This happens with every new game. Look at what's #1 right now.

There is a threshold, it's 15

Exactly. There are 4 games in the top 20 that I would not have in MY top 100.

xD .... that shit cracks me up so hard. Every single new Stern this happens. In about 1 week, the ratings will correct, and IMDN will go plummeting somewhere in the 20s-30s.

I pay attention to the top 100 about as much as some wedding in England that, for some reason, nearly everyone here in the States cares about...

That'd be completely unfair to games with smaller production runs. There are a ton of games in the top 100 that will probably never reach 300 ratings.

The point of the 15 is to make sure they have a stable sample, not just one person or something. It's big enough that one person can't have a huge effect, and that's it. You could try to do something with the relative popularity of games but there's not nearly enough data to work with that well, especially for older games.

The top 100 serves a purpose and fwiw I don’t think anyone would want to see it go as much as we all like to bash on it occasionally

The top 100 serves a purpose for beginners just getting into pinball as a sort of popularity guide, but for people that have been around and know what they like, it's basically useless. Don't get me started on the EM top 100, talk about not making any sense.

Sometimes, i'm curious to see if we separated the cosmetic aspect of the "Top 100" list from the gameplay aspect.

The Shadow theme and it's stock translite has never bothered me, but I know the majority of people despise it. Could you imagine if it was a more popular theme? It would likely be in the top 20, maybe even top 10 portion of the list.

With that said, I think the Top 100 is a good resource to read reviews and learn about the machines, but I never see it as the law of the land when considering which machines are the greatest.

Some of my favorite games aren't even in the "Top 100."

The Shadow is in my top 5 DMD Williams pins of all time. Backglass and all.

If you want a real treat. Watch the Shadow movie again. It's suprisingly better than lots of recent films. A film thats improved with age.
My personal top 5 WMS best DMD machine picks.
1 MM
2 TS
3 TZ
4 AFM
5 SS or MB

49 games are now at 8.0 or better. One more new release away from 50 I'm sure.

good thing most people already know the rating system doesn't mean shit and skewed by many fake factors. there are many games that have no business being in the top 300, let alone top 50. Plus, many pinsiders are DMD snobs, so many EM and early SS that are fantastic, are disregarded because of close minded individuals.

Based on the rating descriptions an 8.0 is "good" across the board. I don't think it's hard to believe that there are 50 games better then good.