Isn't it "tonight" in the UK now?
What other industry gives you anything close to periodic updates? Internet is full of whining whiners that proactively look for whining opportunities. Whiner.
Don't preorder...problem solved. Then you wont feel you are owed updates from a private company.
Plus ship...so essentially another new full blown wide body game--playfield, translite, side panels for less than the price of a stern pro with no service rails
Quoted from MK6PIN:
This type of thing might be applied across the board
Right, not sure where you draw the line though...every thread turns in to a discussion. The EM CL thread is mostly discussion and not actual CL offerings. Seems like just type Heighway in to the "show posts from pinsider" box and you have the problem solved for those that it bothers.
and if there's a giant LCD that can display animations, one would assume besides showing the standard art, it would transform in to most of the other images people are wanting to see...right?
Quoted from Aurich:
Video and static art are really two different beasts.
and if there is no translite essentially, there is no static art in that area at least...seems like the worries about the egg are moot in that case and we'll just have to wait on the animations and how that all shakes out.
Quoted from PinballRulez:
I think the big LCD makes the small LCD in the backbox obsolete?
I really would like to know this as I have the small LCD on order and that could be a waste of money.
You would think...like to hear from Heighway on that after dropping $350 for a factory fit one...
Quoted from way2wyrd:
Andrew stated you can keep the small or upgrade to the big for what ever the difference is. Not determined yet on price but his guesstimate was reasonable
What? Its one or the other,
This would be more of a concern for Full Throttle owners/expectant owners...the upgrade option--if they already have the small
Quoted from Aurich:
I think Andrew hoped the Moto GP theme will be more globally popular
It's motorcycles...what's wrong with motorcycles? Last I checked all those boomer viagra ads etc. featured mid life crisis guys hopping on a bike and hitting the road. Pinball guys aren't motorcycle guys? No idea. There's lots of manly talk on pinside, I bet some of those keyboard commandos own a bike. Or is it a stern hangover because it's not a movie theme?
Quoted from accidental:
I think it's not just the motorcycle theme but the art direction. It doesn't look badass.
Seems like it's an approachable game/theme for location. Non-pinball lunatics can understand, "let's race motorcycles"...really complex, random themes were theoretically one of the downfalls of pinball if you believe that kind of thing.
Quoted from Sticky:
These should be more compact length wise I would think due to not having the traditional backglass/box setup.
Check the pics and assembly...the machine will be very similar in size to others if not the same in length. The head is thinner but sits back and lines up with the back of other games it appears.
Quoted from bane:
Not getting responses from Heighway (via email) to questions about game progression. Given recent history of prepay pinball, I find this disconcerting. Deposit on LE game more than 3 months ago.
Pull the rip cord!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, read the thread. This new machine business is painfully slow for some reason. It would have to be an elaborate scheme to steal your money since they have another game out that they are actively promoting. Get your money back and wait until it's done. They won't sell out until they show gameplay and art at least...or buy a Full Throttle now and play it until the Alien playfield is available and drop it in your Full Throttle...lots of choices here.
Quoted from Kneissl:
Agreed 100% I think the screen on the playfield is great.. Sure you might look up in a stop and go moment and a big screen on the backbox is cool but why bother when everything is down where the ball is.
Between ball countdown of Facehugger bonus kills and what have you...presented in full HD on a 27 inch. I'll take it!
Quoted from rai:
FTH is selling like hot cakes, 10 Pinsiders own FTH compared to 81 who own AMH
...we've been through this*yawn*. They are sold out of current batch, sold initial batch...it is their FIRST MACHINE and they are selling out!! Do they have sterns production numbers ??? no. But they sell them. As fast. As they. Make them. (shortened the sentences up for you there so they have a chance at breaking through).
PS Are there really 81 AMH's "in the hands" of those pinsiders? I doubt it, but even so when did production on AMH start?
If you think they are so inept and terrible, might as well jump ship on the Alien, right?...see what I did there? I used logic.
Dude. Get. A. Clue.
This is sort of accepting the bizarre false premise that there is no demand for the game though, but I agree.
The problem is that people are at work and not working the week of the holiday...idle hands are the devils troll baiting nonsense poster....or however that saying goes.
How many Paul Reiser images can we expect in the art? Several, or just a couple?
Spoiler Alert: this will get deleted but word has it they are using a Circus Voltaire-esque spring bobbly that pops up with Paul Reiser's face....bash toy.
a real meeting of the minds here lately
Quoted from rai:
I am saying it's not a big selling pin
dude, they JUST started shipping the game!!! 1 small shipment has made it across the pond---and not because of demand, because they JUST started making the effing game. What color is the sky in your world!!!?? It makes ZERO sense to speculate on any numbers at this point.
"Ghostbusters is a failure!!! Zero people on pinside list it in their collection!!!"
It's nonsense. A super fast wide body with an original racing theme....vs whatever crappy movie license comes along with photoshopped pics of the actors on the sling plastics? The argument is just foolish and the guys making it are just doing the usual internet baiting because they are bored.
I thought the "industry standard" was being late by 1 full year ...seriously. Manufacturing things has unexpected delays and getting a pinball out on time is like putting a man on the moon.
PS(?pps?) Don't hold your breath on getting a freebie because you paid up early...ask the MMR people about that.
They've stated that Fox won't let them reveal until completed at this point...so it is what it is. Sometime this year it will be done. Take your money out and then buy back in if you like what you see when you see it. Buying something without ever seeing a pic of it is usually ill-advised anyway. If it's not completed by March I don't see any more of a down side than it not being done now...TPF or not. If you want an Alien pinball machine where else are you going to get an Alien pinball machine?
Quoted from rubberducks:
Is this something you'll consider for the Alien LE, or as an upgrade?
Seems like you should get the translite included even if you get the big LCD, actually especially if you pony up the extra $550 for the big LCD. I may be mistaken but I think you get the complete art package no matter what screen option...?
Quoted from iceman44:
A regular progress update.
they are in this thread...the last update before this one being we can not show anything to you until fox says OK but we have submitted a ton of shit to them. How can you update when you aren't allowed to show anything?
Let's not have a whiny new year people....you just got the BIG news that you can see the art for crying out loud!!!!
Quoted from FlipperFreak:
Cointaker in the USA
they list Full Throttle at $6995 plus Freight...I assume they give you a lower rate if you call. Heighway sells FuTh for $5950 USD plus stateside shipping only. In that scenario, ordering direct is much cheaper. Again, I would assume it's just a list price thing vs real price...I guess.
The ships, people, setting, planets, everything was gritty...that's how the movie looked
Seems like a really trivial issue...how is it not "legible"? Are we looking at the same image?
This is the essentially the final product...no offense, but you are wasting your time recommending and making changes--it's a fun exercise but as long as you know it won't happen. It's over Johnny.
Quoted from ForceFlow:
The two words are homophones, which is probably why some people don't realize there is a difference between them. Insure has to do with obtaining insurance. Ensure basically means "to make certain".
It's like the difference between "buy" and "bye" or "break" and "brake".
Isn't it as direct rip from the movie anyway? Not sure if the suggestion was there was an error in the art or an error in the film.
Either way, art's done, assemble the playfield and box up the swap kit.
Playfield art is complete. Revising, means sending all of it back to Fox and saying "we know you approved this but we thought we'd change a bunch of stuff...can you look at it all again?". Doubt that will happen (it won't). Game might be ready to show in March!
PS this is a stripped playfield. You typically have things called plastics, pop bumpers, slingshots, ramps, ball guides, LCD(!) that will go on it and drastically change the look.
Quoted from Aurich:
I'm sure some things will change as we build the second white wood, but probably just little things. Going through a whole new round of Fox approvals seems pretty unlikely to me, who knows how much it would delay things. So I'd say this is final for the most part.
PS I'm not saying I don't want it changed...it looks fine to me and I think it will look much different when assembled. I am just stating the REALITY of what was already stated here.
PSS I don't know what "spreading fud" means but it sounds like it should be moderated
Quoted from Jvspin:
To those who say it's a done deal, Aurich has repeatedly said he has to make changes so why not give him suggestions? It's easy to get lost in the details of a project. I think it's helpful to get inputs from people who are not uber fans and who are not so close to the project.
Maybe he should clear this up. "this is final for the most part." vs. "The artwork is subject to change."
Then we will know whether it's just fun speculation to change things around or an actual give and take where there is a real chance major items can be altered and sent back for approval...all before March when there was a tentative possibility of a complete prototype.
Maybe some people haven't looked at a high rez pic? 4 large Aliens as well as some lurking...this may be a matter of the brightness/contrast/resolution of the files that are shown on the interweb. I'll bet a full size playfield with the art will show all of this much more clearly...who knows?
Quoted from accidental:
It's hard to imagine it full size...but I think the Aliens will be huge and noticeable if the art is bright enough...these are widebodies as well for what that's worth. Let's see if they get it together by March so people can see it "in person"...betting it will look great. I haven't bought anything Alien BTW but plan on getting the swap kit unless somehow gameplay is horrible which seems unlikely given how fast/flowing/fun Full Throttle turned out.
Some people might not like a nuanced art package as opposed to super defined, super bright clip art from a TV show with beveled edge inserts and big actor face slings....you don't want too have to look to close while you are playing after all.
Callouts would be missed, not sure they were ever going the "hobbit" route with movie clips though...seems like they could get the "Alien" to sign off or some facehuggers if not the actors
How about the loader grabbing the ball and putting it in a captive ball lock? Too late in the game for that? Then the bitch line when they release the balls
Quoted from Aurich:
So it will need a new design obviously.
loader clipart surrounding screen
or...Throw on some Alien egg pods in the "distance" towards the bottom, green gas/fog surrounding the rest...or, alternatively, IF they approve, a bunch of crystal clear headshots of the cast.
Quoted from jedimojo:
Prometheus goes 35 light yrs into space, but CharlizeTheron said "We're a half billion miles from Earth".
So..... that means they're still in our solar system?
OK, Neil deGrasse Tyson...maybe it was hyperbole (or anti-hyperbole!)--If I wanted fact checked perfect space talk I'll watch your (Neil's) Universe show(which is also good!).
I liked the movie fine, no masterpiece but worthy of a couple hours of my time watching at home...of course I like anything Sci-Fi.
Quoted from Aurich:
If you don't like it the don't buy it
but please, stop by this thread and share all your minute, highly individualized needs and wants....and then add a threat that you won't buy unless something really specific happens or unless it ships by a certain deadline.
Maybe you could petition Heighway to make a "custom" Alien machine for each individual...that would be cost effective(20k by Christmas).
Quoted from Jvspin:
I didn't like the look of the old bezel but think the chromed one actually adds cosmetic value.
"Bezel" doesn't bother me one bit...what is the actual surface area difference from other machines with side rails/lockdown bar? Not much I suspect.
Chrome looks incredible but be prepared to wipe it down every time you touch it otherwise it will be a mess of finger/palm prints. I'll stick with the industrial standard look.
Quoted from spfxted:
Yes, and A few of my friends are switching to GB because it's ready now, and they figure they'll get Alien 6 or 8 months from now.
Quoted from underlord:
Pinball guys(gals), in general, are nuts in so many ways...and internet forums are nuts...combine the 2 and it distills and concentrates the nuttiness in some cases...like a really tasty bourbon, except horrible instead.
Regardless, FT, Alien and future releases through Heighway Model should eventually filter through the Stern zombies firewall against anything different. Red dots in 2016 for christsakes. ??!?