Quoted from emkay:
That's nothing, 6 Pinsiders already have Alien machines so you KNOW those numbers are solid!
There is a branch of math called statistics where you can study a group of numbers or a poll and come up with some valid conclusions. I don't expect you've heard of this. You're more of a guy who likes to say "there is one person at least who owns a machine and doesn't list it on Pinside so therefore the Pinside owners numbers are totally invalid." Back in the day you'd be a 'flat world' proponent.
For example is 12000 people on Pinside list TAF in their collection you can tell it's a high number pin. Not every person in the world who owns TAF belongs to Pinside, not every Pinsider who owns TAF lists it in their collection, I know of two people at least who own TAF and don't list it on Pinside.
But some subset of people do own TAF and do list it on Pinside. Due to statistics, a high number pin like TAF is going to be listed as owned by a high number of Pinsiders, a low number pin like WWE or FTH will be listed as very low in the 'owned' listing.
I'm not and never said FTH was a bad game or that it will be a flop. But the fact remains that 10 people out of ten's of thousands on Pinside list it as in their collection. I'm not saying they are not ramping up, but I am saying 10 owners and maybe 26 people have FTH on their wish list. That's a far cry from selling like hotcakes. I'm not making up these numbers.
When IMVE was released the number of people who listed it as in their collection went from 250+ to 400+ guess what, people bought the game and put it on Pinside. Not everyone, I know a few people who own IM that don't list it on Pinside owners list. Stern may have sold 500+ of IMVE we don't know for sure but we do know that 180-220 (some number) was added to the Pinside owners number after IMVE was released.
We can probably say that more IM (and IMVE) were built than Avatar since less than 200 people list Avatar in their collection. We can say Tron sold more games than IM because of the numbers of owners. There is other evidence, but the numbers of 'Owners' on Pinside is not a nonsensical number.
I am not saying only 10 people in the world own FTH, I am saying it's not a big selling pin, or not selling to collectors (maybe on location, because those games aren't usually listed on Pinside)