While I'm still not blown away by the looks of Full Throttle, the game played fantastic at expo. It was super fun and had a ton of fun shots. You could really tell that someone new designed the game. I liked it enough to consider getting one at some point when they are available. I'm hoping Alien pulls off the looks along with great game play. The shot map is definitely interesting. There's a crazy amount of shots on that design.

They are not even really avialable yet so there's no real way to know how well it will do once people start getting them. All of the ones that came out seemed to be more of the first 10 test machines and production is just now really starting. The lone distributor in the US does not have any yet and likely won't for another month. I wouldn't judge it's popularity until people can actually buy it and play it, not preorder it.

There are a lot more people in the US that care about motocycle racing then there are that care about pinball. All racing themes tend to do well on any type of game from pinball to arcades to home consoles. The theme is easy to understand and follow and fun. Just in my small area alone I know 2 pinball folks that are diehard motorcycle racing fans.

Looking forward to seeing how Alien turns out. Hopefully everything comes together for a nice game.

Any proof of that or are you just making up things based on what you like?

Do what half of pinside has done and use the ignore feature. After doing that the RZ thread shrunk in half. If people would quit quoting him I wouldn't even have to see the "ignored user comment"

Not sure why that trips you out. RZ has been fully revealed with game play and artwork. Alien is still a complete unknown from a company that is just now about to really start shipping their first pin. I'm much more surprised people committed to an 8K+ LE completely sight unseen. I played Full Throttle at expo and liked it enough to order one from Cointaker but it will likely be at least another month before I have it. I hope Alien is awesome and if it is I'll get one, no way I'm sending money or committing until I can see the game and preferably get to play it. Based on Full Throttles time line Alien is likely still a ways off anyway.

I swear pinside is a place more to argue about art then to talk about pinball. Overall the playfield is not at all what I expected but at the same time I think I like most of it. The inserts look great which is a huge plus. In a dark room playing you seem them the most anyway. At the end of the day what matters is how this game plays and if it's fun. Good art is a bonus that I can live without if the gameplay is great. It's nice to get both when you can though.

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It's going to be pretty hard to defend something that doesn't exist. You lied to me in person at tpf trying to get me to buy a game. You lied to thousands of us promising things that you knew could not happen in attempts to get our money. Then you slinked out the door to absolve yourself of the debts to start a new scam. You are a pretty pathetic person.

Seems pretty honest that people that own both companies are filling bankruptcy at heighway but are also buying the games from heighway and selling them for profit in their other company. But hey, we can still get you that LE....

They are the ones that got into bed with Andrew and they had to be either blind or stupid to not see many of the giant issues ahead of them. They also agreed to take over the company and get the games made. If they did not do a thorough enough review of things before moving forward with the purchase it is 100% their own fault. They also have a batch of games made that they seem to be using to fund their new company by selling to new buyers rather then fulfilling their obligation (which they knowingly took on) to the people that had already paid for their games. Andrew is a snake and the new management followed right in line behind him with lies and complete lack of communication and support.

Just a lot of deflecting and finger pointing. You would think Andrew was almost a victim with his twisted view points.

It may have been that he was lying to try to make payroll or keep the lights on. But none of that excuses it. It's also not surprising that the investors that were involved long ago with Andrew act in just a shady of a manner as Andrew did.

A sad end to a sorry state of affairs. I'd like to say that now we can consider preorder pinball dead but we all know its not as pinball people act like crackheads half the time. It's no wonder this community is such easy prey.

About saving as much of their investment as possible as they knew Alien and HP was toast.

Nothing scarier then the pinball tuff guy group..

I'll take a Queen pinball machine, but from a company that can actually make games. A Queen pin done right could do pretty well.

Then I feel sorry for you. It's literally impossible that you do not know at least 5 queen songs based on there use in advertising and movies alone.

Have you been to a pinball show? While it is not going to appeal to most people there are a ton of 45-65 year olds that have a basement or pinball room that is half arcade, half burlesque show. While it wouldn't have had a lot of mainstream appeal more people would have been into then you think. Not saying it's the right thing to make in todays society but once again, have you seen some of the people at pinball shows? Half of the pinball meet and greets at TPF are held at the wild pitch which is girls serving you food in their underwear. Seems pretty odd to me and I'm not sure how it's not a health code violation but to each their own. Heighway Pinball used Twin Peaks as their reveal venue at Expo so it can't be much of a surprise that Andrew thought Playboy was a good idea.