based on your posts I am now aware of something else. looks like some of the others are too. thanks for "enlightening" us.

now back to the good positive stuff...

Speaking of which, a tidbit of information was recently touched on about the Heighway "next level" fiber optic ramp lighting but has since been deleted from this thread. Hoping to see how this turns out on a Full Throttle LE so we can see what that's all about. Eager to be impressed.

Link?

Yeah I know but it's not my place to say. Must have been deleted for a reason I guess.

Correct...I deleted that ( my) post out of professional courtesy....please respect that....thanks....mark

Sorry for The question as it might have been an answer in this thread, but is a widebody pinball machine?
Thanks

Yes

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Is it a new orientation to product pinball machine? Will heighway pinball only product widebody machines?
I'm a bit desappointed that 2 news producters are taking that way ( just my taste to prefer standard size)

As a fan of wide body pins I admit bias, but It's true that standard body pins are preferred as flow is concerned. So hard to get good flow out of a widebody.

Play Full Throttle...

From what I've heard they want them to be the same size so people can switch out playfields/games

Yeah, it's not lacking for flow. And frankly Alien wouldn't be able to be built with 4 flippers and all the shots in a standard body.

IJ (another widebody) also has flow, but doesn't come close to FT on shots or speed.

Confirmed

Any chance an Aliens prototype and Full Throttle will be at TPF 2016 ?

Man,this would be a really great time to see a reveal.......here's hoping the approvals go smooth and quick.

Or maybe EAG International 2016 in London.....

another question that has certainly been developed here, what are the main difference between standard and LE model? is it only cosmetic or there will be gameplay variation?
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http://heighwaypinball.com/Gamenew/

The following can be bought as an upgrade for the Standard Edition also:
- Beacons
- Fiber Optic ramps
- Shaker motor

So in the end the difference is all cosmetic.

Selling the LE parts is the worst move ever. Andrew listen to me bro. Either make your LE's truly LE's and charge accordingly or just make one game. Defeats the point of going LE if you can just upgrade a regular with cash.

The trim will be different as well. Also you get a different back glass art work and side art work that can not be purchased after. As well as the standard art work included.

Let's be honest, if you don't put the big screen in the backglass area something's wrong with ya, it's amazing. I'm just frustrated LE now just means trim stuff. Make some playfield items exclusive. Doesn't have to impact gameplay, but man lighted ramps should be LE only.

I think it has to do with their modular approach. People who have enough room will buy LE's and leave them as is.

People with less space (like me) will buy one cabinet and multiple playfields with upgrades as wanted.

Heighway's LEs seem to be created exactly for this reason. Anyone else can go with playfield swaps.

Having gameplay features be exclusive to limited editions is a horrible idea and I'm glad Heighway isn't going that route.

But in the end, an LE WILL be an LE, and there will be enough difference to warrant getting one if you're into the theme....just put the price tags on all the adds, plus artwork, etc. that can't be bought, and it is very clear....

I couldn't disagree more here. LE should be for cosmetics only, playfield features should be across all editions. Heighway is doing it right.

You are correct if the lighted ramps are 500 and the beacons are 500 and then shaker is 300. May as well just get the LE. Unfortunately we have no idea what the additions will cost. I was thinking more lighted ramps 200 beacons 300 and shaker 200. I want to save every cent I can for the screen upgrade. I'm not interested in being in 9k for a single pin (with whatever the screen upgrade costs), so I'm looking at a standard.

i don't understand, does the LE also get the modular concept? can i put a LE playfield in a standard cabinet?

Yes

It's the best move ever. Being able to trick out your Standard with LE parts is great for people who don't rush to buy a game the moment it comes out. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the collectible market of an LE.

I'm torn on getting either backbox screen that simply mirrors the playfield one. If Heighway could share some concrete plans (even if its just a planned update down the road) as to whether that screen will have unique content, it would make this decision easier.

I'm torn on whether or not to get the large LCD if it only mirrors the PF one, I would almost rather see the backbox art with the smaller extra screen, its really only me playing the game 90% of the time so I don't care about on lookers, I guess its pointless until we see animations and all that anyway.

Agreed. The proposition is simple: if you don't think the LE is 'special enough' then don't buy it.

It also makes perfect business sense. Heighway will not lose a single customer who is interested in the LE version of a particular game, and finds it to be 'not special enough'. That customer will simply buy the SE version. And they'll likely spend extra money upgrading it with high-margin extras.

If Heighway went the Stern route and held back important features just for the LE version they'd be guaranteed to lose at least some customers who want the features of the LE but can't have them because they're all gone, and they'd burn goodwill from regular customers as well.

I'm just grateful Andrew is giving choices, period......I could give a "rat's ass" about others opinions on what I'm buying, unless they want to help pay for it....then I'm not in anyway.....

Exactly! I'm the primary player as well. The small one does make more sense as it would seem easier to glance up and take in vs. a huge monitor. But still seems kind of pointless to a home gamer if it's just a mirrored image.

I've actually decided to carve out a spot in my shop for this one so i can go out there in the middle of the night for a smoke pumping, beacon flashing, sub pounding Alien adventure without waking the whole house up!

Funny, I just scrolled up and saw this....hope something doesn't end up being wrong with me...

Ah. so you're THAT guy.

You should buy the big monitor in the backglass. The system is modular, if you do not have that screen, then you cannot use it. If there comes an upgrade/update that separates the video feeds either of the current games or future ones, you have the screen. I bought it for that reason as I intend to make use of the modular possibilities of the Heighway system.

Andrew believes firmly in the modular setup and we can only guess what he is planning, but I would bet on it that he will use the assets that are available as extensive as possible within the technical possibilities.

Bottom line: if you do not have it, the game cannot use it.

? why?

Yes, he is......glad he's found the Alien thread......

You can also buy the screen later.

don't feed the troll.

Just my opinion and topic related. Food for everyone

I'm pretty sure Andrew knows that 2+2 is 4. He can do some math?

If there is zero benefit to get an LE then he won't sell any "LE's" because everybody, including myself, will get the standard and add all the extra crap to it.

The whole LE thing is BS anyhow. If there is not any differentiation then he's an idiot and I doubt that.

We don't know the details of precisely what LE features will be optional à la carte extras for SE owners. It may be likely that buying SE and all optional extras costs more than the total LE package.

So on top of the guaranteed LE benefits of exclusive trim colours/finishes, certificate/plaque, and a superior art package that is (IIRC) in additional to getting the SE art package, the LE package may be an overall cheaper way to get everything. I bet there will also be some LE exclusive goodies in the goody bag.

For the life of me, I will never understand why people continually get worked up over this LE shit.....

It is freakin as basic as it gets....is there some sort of rule ( only for pinball, of course, because everything else retail wise of substance has " limited editions") that all shall be equal, regardless what you paid for it? WTF?

How is it determined to be " limited"? Who cares? Is it different from a "standard"? You better count on it, or they wouldn't charge more. Is it worth it? That is determined solely by the person buying the f**king thing, no one else.

Do I condescend or have " pin envy " over a guy that has a BSM and I have a red one? No....and if they chose it because they wanted it, then how is that wrong, or an " ignorant" choice? Everyone has unique wants/ tastes....time to let it the f**k go....

Check the options, buy what you want ( or not) , and move on.....whining on and on about this shit is just pointless

( sorry for excessive profanity, but this judgmental crap just pisses me off)....

Personally I'm over the whole LE thing entirely. Rob Zombie game is only 300 units, and even it's getting an LE? Just feels out of hand.

I'd rather just see Standard and Premium. Because I realize there is an audience for extra bling, and cool ideas that you just can't fit into the normal BOM. So sell a pimped out version, and a regular version, and just make as many as people want to buy.

That's just me speaking though. I'm glad Alien has an LE, means I get to do a backglass that's my design, since the Standard one was more constrained.