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ALIEN PINBALL - Game Over, Man, Game Over


By HeighwayPinball

4 years ago



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#20951 11 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

Just curious why? What I mean is someone like stern buys the rights to produce it and does it right. The feedback from majority that play a working version love it so I would think you get backing from a well proven manufacturer and stern obtains a proven machine with amazing appeal

Because they would have to redesign the game mechanically and electronically -not to mention coding - and possibly deal with the legal fallout and possible licensing issues in the aftermath the Heighway disaster. And hey, now they have to set up a new line for widebodies?

Or...they can just keep turning out hits like Iron Maiden without worrying about any of that bullshit.

Again...what’s the incentive to get involved In the Heighway clusterfuck, except for that fact that some people really like Alien? “Amazing appeal” or not It simply makes zero sense for any of the other companies to do this.

#20952 11 months ago

Holy shit... After losing nearly 5k in the Predator scam, I feel extremely lucky to have gotten my paid in full Alien LE order fully refunded back in September. But it still sucks to see these two themes shit the bed.

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#20953 11 months ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

Seems like it's going to become a rare title and jump in value if the company folds.

Only 73 Full Throttles produced and the prices have been in free fall. Rarity doesn't always translate to value.

#20954 11 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

Just curious why? What I mean is someone like stern buys the rights to produce it and does it right. The feedback from majority that play a working version love it so I would think you get backing from a well proven manufacturer and stern obtains a proven machine with amazing appeal

Too much risk for Stern, not nearly enough reward. With the ACDC Premium window thingy, I'd bet they wouldn't want to start dabbling with sub-playfield monitors, nor would want to do any of the following come to think of it - Redo the backbox, the side art, the interchangeable/module sub-assemblies, hardware that's different than their standard (and resulting inventory of those items for spares and whatnot)... and isn't Alien a widebody? So a whole new cabinet for them as well, all to end up with a game that will sell at the Prem price point, yet they could've just made another cornerstone game in less time to begin with.

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#20955 11 months ago

Also, I went back to the 1st post and gave HP their first down vote. I feel like they deserve it after all this.

#20956 11 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

BTW it's ALIEN DAY tomorrow!
We've started ordering our yearly cakes!

Lmao I forgot about that one. Heading out to the hallmark store now.

#20957 11 months ago
Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Imagine the good will if he were to donate it to some type of good cause like that Pinball raffle thing...

could also save the freight if he donated it to a cause over there.

#20958 11 months ago

pinball infamy “the notorious container load of alien pinball machines”!

I can’t wait to see the picture of it!

#20959 11 months ago

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-se-for-sale-or-trade-for-iron-maiden-le

$12000 anyone?

Yikes, for a game that won't be repairable anytime soon.....

#20960 11 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-se-for-sale-or-trade-for-iron-maiden-le
$12000 anyone?
Yikes, for a game that won't be repairable anytime soon.....

Price seems low

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#20961 11 months ago

Remember when the investors made their first announcement, and I said that outside of them, I as the game's designer had the most to lose? That wasn't hyperbole. I hope Aurich does get his machine, because he knows what I'm talking about. I wish I was in a better position to give my side of the story, but I can't because right now I'm a focal point in between two parties, I have to remain neutral, and I've got to let things play out between them first.

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#20962 11 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

Just curious why?

the question is what would it take to do it, what are those costs and when all is said and done and is there enough upside to do it . . .

1) replace electronics, not like any existing company would want to use a different control system then then use and have to maintain it, make the boards, etc. so what does it take to re-engineer and port it over to that companies platform.
2) Code -- this also likely needs to be ported to a different system, what is the time/cost of doing that? Can the original developers do it, or would that require getting them up to speed on the new platform vs re-doing it with one of your own developers. How much re-work to assets is needed, etc.
3) Cabinet -- hard to see anyone keeping the current cabinet design, so what is involved in re-engineering the game for a different cabinet, power supply, etc.
4) its a wide body game (and not sure if it is even standard wide body dimensions) -- so, can this playfield size go down the existing assembly line.
5) Are new vendors going to be needed for the game specific parts, meaning if current vendors are owed money are they going to be willing to be involved. Tooling costs?
6) Are the current unique mechs reliable, or do they also need to be re-engineered, etc.
7) you need to renew the license with fox, and given the issues with this, they may certainly want more money this time and a larger guarantee. They may also decide they just don't want to do it.
8 What do you do with those who paid for machines and never got them, you have no real requirement to make things right but does that leave a cloud handing over this.

So you have all of those costs, all of these downsides, so how much are you now willing to spend to acquire the 'assets'? What are they really worth given how much needs to be done? Probably not enough for this to make this make sense. Not saying it is impossible, but, there are some pretty big hurdles to overcome and very little upside vs doing your own title.

#20963 11 months ago
Quoted from rosh:

the question is what would it take to do it, what are those costs and when all is said and done and is there enough upside to do it . . .
1) replace electronics, not like any existing company would want to use a different control system then then use and have to maintain it, make the boards, etc. so what does it take to re-engineer and port it over to that companies platform.
2) Code -- this also likely needs to be ported to a different system, what is the time/cost of doing that? Can the original developers do it, or would that require getting them up to speed on the new platform vs re-doing it with one of your own developers. How much re-work to assets is needed, etc.
3) Cabinet -- hard to see anyone keeping the current cabinet design, so what is involved in re-engineering the game for a different cabinet, power supply, etc.
4) its a wide body game (and not sure if it is even standard wide body dimensions) -- so, can this playfield size go down the existing assembly line.
5) Are new vendors going to be needed for the game specific parts, meaning if current vendors are owed money are they going to be willing to be involved. Tooling costs?
6) Are the current unique mechs reliable, or do they also need to be re-engineered, etc.
7) you need to renew the license with fox, and given the issues with this, they may certainly want more money this time and a larger guarantee. They may also decide they just don't want to do it.
What do you do with those who paid for machines and never got them, you have no real requirement to make things right but does that leave a cloud handing over this.
So you have all of those costs, all of these downsides, so how much are you now willing to spend to acquire the 'assets'? What are they really worth given how much needs to be done? Probably not enough for this to make this make sense. Not saying it is impossible, but, there are some pretty big hurdles to overcome and very little upside vs doing your own title.

But the game has amazing appeal!!

#20964 11 months ago

How long will the disbursement of assets take?

My Guess is Two Weeks.

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#20965 11 months ago
Quoted from rosh:

the question is what would it take to do it, what are those costs and when all is said and done and is there enough upside to do it . . .

1) replace electronics, not like any existing company would want to use a different control system then then use and have to maintain it, make the boards, etc. so what does it take to re-engineer and port it over to that companies platform.
2) Code -- this also likely needs to be ported to a different system, what is the time/cost of doing that? Can the original developers do it, or would that require getting them up to speed on the new platform vs re-doing it with one of your own developers. How much re-work to assets is needed, etc.
3) Cabinet -- hard to see anyone keeping the current cabinet design, so what is involved in re-engineering the game for a different cabinet, power supply, etc.
4) its a wide body game (and not sure if it is even standard wide body dimensions) -- so, can this playfield size go down the existing assembly line.
5) Are new vendors going to be needed for the game specific parts, meaning if current vendors are owed money are they going to be willing to be involved. Tooling costs?
6) Are the current unique mechs reliable, or do they also need to be re-engineered, etc.
7) you need to renew the license with fox, and given the issues with this, they may certainly want more money this time and a larger guarantee. They may also decide they just don't want to do it.
8 What do you do with those who paid for machines and never got them, you have no real requirement to make things right but does that leave a cloud handing over this.

So you have all of those costs, all of these downsides, so how much are you now willing to spend to acquire the 'assets'? What are they really worth given how much needs to be done? Probably not enough for this to make this make sense. Not saying it is impossible, but, there are some pretty big hurdles to overcome and very little upside vs doing your own title.

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#20966 11 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

But the game has amazing appeal!!

It's my GRAIL THEME!!!!!!!

God, I hate that phrase.

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#20967 11 months ago
Quoted from PoMC:

It's my GRAIL THEME!!!!!!!

More like Braille theme....cause you ain't seeing this one

#20968 11 months ago
Quoted from PoMC:

It's my GRAIL THEME!!!!!!!
God, I hate that phrase.

Grail theme
World under glass
Just one more game
The colors really pop
10k by Xmas
"license"

#20969 11 months ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

No worries! You JPOP victims were the first to get screwed over in what ended up being a long line of shitty pinball people. If I'm ever in a place to buy you a beer, I'd love to.

beer?!? hah! kim's only good at stealing all my good whiskey!

#20970 11 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-se-for-sale-or-trade-for-iron-maiden-le
$12000 anyone?
Yikes, for a game that won't be repairable anytime soon.....

World's first disposable game. Play until it breaks and then put it out on the curb.

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#20971 11 months ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Play until it breaks and then ...

part it out for a net profit.

#20972 11 months ago

Now that the's blood in the water , time for the pinside sharks to feast . Eat up!

Sorry to the PIF people who are no doubt upset at this news.

#20973 11 months ago

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#20974 11 months ago
Quoted from spfxted:

A fun look down Memory Lane....

And in post #14052 Hilton says your the one who looks silly Ted. Hahahaha

#20975 11 months ago
Quoted from PoMC:

It's my GRAIL THEME!!!!!!!
God, I hate that phrase.

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Grail theme
World under glass
Just one more game
The colors really pop
10k by Xmas
"license"

Don't forget, Immersive and Robust.

#20976 11 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-se-for-sale-or-trade-for-iron-maiden-le
$12000 anyone?
Yikes, for a game that won't be repairable anytime soon.....

Maybe it's the "Supreme" edition???

#20977 11 months ago
Quoted from Rum-Z:

And in post #14052 Hilton says your the one who looks silly Ted. Hahahaha

Hey look, I'm sorry people lost money, but I feel nothing for the company. They could have come clean....

#20978 11 months ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Hey look, I'm sorry people lost money, but I feel nothing for the company. They could have come clean....

Agreed.

#20979 11 months ago

Posts and comments have started "disappearing" on Heighway's facebook page (including two of mine). Someone is obviously active over there. It's almost funny if this is an attempt at doing damage control.

#20980 11 months ago
Quoted from rosh:

the question is what would it take to do it, what are those costs and when all is said and done and is there enough upside to do it . . .
1) replace electronics, not like any existing company would want to use a different control system then then use and have to maintain it, make the boards, etc. so what does it take to re-engineer and port it over to that companies platform.
2) Code -- this also likely needs to be ported to a different system, what is the time/cost of doing that? Can the original developers do it, or would that require getting them up to speed on the new platform vs re-doing it with one of your own developers. How much re-work to assets is needed, etc.
3) Cabinet -- hard to see anyone keeping the current cabinet design, so what is involved in re-engineering the game for a different cabinet, power supply, etc.
4) its a wide body game (and not sure if it is even standard wide body dimensions) -- so, can this playfield size go down the existing assembly line.
5) Are new vendors going to be needed for the game specific parts, meaning if current vendors are owed money are they going to be willing to be involved. Tooling costs?
6) Are the current unique mechs reliable, or do they also need to be re-engineered, etc.
7) you need to renew the license with fox, and given the issues with this, they may certainly want more money this time and a larger guarantee. They may also decide they just don't want to do it.
8 What do you do with those who paid for machines and never got them, you have no real requirement to make things right but does that leave a cloud handing over this.
So you have all of those costs, all of these downsides, so how much are you now willing to spend to acquire the 'assets'? What are they really worth given how much needs to be done? Probably not enough for this to make this make sense. Not saying it is impossible, but, there are some pretty big hurdles to overcome and very little upside vs doing your own title.

so....Oktoberfest or Alien? ....I know which one may sell better

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#20981 11 months ago

good bye 6500

#20982 11 months ago

a dealer in The Netherlands is selling his demo-Alien pinball ... now I know why...

#20983 11 months ago
Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:

Remember the good ol days when due diligence and raising an eyebrow towards this company was the recipe for 35 down votes?

I got 50. But I admit... I enjoyed a bunch of beer before I shared my thoughts so... LOL.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rebirth-of-heighway-pinball?tu=jefff#op

This current situation really sucks. I have a good friend who has been all in for a couple years on an LE and he's getting totally screwed. I really, truly, honestly hate Andrew Heighway.

#20984 11 months ago
Quoted from rosh:

the question is what would it take to do it, what are those costs and when all is said and done and is there enough upside to do it . . .
1) replace electronics, not like any existing company would want to use a different control system then then use and have to maintain it, make the boards, etc. so what does it take to re-engineer and port it over to that companies platform.
2) Code -- this also likely needs to be ported to a different system, what is the time/cost of doing that? Can the original developers do it, or would that require getting them up to speed on the new platform vs re-doing it with one of your own developers. How much re-work to assets is needed, etc.
3) Cabinet -- hard to see anyone keeping the current cabinet design, so what is involved in re-engineering the game for a different cabinet, power supply, etc.
4) its a wide body game (and not sure if it is even standard wide body dimensions) -- so, can this playfield size go down the existing assembly line.
5) Are new vendors going to be needed for the game specific parts, meaning if current vendors are owed money are they going to be willing to be involved. Tooling costs?
6) Are the current unique mechs reliable, or do they also need to be re-engineered, etc.
7) you need to renew the license with fox, and given the issues with this, they may certainly want more money this time and a larger guarantee. They may also decide they just don't want to do it.
8 What do you do with those who paid for machines and never got them, you have no real requirement to make things right but does that leave a cloud handing over this.
So you have all of those costs, all of these downsides, so how much are you now willing to spend to acquire the 'assets'? What are they really worth given how much needs to be done? Probably not enough for this to make this make sense. Not saying it is impossible, but, there are some pretty big hurdles to overcome and very little upside vs doing your own title.

Man well said. I totally understand and agree with you there. I guess this really could be it. Such a shame.

#20985 11 months ago

Andrew is a f@ck twat...

#20986 11 months ago

Anyone who wants an alien next to their magic girl, I'll let mine go for 12.5K

#20987 11 months ago

Yeah, it's easy for some of us to get caught up in the drama and overlook the good people that are really effected and hurt in all of this.
My sincere condolences to everyone taking a hit here.

#20988 11 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Yeah, it's easy for some of us to get caught up in the drama and overlook the good people that are really effected and hurt in all of this.
My sincere condolences to everyone taking a hit here.

I agree - really hate the way all this went down. Seemed like it was turning around when I picked one up...

#20989 11 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Only 73 Full Throttles produced and the prices have been in free fall. Rarity doesn't always translate to value.

Wrong
I get (got) monthly production numbers for this title.

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#20990 11 months ago

(edited by mod team) I'm just saying the game is amazing but as others laid out it doesn't make sense. In not a developer or manufacturer so I wasn't aware of the complete effort to get this going regardless of it's stern or not.

#20991 11 months ago
Quoted from epotech:

Wrong
I get (got) monthly production numbers for this title.

OK. So what are they?

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#20992 11 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

Levi - if there is one thing you do well it's being a dick. Somewhere in that bald head of yours is some good info but man you make it hard to talk to you. I'm just saying the game is amazing but as others laid out it doesn't make sense. In not a developer or manufacturer so I wasn't aware of the complete effort to get this going regardless of it's stern or not.

I said the exact same thing as Rosh did but in fewer words, and I certainly didn't insult you like you just did me. I have no idea why you are being pissy.

It's not my fault the Alien project was a complete failure in every way.

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#20993 11 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I said the exact same thing as Rosh did but in fewer words. I have no idea why you are being pissy.

That's exactly my point. You have some good feedback but you have to be a dick at the end and always looking to piss people off. I appreciated Rosh's explanation bc there was no judgment. You should take a cue from him and get some class. Simple as that. I don't care if you don't just throwing it out there. I'm leaving it at that.

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#20994 11 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

That's exactly my point. You have some good feedback but you have to be a dick at the end and always looking to piss people off. I appreciated Rosh's explanation bc there was no judgment. You should take a cue from him and get some class. Simple as that. I don't care if you don't just throwing it out there. I'm leaving it at that.

You just called me a bald dick for absolutely no good reason.

Thanks for the lessons in class. I'm leaving it at that.

#20995 11 months ago

Aren’t they all?

#20998 11 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

That was my thought!

Beat u to it?

#20999 11 months ago

I had bigger fish to fry, like trying to figure out once and for all if me or Alien Guy has more class!

#21000 11 months ago

1: Someone with a machine strip that mother down and get a ton of spare parts made, sell them to everyone with a machine.
2: Everyone with a machine who doesn't know how to fix things, sell it to people who do
3: Drive prices up through careful market control
4: ???
5: Every edition becomes a limited collectors edition.

This sucks, and I hope people get machines, but this thread has been nothing but depressing for the past 2 years anyways. It's like putting down a sick dog. Just let this pupper go fellas.

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