Basic algebra:

Assets = Liabilities + Equity
Equity = Assets - Liabilities
If Liabilities > Assets, Equity < 0.

Trading worthless equity in exchange for investors assuming outstanding liabilities can often be a reasonable trade.

Thought about that as well. First, it would cost a small fortune. Second, I'd have to go through them all anyway. I can fit 8 at a time on my scanner...just need to make time...

TheKorn has a business for this... talk to him for some horse-trading I'm sure

i know a girl i grew up with on facebook took the time to scan some old school photos from like 1984. it was very nice of her to share them.

im the guy in the blue fishnet shirt. this is one of my oldest pictures, my house burned down when i was sixteen. right around this time.

i didnt know what was coming.

the girls i grew up with were pretty hot.
(as you can see bottom left) i kissed many of them here. some of them kissed each other. they remember me i know! i certainly remember them.

back to alien...

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5 years ago, an acquaintance started an auction company with a friend and had 1600 sq. feet office in front to sublet to me. The auction business went on about 15 months. It was not making money. In comes a new partner. The guys were tired of working so hard for chicken feed and proceeded to negotiate a sale of the failing business to a new party. As soon as they had a handshake agreement on the sale, these guys baled and left the buyer high and dry. The transfer degraded into a 9 month lawsuit where the guys I knew lost spectacularly because one of the partners had just under a thousand text messages saying anything the buyer wanted to hear so he wouldn't get sucked back in. In the end it became clear that the guys I knew could have extricated themselves cleanly if they would have cooperated on the hand off.

When people have struggled for a period of time, they get very desperate to drop the yoke. If Andrew wants to protect his name and legacy, he'd better be willing to spend some time facilitating the transfer. If he signed the papers and said AMFYOYO and can no longer be bothered to any significant degree, then he has decided to sink the project.

Except these guys have supposedly been involved with the project for quite some time. It's possible they have a good understanding of the current state of the project and how to move it forward without Andrew's help or interference.

me...back in the day
...back to Alien...

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Funny. I can hardly read it lately. I'm burned out on all the chatter. Other than seeing the new games and my local clubs, I'm passig over most of it the last few months.

Geez Ted you were a badass!

What happened to ya buddy?

Time! (me 1995)

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Horsepucky! Remember the smokin bowflex grandma?

Just gotta up your resistance...

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Are you the one on the left or on the right?

Got to play Alien at the NW show as well and for me, it was my favorite of all of the new games.

Shots felt good, callouts were great and really made you feel immersed into the world. Layout was fun and different too without feeling clunky.

I actually really liked the playfield display as I didn't know them game and it allowed me to keep my eyes on the playfield instead of looking up to find out what was happening. The display animations and information look amazing on the large backglass display.

I also think that this game will be a big earner on route. It just looks awesome when you walk up to it and I imagine that the liscense will be a huge attraction. I know people keep saying they want unlicensed games but damn did it feel fun to put youit self into Ripley's shoes and tear into some Alien scum.

I really hope that everything works out for the production of this game because I would happily kick out a couple older titles to fund one if I can count on post production support. Thanks Tommy and Nitro for giving us the opportunity to see it and play it in person.

We're talking about me! Don't get off topic....

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Jordache Jeans, Ted?

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Im out. So dissapointing.

Not so little Ted Corvette...

Wait, why has this thread turned into reliving the glory days? In that case:

Well, we have nothing else to chat about.....yet!

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...hope to hear some positive Alien news soon.

To expand on this it happens on .97 when there is a 4 player game. Scores are normal for ball 1 and get screwed as soon as player 4 bonus ends.

Copied from the other thread - seems it should be here as well:

Strong work sunking

This is true. A bug related to player context switching snuck into that version. It's fixed in 0.98 and later. I do apologize, that's a terribly embarrassing bug that never should've gotten out. It affects any multiplayer game; single player games should be fine.

Super sad that I had to cancel out of the pre-order via paypal methods due to the lack of communication. I think this will be my last time of pre-ordering pinball games for the foreseeable future. Bummer.

can someone, for the love of god, tell me the benefits of preordering/prepaying... i have yet to work it out.

You get your game earlier than if you wait for them to be in stock

And if you get in early enough, you get to beta test the machine, so there's that!

Seriously though, with a game like TBL, I think there's a fear of missing out if a limited run sells out (which it did for TBL, of course, though it's hard to remember that now).

I had the cash in hand. Had I not given it to Heighway I'd have blown it on something else. I really want an Alien so I rolled the dice. Of course at the time I did know it was such a big roll.

To lock in at the preorder price. LE is currently £900 ($1150) more expensive than the original price, and that's before the proposed price rises.

One for gamblers only though, and any more than £1k for the deposit would have taken me over my personal stake limit .

The company gets a multiyear, interest free loan from you. That's the benefit.

(Pre-orderers get zero benefits and zero game)

Not entirely true, of course, as you know a number of pre-order situations have worked out in the end (usually after several years of frustration). But the hit/miss ratio is still quite alarming.

in the case of Jpop, 25 people did eventually get games and the value of those games seems to have gone up ~4k from purchase (despite being nothing more than a box of blinky lights made to stay off litigation)

in the case of TBL, 50? people have gotten games and some appear to think they are now doubled in value

in the case of Alien, 24 people have gotten games

So far, Predator is the big flop. Only thing we have gotten there is hours of entertainment and the knowledge that Kevin and crews lives are misserable because of what they all did.

I agree the pre-order is stupid all around, but providing the reasoning why it still lives on. When only 1 company has been a 100% flop, there are potential upsides for people.

Tell that to the other people who are out games from the companies you mentioned

oh, I completely understand (I am out money also with multiple companies mentioned)

I was just pointing out that some people did in fact benefit. Prime example is the guy that sold his MG slot for 23k on the post expo hype. It is like playing the lotto. IN that case, 1 person paid in 16k and sold just the position before the game even delivered and profited a bunch of money. Because some did in fact benefit, it seems to keep others pulling on the hendle to gamble in the pre-order model...

After hearing various production numbers mentioned for Alien.

Is the "24" units mentioned above actually factual or guesstimate?

just a guess but a guess based on paying pretty close attention and from numerous conversations about stuff as they progressed.

Somewhere between 17-24 from my math, but I choose to shoot on the high side for that.

25 JPOP games were delivered?

In the case of JPOP, over a HUNDRED people got effed with RAZA and AIW.

About two HUNDRED people are currently getting effed by DP with TBL.

HUNDREDS of people are currently getting effed by Heighway with Alien.

Everyone in Predator got effed.

Everyone was in on these games before all these failures actually happened. I'd like to hope that pre-orders don't live on with new companies.

Simply interested as an alien owner but it was lower than I'd heard.

Rumour is only 4 in UK so I was guessing the 40-60 units I'd heard was over estimating especially as it's a uk based company but I'm surprised it's as low as 24. I guess most went to states.

Let's hope they still get made as in my opinion it is a great pin and it would be a crime not to get as many out into the wild as possible.

Very hard though so you need proper play time to get into it, a quick go at a show doesn't give enough time to realise. Though that's true of most pins I guess.

Theme is amazing. I was another who lost out on predator which was my other dream theme. Gutted. The two together would have been awesome.

Two together.....hey JJP make AVP!!

I've played Alien. It's not that great. Dialed In! is actually a lot more fun.

Given my experience playing at shows, I actually found Dialed In more fun than Alien as well. That said, there's something about Dialed In that I'm completely not interested in, and something about Alien that makes me assume I'd grow into it in a home environment.

Yep well once again negative opinion from someone who doesn't own it. Buy one. Play it properly than decide.

how many features did you experience to make this informed statement?

I'd rather hear what other owners think. They are the ones who really know, but everyone can have an opinion even if it's misguided I suppose.

Andrew bought my AvP pachinko machine. Just saying

Cheeks Sure. At home you can tune Alien the way you like, because in the show the shots felt clunky to me.

You are "Off topic" but the theme sucks, sorry

I never voice opinions on pins until I've owned them, put some hours into playing it than decide.

Opinions change as you learn the game first hand.

DI is a family game and Aliens is Sci Fi horror, can't really compare the 2, I would rather flip Alien any day but I'm not into emojis and selfies, cartoon graphics and the like, still I enjoy playing DI very much, but its the theme and that matters, hopefully Aliens get made and having both pins out there is a great thing.

athena Opinions are exactly that, and you have zero authority to tell me what to say or do.