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Quoted from DerGoetz:I have a new computing unit on order with Chris and Melissa, but if even they cannot get pre-paid pinball machines shipped to them, what hope do I have to get a new brain for my broken FTh.....
That sucks
Cointaker getting no info or updates is NOT comforting.
Reminds me of the other nightmare i went through.
We are rolling into June now.
Where is the "ramp up"? Promised month after month since Expo.
Fiber optics haven't even been ordered yet. But 1 LE has been delivered.
People can't get refunds or answers.
JJP had a white knight roll in to save the day.
It's takes $$$ to "ramp up" and finish pins. Can anybody tell me how the F that is going to happen at this point?
Or are we supposed to suspend all common sense once again? I don't think so.
Not a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
Quoted from jonesjb:He showed the box noting it was a LE.
No fiber optics, just green armor and a box that says LE on it.
I'm guessing the LE artist hasn't even been paid yet.
Can anyone explain this little string of posts by Circus?
How did the black trim turn green somehow, along with writing on the box that was blank before?
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread?tu=join_the_cirqus
Quoted from way2wyrd:I acknowledge tge problems we are sewing and i feel for you with your support for your FT . Where did tge LE artwork come from?
I'm trying not to be overly nuts here but if you look at the string of posts its obvious to me that Andrew just sent him the artwork and he sharpied up the box after the fact. These guys have been tight from day one it appears.
Either way Jeff, I'm getting tired of all the lies and BS.
Guys asking for refunds being promised all kinds of crap to stay in, Andrew begging not to bail.
Nobody getting paid, been down this road before, know how the story ends.
Quoted from angus:only question is did Andrew put him up to it, or did he do this himself.
I'm thinking that was the deal for him getting his pin when he did.
The stupidity of it all is kind of hilarious at this point.
Except for the fact that its designed to get people to keep sending $$$ in as if LE's are starting to ship now.
They haven't even ordered fiber optic parts yet! Wtf
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Whats in your cup tonight, Ice?
Nothing really Art, its just time to bring this whole thing to a head now and get some real answers, not the con.
Myself and plenty of others have $$$ at stake and we keep getting the run around.
My common sense tells me what the outcome is going to be but man, watching this thing play out again is something else.
You guys are funny, I'm just chilling out and hanging out at the beach. Packed in like sardines down here.
All Andrew has to do is "ramp up" like he keeps saying he's going to.
Quoted from Yipykya:Source?
One of the guys trying to get a refund knows the supplier. Imagine that? Yes I believe him.
Once the order is placed it will take 2-3 months to deliver. Hmmm....
I'm staying sober tonight, had a bit too much fun last night!
18% Jeff, dang
I do have a huge container of Everclear Lemoncello being shipped back from Italy, 32%, should be at the house when i get back from coast!
Quoted from Buzz:Starting to seem like a cash grab con unfortunately. Get people excited if they buy now they can get their game but the majority will just join the rest of us with no game then trickle out another one or two to try to get more money
The whole thing is slim shady
Hoping to get a pin and staying positive is one thing BUT there are so many unanswered questions that are outstanding
Some people make the argument that we shouldn't be entitled to know the inner workings of Andrew's business and the finances associated therewith.
That's crazy talk, he has taken in hundreds of thousands of our $$$, without delivering a product that we paid for (yes that was stupid), and he should be 1000% open and honest about the use of our funds as a fiduciary and the status of OUR products
Quoted from Astropin:Yeah...he got the LE translite also. Plus they will be sending the plaque and optics.
He requested it be sent to him this way, so what's the big deal? If I was in on an LE and was given this option I would GRAB it!
He requested it to be sent that way because like everybody else NOBODY wants the musical chairs to end and be the ones in limbo like Dutch Pinball.
And i don't believe there is any rhyme or reason as to why or who gets a pin shipped first. Cash in hand is king, like JJP Woz days.
Quoted from Pale_Purple:I thought it was said earlier that the fiber optic ramp lights could only be installed at the factory? If this is not the case I see a lot of LE pre orders wanting to do this.
That's what was said, but its hard to install them when they haven't even been ordered yet.
Quoted from rubberducks:I can ask the source if it's ok to post it. But I suspect they won't want to be identified. I'm sure others received it, but if they were individually written rather than templated, that would allow identification.
I didn't receive it, nor have i gotten an answer to my recent PM's to Andrew, but I was only one of the first ones to put a deposit down years ago (stupidly)
Seems there is a bunch of selective communication going on right now.
Around July/August of LAST YEAR, Andrew was asking for payments because "your games, including the LE's, were ready for production", meaning ordering parts etc.
Now we find out almost a year later almost NOTHING related to the LE has been "ready for production", except for the LE artwork and a source has claimed that he hasn't even been paid for his services.
Mark post #9285 by Andrew that Falcon punch displayed. Read it again and think about what it says.
"100 LE games are scheduled for January and every month thereafter as a minimum"
Granted, this was the standard line on a rolling 30 day basis BUT knowing what we know and what has actually occurred, what would any reasonable person think about the STATE OF MIND when he kept saying those things?
Quoted from Wickerman2:I seem to remember that they had a problem with Xeno boards and revised a couple things after that post, hence the delay.
But, by all means, everyone get back in your circle and open fire.
Maybe after you guys convince everyone to cancel I'll be able to grab a playfield kit sooner.
It wasn't just that post. He was saying the same thing right after expo knowing full well it isn't true
And NEVER will be true. Yet we suspend all disbelief here.
When you watch what Stern and JJP go through to get a pin ready to ramp, and they actually have the employees, parts and equipment, how can anyone in their right mind believe production will be anything more than Spooky level?
Think about that, Spooky is kicking ass and they are just now getting to pin 275 on RZ
BUT they have MUCH less overhead and haven't spent years getting pins out
You take people's money, live on said funds for several years and then wind up with no funds left because it all went to fixed overhead. What a F ing surprise that is
Heighway isn't some special case that can defy the laws of business
And despite the Porsche Cayenne he just bought I don't think he's independently wealthy
It's good that you posted Andrew.
I'm hoping it's great news next week
However, using some excuse that people are trying to take Heighway down is getting a bit old
I just want the pin I've put a deposit on and for you to start being honest with everybody
If you did your job on your end you wouldn't be in this position. Sorry but it's on YOU and nobody else
I have been a big supporter of yours and still am. I love the theme and what you guys have done but I don't want to hear any more excuses
So, if you don't like that you can send me my $1500 too. I'd rather see a game though
Thank you for clarifying that.
Rubber under an NDA and emailing people to pull out is way beyond inappropriate
Not sure why people can't decide for themselves
Get pins out, no worries
Here is the HUGE plus factor going on, Heighway has a great pin, home run theme on its hands and big sales in the future if the numbers can work out for an investor.
Let's hope the "investor" meetings go well.
Deep pockets can fix a lot, look at JJP.
Quoted from Manimal:Ice, I love ya man, but this is how shit gets started. We have no knowledge of "investor meetings" taking place. All Andrew said was there would be an announcement coming. The conclusion regarding an investor is purely conjecture, just like that crazy claim of a new Porsche. Let's just keep our ideas in our own heads and wait to see what the announcement is. If it is what you suspect, then we can all high-five. But we also have to be prepared the announcement may be something totally different.
Come on Manimal, I hear ya brother, just hoping its capital infusion good news because that would be a HUGE announcement and the only one that makes sense unless he's announcing he's partnered with JJP or Stern to manufacture these Alien pins. And that ain't happenin
We would all like to get an Alien pin and see Andrew make it successful. This is just me hoping, the Porsche thing was heresay and I'm glad Andrew cleared it up.
Btw, I hope he can buy 10 porches down the road due to the success of Heighway Pinball!!!!!!
Quoted from Wickerman2:glad you passed it on to the entire interweb to stir things up then
Sure thing, got an answer from Andrew clearing it up, to his credit.
It does as much to put down the naysayers and detractors at the same time to address ALL the hearsay and innuendo.
Games go out, nobody cares.
Been down the road too many times now. You want to bury your head in the sand, feel free.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Point is, "hearsay"? Posting some really personal info loaded with innuendo? Put yourself on the other end of that before you go off with a couple dozen machismo laden posts. "Word has it xxxxx embezzled a bunch of money from his business and was caught with a dead hooker in his hotel room." Oh, WOOOPS, just hearsay....posted on the web, forever, with someone's real name. No biggie. Think before you post.
Big difference between "head in the sand" and actively passing on false information and character assassination. That's low class.
What a crock of BS.
I'm not gonna let some comment, which Pinside is all about heresay and innuendo, deflect from the reality of the situation.
I said he was smart to clear it up and he did but truthfully i don't give a F about a car.
It's everything else, get it?
Now, he said have a little more "patience", so that is the ONLY choice because nobody is getting refunds and games are just trickling out due to a LACK OF FUNDS.
That ^^^^^^ is my opinion and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's been going on for quite some time.
Quoted from Wickerman2:That's 100%(maybe 95%) accurate based on the information we have. That's also very different than posting some horseshit about a luxury car that you have no clue about with the ONLY intent to stir shit up and attack someone's character. We'll agree to disagree about that bit.
I think there's a middle ground between going hysterically negative for 2 days straight and putting your head in the sand. Being constructively critical and asking questions seems fair, just passing along every unfiltered theory that pops in your gourd may not be the best idea. This is still America and you can do what you want though.
Anyway, it's a pinball game a bunch of rich guys ordered, we're not cracking the codes to North Korea's nukes. Hopefully things work out on both those fronts.
My INTENT, was to get some communication going and find out what the FACTS are:
1) Poor Customer Service, factual
2) People fighting to get a refund, factual
3) Delay after delay, lie after lie by Andrew, factual
Andrew has the ability to fix things and there are ZERO excuses, its all on him to deliver the pinball machines that he took our $$$ for.
The result is we now have some communication after total radio silence.
Patience is the only option now so i hope we get good news.
The DP and JPOP situation went way too long before any help could fix things. Ask for the help, people are very forgiving if you are up front and honest about your situation.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Noted. Happy Memorial Day. Let's remember the guys that sacrificed so much so we can piss and moan about not getting our $8000 toys fast enough!
Amen to that brother!
Happy Memorial Day to everybody and its good to put life in perspective with what his day is all about. We shouldn't be fighting with each other anyhow.
Yes Jeff, I asked for a Weekly state of affairs update a while back
During the Jpop fiasco Frolic and I both were criticized for speaking out against the greatness that was Jpop initially after all the delays and lies
"You have to treat JOHN with kid gloves or he won't respond or talk to you"
Sorry but been down that road before
What JOHN did was continue to take deposits, lying about the status of everything, simply to continue to fund his lifestyle
I'm not implying Heighway is anywhere near that. We will find out soon with a "little more patience "
But if you guys want to direct your anger at me instead of holding Andrew accountable, go ahead, I don't care
There is a lot of every man for himself on Pinside. Also a lot of great people willing to help
In other words, please don't rock the boat because Andrew said I'm about to get MY game, and once I get mine THEN I don't care wtf happens
Yet, even after the fact so many are experiencing issues with their pins
Looking forward to a big update and investor for Andrew so EVERYBODY can win here
Quoted from Roostking:If you have been down that road many times, its time to look in the mirror, instead of stirring the pot when games are being made and shipped.
Exactly wrong, seeking the truth and answers after all this time is exactly what is needed. Has ZERO to do with stirring the pot.
Meanwhile, has anybody seen POTC, seems to be getting decent audience reviews?
Quoted from Manimal:but that DOES NOT mean we get to tell Andrew or anyone else what to do. Put yourself in his shoes....with the shitshow this has become, would any of you respond if you were him? Really?
Sorry Manimal but i totally 1000% disagree. That's ok, no biggie.
If I or any other business owner treated our PAID clients or prospective clients this way I'd be out of business so fast it would make your head spin.
This is pinball though so for some reason, people seem afraid to confront the truth. And it's not just Andrew, its Stern, JJP and everybody else except for possibly Spooky.
See little ole Spooky for how to treat a customer and being honest and upfront and setting EXPECTATIONS properly!
And I respect Andrew for acknowledging the deficiencies and hopefully is able to move forward and do great things.
As a Woz customer from day one, Jpop customer from day one and Alien customer from day one, my PATIENCE meter is still ok. Life is too short and plenty of other pins to play in the meantime.
Quoted from Chambahz:You can do what? Be 100% honest? Basically announce to everyone that you're out of cash, and watch as they all demand refunds, immediately forcing you into bankruptcy, before the deal has time to close?
People are already demanding refunds. So F yeah, be honest about it. Why? Because you don't want the next guy coming along who has ZERO clue as to what is going on to fully fund a pin without all of the INFO.
That's the kind of BS that i hated with Jpop.
It's ALL, 100% on Andrew.
Make the pins and he's a hero for delivering something awesome. Bottom line, period end of story.
All he has to say is the following:
"I am working on an investor to help fully fund this project and make our company viable for many years into the future"
The guy has a great pin that actually plays, not some major POS after the fact Jpop box of lights.
The reality is NOBODY is getting a refund without a credit card dispute or paypal.
This hobby can be the greatest of times and the absolute F ing worst of times.
I will get "Back in the Saddle" and go try and find Suki Jones
Quoted from Manimal:and you can't say you wouldn't, you have far too many posts on this forum for anyone to believe you! lol
I'm not sure wtf you are talking about right now manchild and i don't know if i believe myself on anything other than i love pinball!
Btw, its a 2000% given that regardless of planes, trains and automobiles, Heighway pinball is insolvent
And THAT i will stand by Captain Dan!
The worst offense so far is the neglect to support the pins already sold.
Quoted from Manimal:It's all good....I agree with ICE more than not....we are just passing the time and taking you all along on the ride! lol
Manimal is one of my favorite dudes on here!
Quoted from Wickerman2:8 hours later and.....you're still at it!!??!
Don't go to sleep yet Wicker!
It's just an interval after a LONG day.
Our brother Andrew better still love it while we actually CARE.
When nobody gives a shit as to what is coming or not, that is when he really better start worrying.
I'll tell you what Hilton, I'm on ASLE and hitting the Brewskies in between and loving pinball my man.
No Doobies BUT its all good.
Yes, Colonel Klank, I'm ok with Andrew giving me my game last! Sargent Schlutz sees nothing and hears nothing.
Quoted from kklank:Haha! You crazy bastage.
ASLE is surprisingly a fun game. I was playing it as well. But let's stay on topic.
I'm deferring all my future posts to Manimal and signing a POA. Illinois short form of course.
Manimal is a good voice of reason on this thread.
Well I think he's former Law enforcement so I agree, an excellent voice of reason.
Well is it really any surprise?
I agree that somehow Alien gets produced because its a great theme and pin but its not gonna be by Heighway pinball I don't think.
At least we will know one way or the other soon enough.
Quoted from Sonny_Jim:They all use different software, cabinets, mechanics, wiring, development and marketing strategies. How would that even work?
That is why I don't see how the F Alien is going to really get finished BUT then again, I'm an optimist until the bitter end.
Quoted from wcbrandes:Again I don't think your right. Dougie correct me if I'm wrong, you started a certain JPOP thread, asked the Mods to close it down and were denied? The Mods I believe have the ability to assess the thread and decide whether or not to close it down based on the benefits or lack thereof to the general Pinside community.
Yeah Xerico asked me a long while back if I wanted to close the Jpop thread and I think I wavered but they came back and said Mods thought it would be better to preserve and leave it open to document the history and the fact that the story wasn't over.
I'm glad they did Billy!
Alien thread needs to stay open imho
When they ship games it won't matter and we might actually get a happy ending
Quoted from DCFAN:Has this already been posted?
http://www.pinballnews.com/news/heighwayexit.html
I don't put Andrew in the same class as Jpop.
John was a fraud from almost day one with ZERO ability to ever deliver a game
He did a really good job hiding it for quite a while and was riding the wave of a pinball resurgence and hype
Andrew built 2 pins. Much more than a box of blinking lights
That's why the "investors" see opportunity to develop what has started much further
Who knows whether it will succeed or not. With enough money it will, see JJP
Either way, it hasn't ended up like a lot of people thought. People that have paid for an Alien game are now more likely than not going to get one.
That is a GREAT thing.
Clearly Andrew was drowning for a long time. When the request for production payments were made and people like myself didn't send them in, it was pretty much game over, especially after expo
I'm sure he hoped to onesy twosy it and it just became too much
As for the "ramp" lies, surely anybody that was paying attention knew that was a joke
What would have Jack at JJP done? What did he do and say to limp along? I am glad they survived
I happy for everybody that Heighway pinball has survived for now and I feel sorry for Andrew in a lot of ways despite how it went down
Quoted from bigdaddy07:This would be a good start. It's an $800 option and it just doesn't look right to me for this game, and actually junks up the ramps a bit. I like all the other options.
Yes get rid of that, looks like shit and who cares.
JJP survived and this theme blows away anything they have come up with.
Woz, Hobbit, Dialed In or Aliens? Not even a fair comparison. And for the toy junkies its jammed with more crap than any of those pins.
Quoted from flippersandballs:I've played Alien. It's not that great. Dialed In! is actually a lot more fun.
You are "Off topic" but the theme sucks, sorry
Quoted from flippersandballs:I'm not crazy about the theme either. DI just pays better than Alien.
I don't have an opinion since I've not played either. You may be right, but I would own one of them, Alien, and play the other on location
I've had an LE down payment from day one.
I see the recent comments but its confusing. What exactly is the revised price now for original buyers without the fiber optic ramps?
Quoted from PACMAN:I asked them that, they said NOPE! Would have to buy an SE at CURRENT pricing.
Well that is NOT gonna fly.
We don't wait years with deposit $$$ down from day one and then have the original deal changed on us without doing something to make up for it.
Now i get the fact that we are able to get our games from these guys that bailed Andrew out and that's great BUT I just need to know now what is option A versus option B.
Then i'll decide on whether or not to just get a refund of down payment.
Just clarify things so we can make an educated decision of what to do.
Quoted from TimeBandit:The best way to alleviate Alien Delivery Syndrome is precisely to go out and get another game, or two. Since I ordered Alien I have taken in eight machines, and five of those since I paid in full. I am completely desensitized to the whole thing and will just be stoked when it shows up.
I have become.. comfortably numb.
Me too. I've gotten six games myself during the initial launch and down payment
If you aren't comfortably numb yet have a few drinks as well to get you there
What a dope GreenH is
He hasn't even played the pin
to all of the BS
How did Kaneda slip through again?
He equates HP with that garbage he bought
Quoted from Roostking:Did you, or did you not flip MG?
See above post
And then see ebay listing
He can't help himself with Alien, wouldn't even reply to GreenAlien
Quoted from spfxted:The turning point for Heighway is when they issue all the requested refunds, get people the service and parts they were promised and communicate better.
How about a little credit for step 1?
When r u getting your game ?
Quoted from Toads:Credit given when credit is due.
Like shipping and delivering pins? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Some people will always whine, bitch and complain, no matter what, regardless of whether they are involved or not.
Quoted from PinballRulez:Easy to say. Some people are waiting for refunds for months now. Their frustration largely overrules the feeling of joy of seeing Alien pins being shipped.
Some early adapters do not getting the support they need to get a full functional game.
Yes, maybe 2 dozens of Alien pins have shipped. Do you really think Heighway is ready for mass production?
Each step and progression is a good thing.
At least pins are shipping. Wtf
MUCH better than having SQUAT!
I am an "early adopter" and still don't have my pin so F it, if people have to wait a little while that's how it goes.
We just got a code update on BM66, had to wait a year.
So yeah, I'd say chill out and look at the glass half full. You especially Jeff.
Quoted from PinballRulez:I get your point, but you cannot ignore the context and that is there are more customers than only new ones. Yes the new ones must keep the cash flow going but you cannot ignore the 'old' customer base. Leaving them in the cold, not communicating with them or communicating and keep breaking promises is not the way to go. And yes, that is also part of the glass. Enjoy the weekend
100% agree with you. Communication is a great thing and obviously they are lacking in that dept right now and it certainly doesn’t help or inspire confidence in new buyers
That 1/2 of the glass ain’t too good BUT pins going out is a great sign and I feel good about where this will end up. Growing pains
In other words, I feel MUCH better about Alien versus my Jpop experience. I’ll get my pin
Everybody have a great weekend!
Quoted from MK6PIN:My take they would be shipped in direct relation to order date.....My LE"#" is 212, to match my TRONLE, but order was placed the first week it was announced.
If " new money" LE's are delivered before existing customers, suspect many, many more refunds will be requested. They've gotta do the right thing here....Christmas around the corner, we shall see....
Anxious to see how this works out too. I'm right there with you Mark, first week adopter, many years ago.
Quoted from MK6PIN:Order date - 10/21/2014.....the good ole days...talk of loaded goodie bags, gloss cabs, amazing features, crazy excitement.....yes, it's time.....just wanting a blue LE game now......crazy...best news for me....I only owe $6k for a "fully loaded" LE...guess time = money saved, and I'm thankful for the new Heighway for saving this machine....
Just looked at my order. 10/17/2014! It's been a journey for sure and not just on Alien.
Green is out for me too Mark. With AFMRLE and GBLE i'm greened out right now.
Like we talked about I'll probably go blue too except it reminds me of my RS now!!
I've been in with a deposit since Page 1 of this 392 page thread. See my ridiculous comments then. That def qualifies as "old money".
They have us by the balls, no doubt about it, not a thing "old money" can do about it.
However, if they plan on making another pinball machine in the future then i think they will find out that karma is a bitch.
TPF is right around the corner and at least we get to address them face to face.
Quoted from bemmett:I'll say it, I received direct communication from Heighway admitting they were sending orders out for new money and admitting I was one of the first in line and paid for an original LE. Weird thing is I don't have an LE and am not in these ones going out. The usual apologizing and hopefully they'd be sending "private" orders soon is all I got. I'll at least give them credit for flat out admitting they were filling new/other orders for money, at the end of the day I just want my game and want to be given some benefit for having paid first. Here's to hoping this is a positive sign of some games(LEs) actually going out and more to follow soon.
Yeah i'm in the same F ing boat too.
While its total BS it is what it is and nothing we can do about it except remember how we were treated down the road when the next pin comes out.
Quoted from rubberducks:IMO unless they're revealing a new machine, they should stay away.
There've been a lot of costs since the takeover.
Until they have a new product to announce and sell, they're wise to avoid expensive, disruptive travel & show attendance.
Better they focus all resources on satisfying the victims of the previous regime, any new Alien orders via distributors, and development of the new machine.
Yep, still a totally F ed up situation. No Cointaker container yet, no surprise.
People getting parts with no instructions? No surprise.
Myself being a first responder order and deposit without jack shit, no surprise.
Honestly, why they thought they could revive this thing the way Andrew left it is beyond me. especially after I'm grabbing my ankles waiting for the "newbies" to get their pin
At this point, I would rather eat my deposit than pay the remaining balance due for some half ass deal, especially after I'm grabbing my ankles waiting for the "newbies" to get their pin.
I don't care wtf it plays like. They have a LONG ways to go before they can even think about announcing game #2? Is that a joke?
The ongoing BS is amazing and hard to take.
My patience meter is on zero now.
I'm launching emails every day until i get a reply from these guys.
And will bombard them here until we get some answers.
Quoted from Zennmaster:Hunh. She called and I paid at the end of last June...
Still no Alien in my game room.
I'm not complaining, but there isn't exactly a direct relationship between payment and delivery a couple weeks later.
I guess its who complains the loudest.
They jumped into the situation to make a buck. Just like Jpop and the Zombie "Cointaker edition".
No problem, good for them but the guys that took over Heighway just need to ship the F ing pins that people paid for in a somewhat FAIR manner if they want a company in the future. Or NOT.
Pay last June? I paid 4 years ago.
I really don't even want the pin until they get their shit together. Does anybody really think that Cointaker can head out overseas to make sure they deliver on their promises and service what they have? The service is GARBAGE and the QC is spotty. The whole thing is a cluster F.
Heighway pinball is being short sighted here and it will cost them big time.
I have had a deposit for 4 yrs and they can take that $$$ and shove it up their asses as far as I'm concerned. I'm not gonna be held hostage by them or Cointaker.
UPDATE:
Received reply from Morgan right away. Very encouraging email.
They are working towards satisfying both the Cointaker shipment AND "early private buyers". What that means exactly will be communicated "shortly".
Quoted from spfxted:The Cointaker shipment is fine and on the way?
Not sure its actually "on its way" yet
Quoted from bemmett:Let me preface this update with I received this almost identical update about early private buyers about 3-4 weeks ago(I'm guessing their new standard answer to questions regarding it) and made me feel better at the time but that wore off quickly. No new information since then obviously, here's to hoping "shortly" will be soon and this isn't just them pushing off people again with same BS stock answers but I'm not holding my breath for anything Heighway related.
Oh we both know BS walks and pin delivery talks, and i'm sure they are trying to deliver as many LE's as possible on this next shipment so I'm just viewing this part as at least some acknowledgment that they are considering us "early private buyers" along with Cointaker.
Well i didn't get an email
The whole thing is a shit show from day one.
Why does Cointaker find itself in the middle of fiascos like this and Jpop? I don't get it.
Well I just got “the email” this am asking if I want to pay in full and grab an LE that somebody else wasn’t taking
Credit card possibility. Appears to be next leg in trying to stay afloat
Is the Cointaker container lost at sea?
Quoted from bigdaddy07:This is mostly likely the Cointaker one. Mine is supposed to be on it. I paid my remaining balance with CC, which gives me some comfort. That was basically Cointaker being understanding to us jittery buyers and waving the fees. I honesty do think there are LEs getting ready to be delivered within the next 2 weeks (there are others that will disagree and rightfully so), my BIG concern at this point is if my game will be intact when I get it.
So BigD you think they are offering up a pin(s) that are already part of the "Cointaker container" to us early deposit guys?
Quoted from Pale_Purple:I don't think the container has been confirmed as shipped to CT, just that it is supposed to. Well a lot was supposed to happen by now. Has anyone heard from HW or CT that the container has for sure shipped?
I thought Cointaker was asking for final payment weeks ago as if the container had shipped or was about to ship.
Have not heard back yet from Morgan on my response to their offer.
Quoted from bigdaddy07:I was told the ship with the LEs sunk, but they are preparing a new shipment right now should be ready in a few more weeks.
Just kidding. I spoke with Melissa last week, she did not have any idea if the shipment had even gone out yet. Said something about delays due to trim color choices. I'll have to admit I was slightly put off by the fact that she had not followed up on the status of the shipping container that was supposed to have gone out three weeks ago.
"Delays due to trim color". Lol, that's a good one CT!
When you are asking for and receiving payments one would think they would be all over the "status" of the shipping container.
Yes its a "dumpster fire" NPO, BUT it would be much worse if Alien had just gone under. Or would it?
Quoted from Pale_Purple:Interesting as multiple people here were told by CT to pay up and games would be shipping soon 4-6 weeks ago
It’s because they put their faith in these guys like they did with Jpop. Why do business with crappers? And to make a buck off new buyers that would be there anyhow if the current group had their shit together. They don’t and they suck.
I’m sure that’s why I got the email from Heighway asking if I wanted to complete my 2014 order when a green LE became “available”
I seriously don’t give a F if I ever see a pin. At this point here’s 2 middle fingers for Andrew and his hydrofoil
Well, in some respects its good to finally stick a fork in this shitshow. It's the last of the old pre pays to go down.
Everybody can just move on now and close this ugly chapter in the book of pinball failure.
It sucks that good people got hurt and a lot of us lost $$$.
Have a drink or three and just "bury the dead, all they do is stink up the joint" Coughlin's law.
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:Dutch Pinball isn't a slam dunk just yet... I really hope they succeed.
Ahhh yes, forgot about the Dutchies. Didn't they get some investor recently?
Deeproot has deep investor $$. No pre pay
Quoted from PoMC:Kind of sad you had to point out the obvious after all this Alien nonsense.
He floats back in to shove it up our arses like anybody cares what he thinks.
The real loser is whomever he sold that TBL too.
Yes Alien is POS. Onward and upward. Life goes on.
Quoted from Rarehero:I’ve been calling out Alien as a basket of lies and failures since Expo 2014. I knew Andrew’s lie about delivery in April 2015 was a lie, and was plenty vocal about it. It was clear they were in trouble when they said they’d make 3-4 titles a year & didn’t announce or release shit year after year of Alien delays. I knew they’d never get anything done when they kept fiddling with features and screen and trim options instead of just committing to something and manufacturing it. Every move was a transparent ploy to keep getting more pre-order money. Obvious from that 2014 Expo.
Did you call out the Dutch A holes? So transparent.
Quoted from sd_tom:yes he did
Yep, WAY after the fact. Years.
No need to preach to the choir Captain Obvious is what we ALL know.
He should re read the 24k post Jpop thread, either way, I don't give a F what he thinks now.
Has zip, zilch, nada in these games. Just stirring up a bunch of shit after going dark for months.
Just call the K and express it on the podcast
“It's the taking of future money when you KNOW the future is not possible where the scummy and illegal portion happens. Which I think everyone agrees - happened here Both mismanagement and deception.”
Which is exactly what Jpop did with AIW
Quoted from Dano:I Hope everyone that took it from Andrew does as well. I've been lied to by everyone in charge pre and post takeover and never got my refund for a fully paid machine. They're all crooks to me at this point.
Of course they are. Write it off and move on.
Quoted from Dano:Don't have much of a choice.
I get it. I dropped $1500 in 2014 on a deposit.
Live and learn, I figured this was going down the toilet years ago.
Wasn't going to pay a dime on the recent "container shipments" anyhow that Cointaker tried to facilitate.
The whole crew are a bunch of DB's and way past time to flush that turd.
Ever seen a business fail? Is it shocking?
It blows but it happens all the time.
That's why bankruptcy lawyers have a job.
Look at Jpop. Same transfer of assets with MG in violation of creditor laws and fraudulent conveyancing.
Amazing.
As the title says, game over.
Kman is the only one left who cares What a chump for wasting all that hot air BS. Actually I like schmuck better
Maybe read another podcast interview with Amanda How can life be that shallow? It's kind of sad really.
Well, Cointaker needs to get off these M fers like Jpop, Andrew and Dutch.
Well mine lands tomorrow from Houston! Prob pick it up Saturday.
I give a blow by blow analysis. The good, bad and the ugly.
Picked mine up today, in the back of my truck.
Thanks to Jvspin, avoided customs broker, just took paperwork over to customs, got it stamped and boom boom.
Box is in great shape so hopefully the game is too. The opening happens tonight!
Thanks Wayne!
Quoted from Damonator:I was lucky enough to get an LE from Wayne and I’ve simply been blown away with the entire package. It’s got as much wow factor, polish, fit and finish as the two JJPs that I own. It really came a LONG way from when I played it a year earlier.
Ditto that. Just got mine set up last night
Built like a tank and surprised at the high quality.
It’s gorgeous. Sound and video are worth price alone
Huge props and thanks to Ferret and crew for making the code great!
Along with David Thiel, Aurich etc
Quoted from jonesjb:I'd say that about 20% of the 100-200 pins sold were were bought by people on Pinside or had a separate preorder. Also, I understand that many (not all) of these people bought from the secondary market, meaning they were sold to someone not in on the preorder, who jumped into the queue and just resold (potentially pumping for profit).
Same thing happened with MG and Jpop
Raza, AIW and American Pinball funded those pins. I was right there too
I had a deposit on Alien from day one. It sucks they went down for everybody’s sake
Does anybody know where the infamous "screw" is located?
"For me it was the screw. would not even calibrate correctly.
then turned the screw with a jewelers screwdriver and then it would extend but wouldn't retract (magnet too strong on field).
then turned the screw with a jewelers screwdriver and then it would retract, but wouldn't drop the ball.
Turned the screw clockwise more and now it drops the ball."
Xeno boards? Can't see it.
Quoted from J85M:Didn’t realise you had finally gotten your Alien Ice I must have missed that, did you get your LE in the end or a SE?
Got the LE Jon, LOVE it, just needs a little Xeno tweak with the "screw", wherever it is!
It's a fantastic pin!!!
Quoted from adamross:I'm having similar issues with the Xeno tongue, in the test it extends but then I get a switch error.
Go to the two Xeno boards on the back board of the PF
I took off the one on the left as you are looking back to the front of the pin.
It was easier to get at the silver tiny screw that way.
I used a tiny Phillips head to turn the screw a couple of what felt like quarter clockwise turns
Works great now
Also look at the switch on that board that stays depressed against the back board to make sure it’s situated properly.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:sorry man...sometimes you dip into one of these long ass threads and can't help but read the first page...
I'm sure I've written plenty of stuff that would make me an idiot but I usually avoid doing it on the front page of a thread that's going to be around for years.
Just don't dip into my Jpop thread and read back some of that old shit!!!
Embarassing
Quoted from TimeBandit:I just ordered a lifetime supply of LED boards. I will be making them up and sending them out to Alien owners at component cost plus shipping. I imagine if everyone took a pack of 8 then we would all be good for a while.
They will be about a dollar each I think.
i love you man!!!!!!!
you need to put an upcharge on these, i'll happily pay whatever
i'll take 2 8 packs if you can spare them.
Quoted from jq-pinner77:contacted the previous owner , he says xeno was working perfect , game was shipped upright in a crate ,[nice job and well packed] when I got the game the head was detached and laying next to the unit, I loosened the small screw on either side and reatached the head , now getting the exetend error message , any help would be appreciated
Jim
Try this, worked for me. What is the tongue doing? Anything?
'Go to the two Xeno boards on the back board of the PF
I took off the one on the left as you are looking back to the front of the pin.
It was easier to get at the silver tiny screw that way.
I used a tiny Phillips head to turn the screw a couple of what felt like quarter clockwise turns
Works great now
Also look at the switch on that board that stays depressed against the back board to make sure it’s situated properly."
Quoted from jq-pinner77:yes ,I got the tounge to come out but it will not retract properly, very weird , the switch appears to be working , the jaw does work ok . so the toungue will come out and grab the ball but then will not retract
Mine did the exact same thing.
A couple quarter turns of the screw i'm talking about will fix the problem. See what i wrote above.
It’s on the left edge of the sub board layered on top of main board on the left
You can see the tiny silver screw
Un screw the board itself so you can get at that little screw better
Take one of those micro Phillips head screwdrivers and you will feel the tip snug in there. Turn clockwise a couple of 1/4 turns
It strengthens the step motor somehow and problem solved
Quoted from adamross:Thanks very much, located the screw and tightened it, it was indeed loose. But sadly I'm still getting the extend error
Tighten it again a few more 1/4 turns until it works.
Quoted from TimeBandit:Replacement LED boards are in production. Should be available from tomorrow.
That's awesome!
Quoted from Kneissl:I'll try and do one in the next few days
Thx! This pin is AWESOME. Love the community
And possibly my favorite pin ever.
Every time I play this pin and see something new I just can’t believe how these guys didn’t get this pin over the finish line into mass production. So close
The fun factor is off the charts and that’s why I play pinball ladies!
Ordered some Carbon steel AND Ninja Chrome from Ball Baron
He claims the Ninjas might magnetize after +100 plays or not
Now I don’t know which batch is which! Any way to tell the difference? Look the same
Quoted from MK6PIN:Ninjas will magnetize in Alien....Wipe the oil off one out of each of the bags...Ninja has a different, shiner look to it. Not as dramatic as some might claim, but you can see it...
Ahhhhh.. thx Mark!
Quoted from TomDK:News from the plastics:
My friend was on my place today with a full set of plastics. They are still on testmaterial for costs reasons. The print is like on vivak but the lasered edges will become better on original Vivak. However .. this plastics are looking way way better than original.
Little showstopper: The templates we are working with are from a very earlie machine. We swapped today slingshots, some small plastics and tryed the ramps. there are several differences in the plastics. Example: The production end of the right and left ramp are with an extra post where the ball drops to the playfield. There is a rubbersleeve to stop the ball and let it fall on the playfield. Our template was without that rubber. Also the first version of plasticramps were designed to be mounted with a hexpost to the upper post from the slingshots, this was changed in production for any reason.
The plastic left top in the corner is other than our template. We can see that they had many many problems with the plstics fitting in the game in the beginning. We will make the left top plastic like prototype with print on it .. looks better.
So we are trying to sort all this differences out before making one batch. Due to costs we might be offer 2 sets: A full set and one with all expect the ramps. There are hell lot of plastics in Alien.
So I will swap some more plastics the next days, my buddy will fix the small problems we figured out so far.
Some pics ...
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Awesome. I’m in for a full set
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:In for a set.
Anybody thinking about making the facehuggers for slings? How hard is it to swap in a new one?
You can order them from Freeplay.
Just received a new set along with full Xeno mech.
Quoted from TimeBandit:Will be up on my website in a few hours.
http://redshiftled.com.au/Store.php#!/Alien-Sling-Spot-upgrade/p/117030205/category=31425757
About 25 bucks (US) for the set.
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Thanks again for doing these! Just ordered mine.
The people worldwide that are kicking F ing ass on this pin and the Alien community is AWESOME!
Andrew should have open sourced this venture a long time ago. Love this game!
Quoted from Ferret:If I remember correctly, there is 27 minutes of video content in Alien, most of it from the movies. If that’s not enough movie content for anyone, I recommend the DVDs.
I mean its freaking AWESOME!
The video content and sound package is absolutely AMAZING.
It literally blows away every other pinball machine out there.
Quoted from jonesjb:Well that’s literarily just not true.
It actually is true. Get yourself one.
Quoted from jonesjb:You’re using ‘literally’ wrong.
I acknowledge my spelling of ‘literally’ in my earlier post had a typo.
Lol
Quoted from jonesjb:But seriously. I played Alien twice, and agree that the sound audio (and lots other aspects like the rules, scoring, etc) is exceptional. I was in on one with a preorder, but as you can see I only own a Shadow, and no Alien... so we know how that turned out
Man i was with you on a pre order too. Long time from day one. Hard to believe that in its final state they couldn't get this across the finish line and sell a ton of these.
Sorry you lost out like so many.
Playing this game in the dark is some of the best 10-15 minutes of pinball fun out there. Period! This F ing game is awesome.
Quoted from jonesjb:Are these playing relatively trouble free?
Had basically zero issues with mine. Love it.
Quoted from Roostking:I havent seen the game in real life, obviously never played it, but I can only imagine how badass it would be in a dark room when the beacons go off. Total immersion..
With that said, if anybody has one in and around Phoenix, I'd love to check it out!!
Maybe the most “badass” pinball experience ever
Not kidding
Quoted from Oneangrymo:Hey man thanks for the reply, yes that seems to be the problem, if I don't move the rubber band it says "active" if I move the rubber band free up that leaf switch it goes "inactive". maybe that leaf switch needs to be replaced?? Where do I even find one? I have never worked on a sling before
THanks!
While you are waiting for the Leaf adjuster just do it with your fingers. My left switch had the same firing issue. Open it up a bit so its not making constant contact
Quoted from delt31:On the pic below, the board on the left, I bought an extra on of these but there is no chip attached in the black pins. Is that chip imperative to have?
The second pic shows the one I bought - no chip thought from pinball life:
The chip plugs into the board you have there Delt.
How many people would be in for a full petg plastic set?
I missed the last free play notice.
I've got the files to get some made if its feasible economically.
Quoted from Pale_Purple:I’d probably be in, how much are you thinking?
Not sure what it would be
Free play had them at 247 euro
Quoted from luvthatapex2:Nice looking game. Hope you get your issue fixed. But the question is who updated the software in Feb 2019? I thought the programmers moved on to other projects outside of pinballbrothers/heighway.
"In the system menu is the Build date 16/02/2019.
SW Version 1.3B3"
Once again......
I realize people can be slow on the uptake but......
There is a programmer working on the code (from the prior effort, not Ferret) for the NEW game coming out and being re-introduced.
Like Ted said, tick tock...
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:What is wrong with the old code? It’s the best part of Alien classic after audio and video. Maybe it only runs for furry rodents. If PB is redoing software too, they’re better off starting the game from scratch. Get rid of legacy systems and bring us a new Alien game. Maybe even sign Sigourney Weaver this go round.
The old code is great. Just getting better
Bally parts and reworked mechs etc
Quoted from Oneangrymo:U mean a new alien pin Announcement right after Christmas story on tnt ?
LOL, yeah prob before that. Xmas story starts running right after Halloween.
Quoted from Maurice:did you get it used or NIB Alien LE?
Just curious
It’s a NIB LE green. Very lucky to get this one of the last ones.
I got one of the last NIB LE greens, love it. And will probably get the new version coming soon.
Quoted from Oneangrymo:I’ve been waiting since u posted about this nearly one year ago
Well you don't have to wait much longer now. I'm not making them myself.
Quoted from Oneangrymo:What r u going to do with ur green le?
Keeping my Green le but getting another one for different location
“Shut it” Dung? I don’t give a flying F what you think. The evidence will be the game and then you can stfu.
Omg people need to stop talking about TBL Dunger, oh yeah nvm, that happened before this didn’t it
Quoted from dung:The game that has been just around the corner for months on end? So confident you just bought one? Makes total sense when the new one would have been cheaper.
Start drinking your own Kool aid. Till then keep on topic or start your own thread.
I bought mine a year ago from Australia. Obviously i didn't know then, DUH
It's on topic Dunger. It's called ALIEN PINBALL! LOL
Some people that bought one or want one might want a little info.
Now, put your $$$ where your big mouth is. Let's put up a little wager? No F ing chance you'd do it because you don't know shit or "DUNG" for that matter
Quoted from RTS:Okay, if you're willing to make a bet, specifically when will the remake be available?
If you can't provide an actual date, then you will never lose the bet.
Oh i'll make a date on announcement. I'll take bets on before year end.
You have two options, 1) Drinks at TPF or 2) $1k minimum bet
Quoted from dung:Thing is he wont put a date on it. Its gotta br somrwhat nebulous so he can wiggle out. Anyone want to dig up the kaneda thread?
Anyone got a drink around here? Too bored with this inane bs to deal with reading anymore of it sober.
Dig it up Dungy. Have a drink and then think about TBL in that same thread.
Read my post above. What is it about Dec 31 that you don’t get?
That’s ok buddy, save your money and have a few a drinks instead. But...I’ll take it if you’d like
Look, it ain’t gonna be cheap, but for those that wanted an Alien pin it’s gonna be fantastic because it’s a great pinball machine
Quoted from JoinTheCirqus:Ok, I’m just curious. Exactly who is going to remake this pin? All I’ve heard is difficult hurdles to overcome for this to happen.
Are you familiar with Pinball Brothers?
Making pinball is not easy apparently
Quoted from RTS:I read it.
You still don't give a date when the remake will be made.
I'm not the one making it and i really don't give a F when its delivered.
But hey, read my post above
Quoted from RTS:Got it.
You will make a bet that they will be remade, but you don't know when they will be remade because you don't give a F when they will be delivered because you're not the one making it.
And you want to lock in the bet by 12/31 without first stating a date by which they will be remade which is the whole point of making the bet.
Let me be clear. Bet is that they announce it before yr end.
They are already in the process of being "remade".
But for a certain issue it would have already been announced.
Last chance to lose any bets you skeptics want to make. Come on, take a roll of the dice fellas. Naysayers and skeptics, have some faith in your negativity.
Not sure where Borygard is these days but i'm about to collect on that bet.
Ah yes, it's all good, exciting times!
Quoted from Averell:In my opinion it's all nonsens!!!
Time to get your bet down and/or make yourself look foolish. Let's go.
I'll up it to announce AND deliver before year end.
Ohhhhhh, no way that can happen right? Crickets?
It's great that people are going to get to play a fantastic re engineered awesome beautiful Alien pinball machine.
It's gonna be really interesting to see who diverts what other pinball funds to get this game.
Code and callouts are great. Video and sound are the best on any pin I've ever played or owned BY FAR, thanks to David Thiel.
Quoted from neverahighscore:Since I was a early depositer, and was screwed and lied to, I hope this happens so I can finally own a game I always wanted made!
Well you are about to be really happy. I was also an early depositer and lost my $1k deposit with Andrew.
I'm happy for everybody that always wanted an Alien. Get ready to sticker shock i think but hey, Stern and JJP have already cleared those hurdles.
Quoted from JoinTheCirqus:It’s weird dude. I’ve got nothing against you, but you’re kind of gloating, lording over this like you’re holding the golden goose, trying to goad people into betting against you. Just doesn’t feel like a cool thing to be doing IMO.
No dude, I'm not holding shit, just tried to be a nice guy and let people know what was coming way back only to get the typical Pinside treatment, which of course, won't let you be a nice guy.
So take it however the F you want to take it! I'm speaking to THOSE people, smart ass negative know it alls that actually know nothing yet love to shit all over anything positive here. Mocking, bitching and whining about what. The production of a new Alien game is POSITIVE and EXCITING. That's it. LOL
Then again, seeing is believing.
And what are going to ask your friend David about? The huge compliment i gave him? He works for Deeproot
Quoted from Roostking:Ok, so are you saying its the same pin as far as sound is concerned, just in a smaller cab?
I don’t know, honestly
We will ALL know very soon
I let Borygard off the hook for a beer or two on the bet he’s gonna lose but he’s thrilled it’s coming!
It’s just a great pin and I’m happy so many more will get to experience it in home soon
I’m not trying to take peoples money I don’t need. You punch, I punch back
Love the hobby. Don’t love the jackasses
Quoted from Durzel:I also don't really know why you're banging the drum so hard on this. You've pretty much manufactured this sub-plot in this thread all by yourself. As was said above you seem to be getting off on the adversarial and antagonistic nature of it. I'm not sure what you want, really. Is it endless plaudits about how you called it and how you're the Pinball Oracle, etc etc and how we're not worthy? No offence intended, and I have no dog in this fight at all (I don't own an Alien, and am unlikely to be be buying a remake one).
If a new Alien comes out - great, if it doesn't - meh. All this drama manufacturing seems strange when this ought to be a positive thread about keeping discontinued machines running.
I’m getting paid to market it. Lol Yeah my life depends on this rollout
And I guess I just like to hear myself talk and have a little fun and it’s exciting to me
Yes, I will now call myself the “Oracle of Pinball” and channel the “Oracle of Omaha”
Thank you !!!
Come on Dudes, mention Iceman the Oracle of pinball when you go to buy. I need the commission✌️
First beers/drinks on me at TPF as we celebrate fun times
Yes I might have had a few yesterday. Family had a celebration of life with the passing of my 88 yr old father in law yesterday morning. No condolences necessary, a relief and a blessing due to the decline in health.
Tip one for celebrating all the fun and blessings we have in life. I want to be on a positive train and enjoy every last day I’ve got left!!! And loving pinball right now is awesome.
Gonna do a big family pinball tournament this year as part of our Xmas party whether they want it or not! Drinks will flow and fun will be had by all
Alien is a GREAT game. Sound, callouts and immersion are second to none. David Thiel nailed it and coding team did a phenomenal job. My late run LE has had no issues other than tweaking the alien tongue stepper motor.
And yes, Aliens are coming in a standard body......at some point.
Quoted from SunKing:How's this going to work? Are they completely redesigning the playfield? If so, it's not really a re-make of Heighway's Alien. Maybe it's a new Alien themed pin? ...curious.
Not a complete redesign from what i saw. Been a Williams standard body, parts etc for a LONG time.
No center mini LCD screen.
I mean i love my LE beast right now and have one of these on the list IF they ever make it happen.
It will be a F ing shame if it doesn't.
Mark you are da man!
Quoted from Oneangrymo:Make sure your machine is leveled properly, even 1 degree off on mine and then it does this
I’ve stuffed 3 in there before and have the same problem. Now, I just shoot one in there and avoid hitting scoop until it ejects
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