Unless you buy from on-hand stock... long lead times is common in furniture
If you buy a limited availability car.. or 'pre order' from allotments... long wait times are common .. many months. Buy exotics, and its worse
Construction should be obvious...

Pretty much any 'build to order' vendor will include lots of lead time unless it's something mass produced in regular volumes.

This isn't a build to order company, they're broke and selling off everything they can. This company has failed to produce the alien pin beyond prototypes, and will not ship another pinball machine in the future. The company(investors) will auction to the highest bidder all production equipment and assets. Then the company will fold and settle with debtors first, then customers. There will not be any money for "refunds". Best of luck.

You don't know this for sure - how can you? Your predicition (stated as fact) is unnecessary right now and adding further damage.

Who is going to import alien pinball machines now that cointaker has cut all ties? Do YOU think heighway can sell THOUSANDS of games under these circumstances?

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Fair point.

The biggest concern I have comes from my experience in the software industry, where acquisitions, buyouts, mezzanine financing, etc. was the rule of the day. Everything is moving forward while Heighway is standing still. That usually means the value of the assets are depreciating. One need only look at the changes in the market over the past 6 months. New JJP game in production and another rumored on the horizon. A couple of new Stern games available (AS and BM66) and SW just announced. New offerings from Spooky and a new manufacturer (AP) that seems to have a potential winner on its hands. All of this eats away at the value of Alien to the point where it risks becoming a small run collector-only offering. That changes the financials dramatically. Where I have seen things get off the tracks is when things drag out, the owners (shareholders BoD, Sr. mgmt, etc) still believe they have an asset worth X but with the movement of the market, it is now only worth 75% of X. It can be tough to overcome the psychological impact of that reality.

I do hope it works out...it really needs to happen soon or they risk the market getting even further away.

I am not in direct knowledge of anything. These are my opinions, not facts. Takes as you will.

Isn't it expressly against pinside rules to modify quoted material in any manner whatsoever.

Rob

Good you qualified your statements. It's VERY dangerous and risky otherwise.

I would absolutely attempt to get your money back. You can always buy again if they pull through. LEs are not sold out. You're not an investor, you're a customer. And my "opinions" are closer to "facts", legally speaking.

Agreed. It was coming off as fact to me as well.

Maybe try phrasing them as opinions and not facts.

Yet CT is still selling Full Throttle...

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Have a chat with Elon Musk

Probably have a few in stock. When Nitro came to Yegpin, they brought a nib one to sell

It's a strong rumor, nothing has been signed on the dotted line. One thing for sure is that this is an absolute debacle and heighway cannot produce pinball machines on a large scale.

curious, where does this strong rumor you are purporting as fact come from?

Check out kickstarter.com

Yes...that is the one they cannot give away. Has been in their warehouse for ages.

I like everyone else with a deposit down would like to see these games make it through the production line and make their way to their respective homes. all this negative talk isn't going to help that happen. It's just going to take Andrew's attention away from where it needs to be remained focus. would be nice to have some type of updates, even minor ones. I'm honestly not expecting my game till next year some time. If it makes it to me before that, great. if not, well then I'll just keep living life.

think I have 1500 down, I would still be very sad not to receive it if something happened to the company. I'd be even sadder seeing another company fail to come through especially with such an awesome game. You couldn't pay me enough to be in his shoes. Can't imagine the pressure the company is under to produce these games.

You have the ties to Andrew. Youve been his biggest supporter. Same with Skip B.
Why don't you ask Andrew yourself what's going on, and then post when he responds. I'd bet it'll be weeks before he tells you "production has began again". You know where I live, connect the dots.

I'm sad that this story seems to be taking a turn for the worse....Andrew seems like a driven, stand-up guy-NOT a scammer. I still don't think he is, but what my imagination is telling me is that maybe-just maybe-there is a production-type problem with this pin. Maybe a victim of it's own success? Maybe HP has sold too many and they're at a loss on how to produce/ship them? I don't know. Communication is the only gripe I have with this company. Giving out little blurbs about some upcoming announcement or the like just will not cut it anymore. People don't want to be teased, they want to be informed. Anyone who has a stake in this (as do I) has a right to know what the progress, or even LACK of progress is. Anything. But not silence and conjecture. That breeds fear and that fear will get people to drop out and request refunds en masse.
I myself still want to support this project and I will....for 1 more month. If nothing happens by 7/1/2017 then I'm out. Maybe when the pin is actively being shipped and delivered I'll rejoin, but maybe not.

Last thing I'm saying about this. Andrew is a liar. He asked for money, claiming production has started. Where are the games?

Thank you very much.

Where are the games???

Call Cointaker......

This is the UK government link to the company information, including financials:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08087382

I can't bring myself to wade through the fine details because I don't have an economic interest.

Man this situation is synergistically imploding!! More fallout than Fukushima

This guy (insider) seems to think things are moving forward. Is there any reason not to believe this?

This guy is the designer of Full Throttle and co-designer of Aliens so I'd listen to what he says.

I know , just wondering why some seem to be ignoring that post.

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I have ZERO ties to Andrew. i guess that is more rumors floating around in your head that come out reading as facts?
I have been a big supporter of pretty much every new pinball manufacturer. PAy attention and catch up junior, I like pinball... big surprise I guess, lol.

I don't need to contact Andrew. reality is that both he and the designer have been here to tell us things are happening and hold tight and I have no reason to think otherwise, nor will me doing ANYTHING change something for the better by wasting his time.

I damn well won't sit here like you are and make up facts (also putting yourself in a legally reckless position if someone wanted to come after you and it turns out your "facts" do more damage which it clearly is seen as your intent)

I am not sure where we are supposed to go with your insinuation that you living in MI gives you some sort of magic understanding of any reality. Please clarify what you are getting at because your hidden insinuation tries to paint it like some of the more prominent MI pinheads are to blame formthese rumors. might as well just clearly state your claims now.

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When was his last paycheck?

Um, like Frank said, Dave, the designer?

because it breaks pinside rules?

And it's rude. We talked it out in pm so hopefully that's settled.

Then stop stating things in the affirmative as if they were factual.

Funny... before you were practically boasting how you were giving them all this help by relaying your operator feedback, providing them audit dumps, your play videos helping... and got to the front of the line in the first place?

I know squat about this so you may be 100% correct, things certainly don't look good from the outside and lots of rumors (both scary and hopeful) have been going around. But why in the world would you state your opinions as if they were indisputable facts? Does it make you feel important to imply you have inside knowledge, or are you just being reckless?

These are troubling times for Heighway and its customers and I would think some caution is in order. You'll feel like a real ass if you end up steering people wrong, and/or muddy the waters so much with your unsupported statements that people don't heed future warnings that have some basis in fact.

Oh I don't know about that maybe ask Whysnow

I'm going to ask the mods to please lock this thread, it's time to move on.

You'll want to take your discussion here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rebirth-of-heighway-pinball

Whyisnow please for the love of God don't become the no.1 cheerleader for JJP or American Pinball!!

Wow looks like great news for Heighway customers, fresh start hopefully for all those invested with either a Full Throttle and/or a Alien pre order. Happy you guys look like your going to be getting your games soon.

"Hello to all pinball enthusiasts out there, we are active investors in Heighway Pinball Ltd.
There has been a lot of talk, and also silence, over the last few weeks. For this we are sorry but we have not been legally able to reach out to you before now.
We are now happy to announce that we have reached an agreement on how to take over the business and move it forward.
We are all pinball enthusiasts and professional business owners. We are fully committed to making your games and we have the plan and finance in place to make this happen.
We have drawn up a detailed strategy to invest money into the company, both to ensure that machines are built to the highest quality and also to ensure that healthy numbers are shipped as quickly as possible.
The company will have new management, new leadership and new funding to make sure that everyone, who has money at stake, will get their ordered pinball machines.
The budget and business plan for how to make this a success has been carefully drawn up and is about to be put in place.
The transaction is now in progress and legal papers are being drawn up as you read this. We hope you all will bear with us for the next couple of weeks as we get everything in place.
We have had positive talks with our major distributors around the world and we thank them all for their patience and for believing in us.
Together with our suppliers, distributors and you pinball enthusiasts, we can make this happen. Alien is a great game and there are more to follow.
We will keep you updated and communication channels will be opened as soon as we are settled in.
Thank you for your understanding and patience in advance. We understand your frustrations and concerns. All of us investors are in the same boat as you, waiting for their games to be shipped and, after much time spent at the factory, we have taken matters into our own hands to ensure that Heighway Pinball can survive and prosper.
Regards
Investor Group - Heighway Pinball Ltd"

Edit, post deleted nwpinball beat me to it

Cool!