It makes me think a pinball machine isn't really worth the hassle to a licensor . The amount of man hours this must have taken up for Fox is crazy

I think because Predator has done a lot of damage here, but more importantly Fox had always stated that when anything goes public it must be the finished product. So, anytime Heighway wants to show the progress they make they have to get an approval from Fox.

It will be

Predator isn't even a consideration. It damaged pinball as a hobby. It probably bothered Fox about as much as a mosquito (failing to) bite bothers a bull elephant.

As Aurich hinted at in his last post, and I hinted at before, these videos have a short shelf life. By this point the video (from production / shooting) date is already 3 weeks old. If there was a hold up in approval, they probably won't bother showing it now as the machine has likely come on a lot since then. Maybe it still gets shown, but it will be out of date.

Doesn't matter if the video is out of date. It's more current than previous ones that are six+ months old, and interest is high. After showing it, they likely can take and post more informal ones too. We want the video.

I have to disagree on this. Most people want to see the game evolve. If 'old' material is shown that people haven't seen that is always appreciated I think.

And I don't think the game will change from black to white in a few weeks. So this video will be important to show!

It is a video of the prototype. Until now we only have seen a video of the Whitewood. I think people love to see how the game has changed in the meantime. Age of the video is not relevant.

I understand the excitement and optimism here. But why are people assuming this delay is all the fault of the licensor?

Well, we know there was a video submitted to them that Andrew was hoping we'd see by Alien day, and that still hasn't shown up. Whatever the status of the pin is, that video is held up by the licensor for certain.

Because Heighway stated exactly that. The video is completed and was submitted to Fox for approval. Once Fox approves, I think Heighway would release the video to the public almost immediately.

Just because it was submitted doesn't guarantee approval. That's why they have a process.

Because the janitor hasn't gotten around to signing off on it yet. Or maybe he accidentally threw it away.

Imagine a stack of 1000 licensing issues "Fox licensing" is dealing with regarding the Alien property. Where do you think the pinball machine issue is in that stack?

Another way to say it is our "sense of urgency" doesn't match the janitor's "sense of urgency".

Don't show me any video unless it was taken this morning...

The guys have a department just for those issues. Even if the department is full you still have the janitor! so I see no excuse

What you're failing to consider is that Heighway may feel that it's more than just progression, but improvement. If they feel the game now is objectively better than it was several weeks ago, not just further along, they may not want to show the 'old' stuff, and Fox may feel the same way.

Could you guys stop talking about fox and video licensing and please get back on-topic? It's get annoying already!

Really? And go to the approval process again? Making potential customers wait longer. I don't think so.

This video will got to bring back the enthusiasm for Alien. I cannot think of one reason Heighway doesn't want to show this video.

Please enlighten us

Yes, that was obvious no need to explain

Hope Fox will approve the video soon so we can talk about the pin again.

Ok, then you start with something on topic, I would rather keep this thread alive with crap than it dying a slow death with zero info, I'm with ya but man for the first time I'm starting to lose interest, not backing out but need something,

Are you really asking ME among all people???

Kind of feels like we'll be lucky if there is a playable Alien game at Expo this year. Not meaning to be negative, but this has been so slow and there's never been a playable prototype for the public. And then you think about the process after that prototype is first shown. We've been down this road before.

I guess all of this would have been OK if Alien was never announced publicly. We'd be talking about Full Throttle and wondering what the next game was. Hell, for all we know games 3 and 4 are much further along and have had less license impediments. But Alien was announced as game 2 so we've got to ride that out.

hahahahahahaha

E se só para chatear eu começar a escrever em Português contigo?
Só para encher o tópico com ainda mais lixo

The spectacle of this once great thread is well deserved of a company who hasn't delivered on their word many times now....Much respect to Nordman who tried to warn us.

By comparison, look at the TBL thread, its like a morgue even though games have started shipping now.

Very few people seem to even give a crap now, the one's that have paid and are still waiting.

Dutch has "ramped up" to producing 1 pinball machine per week. 250 pins = 250 weeks! Hopefully the "ramp" gets better.

Since Full Throttle is out there and the manufacturing process and crew is FAR superior to what DP has, any idea how many pins Andrew has said he plans to produce per week?

Maybe Andrew can chime in here while we wait for pictures.

I think I better make believe I don't understand any of that.

I haven't had the chance to play Full Throttle yet but it seems to be an amazing game! And ALIENS is a HUGE theme, so that's why this thread is always on fire, even if it gets off-topic once in a while!

O pessoal vai ficar doido!

What do you base this on?

(Edit: Never mind. I don't want to squabble. Believe what you wish).

Si

It was never proved that the Creature from the Black Lagoon was an alien or not, but boy, I wish I didn't follow this thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cftbl-hologram-mod-revival/page/2#post-3143353

In all honesty I was very excited about this title , but due to the delay I have lost interest and will probably look for something else...

...in full disclosure I have not put any $ in, I was planning on purchase as soon as they were available...
Reminds me of what people are experiencing with The Hobbit...

This is why Stern win yet again.

Show nothing, say nothing ( throw the odd bone ) and then boom - it's here. Frenzy stage where everyone is in the 'take my money phase'. Can't beat this.

As opposed to long drawn out processes and we are all onto the next new shiny.

Hobbit, Alien, TBL all suffering really. RZ is sold out so Spooky strategy also works for their business model.

66 new posts of nothin'

Patience people......have we not been through this several times before?
It will come when it comes. In the meantime, buy what you like, play what you like. When Alien is ready, then we can freak out.....

Announcing a pin way before it's complete can be a good strategy for companies that don't have the motor running like Stern.
You catch many costumers that will be willing to wait a little more before buying another pin elsewhere.

I give you my example: I can only afford one expensive pin. After the announcement of Alien I will not buy any $$ pin because I want to see if I want a Alien or not, because I love the theme. I'm just waiting to see how it is when completed to decide. If it's good I will buy it, and in the meantime I will not buy any new Stern.
If Alien wasn't announced, I would have probably bought another one and couldn't get Alien on its release..

Honestly, as it's been this long now, I think it's the right decision on their part both for the sake of the IP and the success of the machine in pinball. A relatively small number of people in the pinball world keep any real eye on this, but far more will take notice of a great looking completed game than something still being prototyped - even if the latter looks good, they'll assume it won't be delivered for ages.

See you in Denver!

Thanks Andrew.

The "lost interest" argument because of a perceived delay...I blame our instant gratification/ADD culture. We're not getting our super expensive toys fast enough damn it!

Now prepare for a lot of "thanks for the update" posts....

Thanks for the update.

Guess I will check back in 3 months.

At least we have (a realistic) timeline now. Talk with you fans in August/September when I check back in. Going to go enjoy summer and bide a little time with my new (to me) X-men and SM. Summers are too short in Canada to spend playing pinball in the basement anyway and by late fall I am usually looking forward to pinball, hockey and a pint of cold Guinness (as its not really a summer beer for me).

Keep on flipping folks!

thanks for the preparation

time to do an Aurich and re visit this thread in mid August then it dosent sour. Heighway unticked on my forum options should do the trick

I hope SFGE is one of the shows

Better brace for a four month hiatus - that gets you to mid Sep. Certainly it should be viewable then, right?