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AI has no concept of real pinball...

By StoneyCreek

32 days ago


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    #1 32 days ago

    what is the best pinball machine to buy for the money

    Copilot
    When it comes to finding the best pinball machine for the money, it’s important to consider both quality and value. According to a recent article from The Family Handyman, here are some top-rated options that offer a great balance of features and cost:

    Best Overall: Arcade1Up Attack From Mars Pinball1. It’s a digital pinball machine that offers 10 classic pinball themes and has features like a working plunger, haptic flipper buttons with feedback, and tilt and nudge capabilities. It’s also easy to assemble and has adjustable legs.
    Best Budget: Smartivity DIY Pinball Machine1. This machine is a 2022 Toy of the Year Finalist and allows you or your children to design the course using eco-friendly materials. It’s a more affordable option and provides an engaging DIY experience.
    Best for Variety: Haunted House 3D Digital Pinball Machine1. This machine offers a variety of games and experiences in one unit, making it a versatile choice for different preferences.
    These digital pinball machines are designed to mimic the experience of traditional pinball but at a fraction of the cost and with less maintenance required. They can be a great addition to any game room, providing entertainment for family and friends. Remember to consider the space you have available and your personal preferences when choosing the best pinball machine for your needs. Happy gaming! ️

    #2 32 days ago

    It csnt even produce a picture with flippers FFS

    #3 32 days ago

    To be fair, he threw the robot a curve by saying "for the money".

    It's response was up there with some of the "bang for your buck" answers on here.

    Perhaps a better question would be "why are Pinsiders so cheap?"

    #4 32 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    To be fair, he threw the robot a curve by saying "for the money".
    It's response was up there with some of the "bang for your buck" answers on here.
    Perhaps a better question would be "why are Pinsiders so cheap?"

    fair assessment. 2nd try:

    what is the best pinball machine

    Copilot
    The best pinball machine for you will depend on your specific preferences, such as themes you enjoy, the features you’re looking for, and your budget. However, based on recent reviews and expert recommendations, here are some of the top choices for 2024:

    Best Overall: The Arcade1Up Attack From Mars Pinball is celebrated for its authentic feel and variety, offering 10 classic pinball themes in one machine. It’s also noted for its easy assembly and adjustable legs1.
    Best Retro: The Arcade1Up Marvel Digital Pinball Machine is perfect for fans of Marvel comics and retro themes1.
    Best for Families: The Arcade1Up Star Wars Digital Pinball Machine is recommended for its family-friendly entertainment and variety of Star Wars-themed games1.
    Best Budget: If you’re looking for a more affordable option, the Smartivity DIY Pinball Machine is a great pick, especially if you enjoy building and customizing your own game1.
    Best Tabletop: For those with limited space, the Rokr Miniature Pinball Machine is a compact and fun choice1.
    Best for Variety: The Haunted House 3D Digital Pinball Machine offers a wide range of games, making it a versatile addition to any game room1.

    #5 32 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    It csnt even produce a picture with flippers FFS

    And what’s with the extra 1’s at the end of pinball and machine in it’s response

    #7 32 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Perhaps a better question would be "why are Pinsiders so cheap?"

    Q: Why are Pinsiders so cheap?

    It's important to approach generalizations about any group of people, including "pinsiders" (enthusiasts of pinball), with caution. Pinball enthusiasts, like any other group, can vary widely in their spending habits and attitudes towards money.

    That said, some reasons why certain pinball enthusiasts might be perceived as "cheap" could include:

    Passion for Value: Many pinball enthusiasts are passionate about the hobby and may prioritize getting the best value for their money. This could mean being selective about which machines they purchase or being cautious about overpaying for games.

    DIY Culture: A significant portion of the pinball community enjoys repairing and restoring machines themselves. This "do-it-yourself" ethos can lead to a desire to save money by finding deals on machines that need some work.

    Limited Budgets: Pinball machines can be expensive, especially for enthusiasts on tight budgets. Some may appear "cheap" because they're simply unable or unwilling to spend large sums of money on machines.

    Community Norms: Within any hobby community, there may be norms and expectations around spending. If the prevailing attitude among pinball enthusiasts is to seek out good deals and avoid overpaying, individuals within that community may adopt similar behaviors.

    It's important to remember that these are generalizations, and not all pinball enthusiasts fit this description. Additionally, being frugal or budget-conscious isn't inherently negative; it's often a sensible approach to managing finances, especially in a hobby that can be as costly as pinball collecting.

    #8 32 days ago

    My avatar photo resulted from asking Midjourney for a painting of a retro pinball machine.

    #9 32 days ago
    Quoted from stubborngamer:

    It's important to approach generalizations about any group of people, including "pinsiders" (enthusiasts of pinball), with caution.

    It's probably also important to approach the coming invasion of AI terminators with caution.

    #10 32 days ago

    Q: Why don't Ai drawings of pinball machines include flippers?

    When AI generates images, it does so based on patterns and data it has been trained on. If an AI drawing of a pinball machine doesn't include flippers, it could be due to several reasons:

    Training Data: The AI may not have been trained on a diverse set of pinball machine images that include flippers. If the training data primarily consists of images without flippers, the AI may not learn to include them in its generated images.

    Bias in Data: The training data might contain biases or limitations that influence the AI's output. If the dataset is skewed towards images of pinball machines without flippers, the AI may generate similar images without considering the presence of flippers.

    Complexity and Detail: Flippers are intricate mechanical components, and drawing them accurately requires a higher level of detail and complexity. AI-generated images may prioritize simplicity or focus on other prominent features of pinball machines, leading to flippers being omitted.

    Algorithm Limitations: The AI algorithm itself may have limitations in representing certain features accurately, especially if they involve dynamic or interactive elements like flippers.

    Improvements in AI training methods and datasets could potentially address these issues over time, leading to more accurate and detailed representations of pinball machines, including their flippers.

    #11 32 days ago

    This one wasn't so bad:

    give me a 5 word answer to why pinball survived the 90's downturn

    Copilot
    Nostalgia, adaptability, community, innovation, resurgence

    #12 32 days ago

    Even more boring than AI images of pinball machines are people posting AI responses to their questions.

    #13 31 days ago

    Try asking how pop bumpers work. You get a highly detailed precise response that makes no sense.

    It doesn’t know how to say “I don’t know” and invents some BS.

    #14 31 days ago
    Quoted from Yoko2una:

    Even more boring than AI images of pinball machines are people posting AI responses to their questions.

    ack. also boring is well-derided negativity on Pinside. guilty.

    #15 31 days ago
    Quoted from Yoko2una:

    Even more boring than AI images of pinball machines are people posting AI responses to their questions.

    Well it did come first so it'd even more played out...if possible

    #16 31 days ago

    I asked your Q in GPT 4o and it had a better response.

    *TRIGGER WARNING* If reading AI responses makes you grumpy, please don’t continue.

    “ The best pinball machine to buy depends on your budget, interests, and whether you're looking for a new or used machine. Here are some highly regarded options across different price ranges:

    1. **Budget-Friendly:**
    - **Gottlieb's System 80 Machines:** Affordable and reliable, though not as feature-rich as modern machines.

    2. **Mid-Range:**
    - **Stern's "The Mandalorian" or "Jurassic Park":** Modern machines with great gameplay and features, typically priced between $5,000 and $8,000.

    3. **High-End:**
    - **Jersey Jack's "Pirates of the Caribbean" or "Guns N' Roses":** Known for their intricate design and immersive gameplay, but can be pricey, often exceeding $10,000.

    4. **Classic Collectibles:**
    - **Williams' "Medieval Madness" or "The Addams Family":** Classic machines highly sought after by collectors, with prices varying widely based on condition and rarity.

    When choosing a pinball machine, consider factors like maintenance, parts availability, and whether you prefer new features or classic designs.”

    #17 31 days ago

    There is a noticeable drop off in quality/usefulness with Copilot compared to ChatGPT. I had to start using Copilot a couple months ago and it is pretty mediocre by comparison.

    Case in point, I just asked ChatGPT the question:

    What is the best pinball machine?

    The response:

    The "best" pinball machine can be subjective and depends on personal preferences. However, several machines are consistently regarded as among the best by enthusiasts and experts. Some of the top-rated pinball machines include:

    1. **Medieval Madness (1997)** - Designed by Brian Eddy and produced by Williams, this machine is often cited as one of the best due to its engaging gameplay, humor, and complex rule set.

    2. **The Addams Family (1992)** - Designed by Pat Lawlor and produced by Bally, it's the best-selling pinball machine of all time and is loved for its innovative features and theme integration.

    3. **Twilight Zone (1993)** - Another Pat Lawlor creation for Bally, known for its challenging gameplay and numerous features, making it a favorite among advanced players.

    4. **Star Trek (2013)** - Designed by Steve Ritchie and produced by Stern, this machine is praised for its fast-paced gameplay and immersive Star Trek theme.

    5. **Monster Bash (1998)** - Designed by George Gomez and produced by Williams, this machine is celebrated for its fun theme, featuring classic Universal Monsters, and its engaging, approachable gameplay.

    These machines are frequently highlighted for their exceptional design, playability, and lasting appeal in the pinball community.

    #18 31 days ago

    Here’s what it cooked up for the original “for the money” question.

    The best pinball machine to buy for the money depends on your preferences, budget, and whether you are looking for a new or used machine. Here are a few highly recommended pinball machines known for their quality, gameplay, and value:

    1. **Stern's "Jurassic Park" (2019)**:
    - **Pros**: Excellent theme integration, fun and challenging gameplay, modern technology, great sound and visuals.
    - **Cons**: Higher price for new machines, but offers great long-term value.

    2. **Williams' "Medieval Madness" (1997)**:
    - **Pros**: Classic and beloved game, fun for both beginners and experts, good resale value.
    - **Cons**: Can be expensive, especially for well-maintained or restored versions.

    3. **Stern's "The Mandalorian" (2021)**:
    - **Pros**: Popular theme, good gameplay, and modern features, offering good value for a newer machine.
    - **Cons**: Price might be high for some buyers, but it's a strong investment.

    4. **Stern's "Iron Maiden" (2018)**:
    - **Pros**: Great layout, challenging and rewarding gameplay, excellent sound and artwork.
    - **Cons**: Theme might not appeal to everyone, but gameplay is universally praised.

    5. **Bally's "Twilight Zone" (1993)**:
    - **Pros**: Deep rule set, lots of features and toys, high replay value.
    - **Cons**: Can be expensive and complex, but worth the investment for serious collectors.

    6. **Stern's "Star Trek" (2013)**:
    - **Pros**: Excellent flow and playfield design, fun for both casual and serious players, great use of theme.
    - **Cons**: Moderately priced, good balance of cost and quality.

    If you're on a tighter budget or looking for used machines, consider:

    1. **Williams' "Taxi" (1988)**:
    - **Pros**: Fun, simple gameplay, and affordable.
    - **Cons**: Older technology, but still reliable and enjoyable.

    2. **Gottlieb's "Black Hole" (1981)**:
    - **Pros**: Unique and innovative for its time, generally affordable.
    - **Cons**: Older technology, may require more maintenance.

    3. **Data East's "Jurassic Park" (1993)**:
    - **Pros**: Great theme, fun gameplay, and typically more affordable than newer machines.
    - **Cons**: Slightly older technology but very reliable.

    When choosing a pinball machine, consider factors like theme preference, gameplay depth, and potential maintenance. It's often helpful to play several machines in person at an arcade or pinball expo before making a decision.

    #19 31 days ago

    IBTL

    #20 31 days ago

    What is the best aftermarket accessory for a pinball machine?

    Pinstadium NEO "X" Fusion Atom lighting kit.

    #21 31 days ago

    That answer would be from real dumbass!

    #22 31 days ago
    Quoted from RyanStl:

    That answer would be from real dumbass!

    If copilot can be influenced to say that Arcade1Up Attack From Mars Pinball is the best pinball machine, then you can bet that Mr. Pinstadium will get his stuff at the top of every AI system to sell his "stuff".

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