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After 4 years of searching i finally got one! GENCO LUCKY 7. Now with repair pics

By Mitch

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    #51 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    With the game sitting in a damp basement for many years all the glue holding it together has let go causing it to rock sides to side really easily.

    Had to remove back panel and brace, now I'm gonna clean it inside and wood glue it all back together.

    Also remover all 4 corner "guards" gonna clean them up an paint them. Not sure if in gonna go grey, black or red for them.

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    #52 4 years ago
     
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    pinballlife

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    Once fully restored, I wonder what this would sell for?
    I'm curious as to what people would be willing to pay.

    We did very casually look at re-making this under the DayOne Pinball name, but this would be more costly than many here would predict. The wood alone would be outrageous.

    Terry.

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    #53 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Quoted from pinballlife:

    Once fully restored, I wonder what this would sell for?
    I'm curious as to what people would be willing to pay.
    We did very casually look at re-making this under the DayOne Pinball name, but this would be more costly than many here would predict. The wood alone would be outrageous.
    Terry.

    No idea dont ever plan on selling it. The crazy part is it is almost twice as old as I am.

    Not really doing a full restore either. Just want it solid, clean and working.

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    #54 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    So inside cab was vacuumed and fully wiped down with 99%isopropyl alcohol.

    Then glued, clamped and braces glued back in also.

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    #55 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Ok roll down panel.cleaned with isopropyl alcohol, and put back in cab.

    Screws going into tumbler see how they are when they come back out.

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    #56 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Ball release info.

    Large coil says J 169 and has 2.3 ohms

    Small coils says J 114 and has 5.5 ohms

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    #57 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Does anyone know where I can get a J169 coil? Mine is falling apart.
    Cant even get a goggle result for it.

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    #58 4 years ago
     
    RUF

    rufessor

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    Sorry - no help here. Just had to say I love the old coils!

    I have worked hard to clean those up on projects and enjoy opening my game and seeing the old cardboard and near cloth wrappers!

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    #59 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Rebuilt the ball release mech, cleaned the whole bottom side of the cabinet top.
    Every screw was loose from age.

    More loose glue had to spread it open put new glue inside and clamp it.

    Cleaned the bezel above the points holes also, came out nice.

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    #60 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    I doubt I'll find one but need a new coin return shoot.

    Mine is really busted up and missing a couple chunks.

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    #61 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Last update for today.

    Both buttons are rebuilt and installed bottom cab is done for now.

    Top will go back on tomorrow.
    Not taking many pics anymore as there doesnt seem to be any interest.

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    #62 4 years ago
     
    SAW

    swillie

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    OP
    Quoted from Mitch:

    Last update for today.
    Both buttons are rebuilt and installed bottom cab is done for now.
    Top will go back on tomorrow.
    Not taking many pics anymore as there doesnt seem to be any interest.

    Hey...this is one of my favorite threads at the moment!! So you have my vote for more pics if you don't mind . I have nothing to contribute except admiration...I think keeping it as original as possible is a great choice as opposed to a full blown restore. Also you may just have to rebuild/rewind that coil yourself or have it done by someone else.

    Don't go the way of the Garbage garage total arcade DIY conversion eXtreme!!! thread please...

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    #63 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Quoted from swillie:

    Hey...this is one of my favorite threads at the moment!! So you have my vote for more pics if you don't mind . I have nothing to contribute except admiration...I think keeping it as original as possible is a great choice as opposed to a full blown restore. Also you may just have to rebuild/rewind that coil yourself or have it done by someone else.
    Don't go the way of the Garbage garage total arcade DIY conversion eXtreme!!! thread please...

    Thank you for the post. I'm really glad your enjoying it.
    Ill keep posting pics and updates. Hoping t have it running this week

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    #64 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Alright got the lid/top back on the body, put the wiring back to the way it was just replaced 2 marrets as the old ones wouldn't tighten up on the wire.

    Gonna start cleaning the playfeild soon. Will probably give it a coat of wax.

    Have a new custom size glass for it and a new repo backglass.

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    #65 4 years ago
     
    MAO

    MikeO

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    You are a lucky dog. I wish I had one of these.

    Please keep the photos coming.

    At least we get to see the joy you are resurrecting.

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    #66 4 years ago
     
    RDY

    Rody

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    One of my favorite skill games...first and last machine played when we visit the VFW. Keep the pics coming!

    @pinballlife...what do you project a repro would need to sell for to make the effort worthwhile?

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    #67 4 years ago
     
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    Quoted from swillie:

    Hey...this is one of my favorite threads at the moment!! So you have my vote for more pics if you don't mind . I have nothing to contribute except admiration...I think keeping it as original as possible is a great choice as opposed to a full blown restore. Also you may just have to rebuild/rewind that coil yourself or have it done by someone else.
    Don't go the way of the Garbage garage total arcade DIY conversion eXtreme!!! thread please...

    Completely agree with this comment. Very slowly I am moving towards leaving Pinside and this is one of the threads that keeps me coming back. Ironically, I'd never seen or heard of, or even played a Lucky 7. Now, because of this thread, I want one.

    OP
    Quoted from Mitch:

    Ill keep posting pics and updates. Hoping to have it running this week

    I know its a pain in the ass to suspend work to take and post pictures but I very much appreciate your efforts. Thanks, Mitch, the backstory of your long search has been inspiring, at least to me.

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    #68 4 years ago
     
    KSN

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    Congrats on the game! Excellent work thanks for posting.

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    #69 4 years ago
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    MJA

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    Alright, pulled out the tray for the light bulb today took some measurement hope I can find a bulb locally.

    Did a through clean to the roll up half of the top and took apart the kicker mech for cleaning.

    You can see some of the screws are in crooked from 65 years ago.

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    #70 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Also installed the ball guide. Gave it a good buff on the buffing wheel. The original screws were a little rough and had Sharp edges plus the ball ran across them so I ground them down smooth so they dont damage the balls.

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    #71 4 years ago
     
    JM

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    it's kind of weird that they wouldn't have used flat head screws there and had the ball guide made with countersink holes

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    #72 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Quoted from j_m_:

    it's kind of weird that they wouldn't have used flat head screws there and had the ball guide made with countersink holes

    I tried rolling the ball down dozens of times , because of the location of the holes the ball falls through the balls rarely if ever roll against the right side rail.

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    #73 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Bumper coil is number J 504 it reads in at 9.6 ohms

    The coil stops are strange as they are spring loaded.

    Coil was originally green but turned brown with age.

    Gave the whole playfield a through clean then applied a coat of wax.

    Waiting for wax to dry now.

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    #74 4 years ago
     
    MAO

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    Not to get off topic but isn't 1 Grand Blitz excellent wax? I use it on playfield and on my car and it serves both well.

    Do you have difficulty getting the cap on and off of their container like I do? It's like the cap is a size too small.

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    #75 4 years ago
     
    SAW

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    That playfield looks beautiful!! Wow.

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    #76 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Quoted from MikeO:

    Not to get off topic but isn't 1 Grand Blitz excellent wax? I use it on playfield and on my car and it serves both well.
    Do you have difficulty getting the cap on and off of their container like I do? It's like the cap is a size too small.

    I never put it back on fully. Like maybe a quarter turn.

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    #77 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Surprisingly for a game that is 65 years old and left in a wet moldy basement it's turning out really nice.

    First coat of wax wiped off second coat applied. Almost done with the body. Next the working on the head.
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    #78 4 years ago
     
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    Looking good

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    #79 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Cleaned the ball bumper mech. Some of the rebound rubbers are a little worn out so gonna try to find replacements in the home depot plumbing section.

    Strange enough they are still squishy they havent dried up. The inner rubbers are riveted in so they will stay original till they start to fall apart. Then I will have to drill them out and replace.

    LOOKING FOR ADVICE... the rebound bar rides on what looks like 2 thin pieces of brown bakelite. Normally on pinball I don't lube anything but do you think I should put a very very smalyy amount of teflon lube on them?

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    #80 4 years ago
     
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    Quoted from Mitch:

    LOOKING FOR ADVICE... the rebound bar rides on what looks like 2 thin pieces of brown bakelite. Normally on pinball I don't lube anything but do you think I should put a very very smalyy amount of teflon lube on them?

    A tiny trace smear of liquid teflon certainly couldn't hurt. Now that the game is clean it's not like it'll gunk up or anything.

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    #81 4 years ago
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    Quoted from yancy:

    A tiny trace smear of liquid teflon certainly couldn't hurt. Now that the game is clean it's not like it'll gunk up or anything.

    That's kind if what I'm thinking.

    Test fit the new glass, looking good.

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    #82 4 years ago
     
    RDY

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    Looking awesome Mitch, thanks for the continued updates!

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    #83 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Not much hoping to get the head on this weekend and start going through it.

    Got the new light bulb in. No idea if it will work or if the ballast is good but I'll cross that bridge when I get here.

    Lowes only had a cool white bulb. It's a 13w 21inch t5. If i can get it working I'll order a warm white from amazon.

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    #84 4 years ago
     
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    pinballlife

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    Great thread! Please keep the pictures coming.

    As to the cost of production, I honestly would barely even be able to ball park this. $6000? $5000?

    Some *modern* changes would have to be made to keep the BOM even remotely in check; digital displays, plywood playing surface, plastic balls, etc. When doing ultra small runs things that normally are a small cost quickly turn into a big one. The CAD work alone makes me shiver to contemplate.

    NOTHING on this machine is modern. Copying and/or redesigning mechs, switches subways, etc. would be expensive and time consuming.

    I'd love to see a repro version come to fruition, but I'd honestly much rather be a customer than a manufacturer in this scenario.

    Terry.

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    #85 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Rolled some test balls down. Balls were sticking in the 5 hole so I had to adjust the switch stacks on it.
    The sound of the balls falling onto the wood collector tray and rolling back down is so satisfying to listen too.
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    #86 4 years ago
     
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    #87 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Done with he cab for now.
    Put the head on and had to try it out.
    Game booted up and even the florescent tube works.
    Tried to start a game and the ball release coil locked on.
    Gonna clean and adjust everthing in the head, hope that fixes the problem.

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    #88 4 years ago
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    Mitch

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    Wasnt planning on taking apart the head today but I had a few free minutes.

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    #89 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Gave the old backglass a thick spray of tripple thick so I can hang it on my wall.

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    #90 4 years ago
     
    JM

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    Quoted from pinballlife:

    ...but I'd honestly much rather be a customer than a manufacturer in this scenario.
    Terry.

    chicken!

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    #91 4 years ago
     
    TDZ

    pinballlife

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    Quoted from j_m_:

    chicken!

    Exactly.

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    #92 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Weather is too nice to be working in the basement. Did a first coat of gray enamel on the cab corner protectors and screws.

    Have to do a light white speckle still.

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    #93 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Had a few free minutes this morning so I started going through the score reels.
    The numbers were filthy and had to be careful as the reels are cardboard on this game.

    First one cleaned up easily no issues, second one was seized up and the coil looks burnt.

    Luckily the coil ohms out the same as the other ones so hoping it's ok.

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    #94 4 years ago
     
    MAO

    MikeO

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    Going though an old game in detail is so satisfying. This one clearly was enjoyed on route for a long time. Still amazing how durable it is.

    Thanks again for sharing your progress.

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    #95 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Quoted from MikeO:

    Going though an old game in detail is so satisfying. This one clearly was enjoyed on route for a long time. Still amazing how durable it is.
    Thanks again for sharing your progress.

    No problem I enjoy knowing that people are following this.

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    #96 4 years ago
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    MJA

    Mitch

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    Decided to do a full tear down on all score reels.
    Clean off all old grease, add new teflon lube, glue down lifting cardboard inside score reels, clean and adjust contacts.

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    swillie

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    Can't believe those scoring reels were just cardboard. Is the printed surface paper too? That cleaned up very nicely.

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    Mitch

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    CA Wellesley, ON

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    Quoted from swillie:

    Can't believe those scoring reels were just cardboard. Is the printed surface paper too? That cleaned up very nicely.

    Yup just a cardboard roll.
    I'm very lucky they are still nice. One has a little water damage but hard to see from the number side.
    Used 99% iso on a rag and did a quick wipe to clean and kill mold. But very quick so the cardboard didnt get wet and soft.
    Then did a better clean on the number side with novus 2.

    I love how people say novus 2 will damage your clear coated playfield but it didnt damage the 65 year old painted numbers on the cardboard score reels.

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    Mitch

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    A big part of repairs is the right tools. These are my favorite 2 pliers to use when working with springs and spring clips. Not cheap as they are snap on but very precise.
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    Mitch

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    CA Wellesley, ON

    10y 131K 5,030 18 38

    Half the score reels done.
    Can you tell which ones?

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