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AFMr feels cheap compared to an AFM


By fattdirk

7 months ago



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#1 7 months ago

So I've played a few AFMr on route and am just taken by surprised at how cheap they feel compared to an original. I own both and MMr and a MBr and they feel completely solid to me. I've talked to a few other people who say the same thing. I'm just curious what others think on this. I like the larger screen was was thinking about getting one but am on the fence now.

#2 7 months ago

Seems rock solid to me. No issues on mine. What’s cheap feeling mean? Stuff breaking?

#3 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

So I've played a few AFMr on route and am just taken by surprised at how cheap they feel compared to an original. I own both and MMr and a MBr and they feel completely solid to me. I've talked to a few other people who say the same thing. I'm just curious what others think on this. I like the larger screen was was thinking about getting one but am on the fence now.

Owning an AFMR LE and having had an old one before I really dunno what you‘re talking about as imho the AFMR quality is very good in comparison and the machine feels rock solid when in play. What‘s funny is that I‘ve felt like you do when I‘ve had my MMR-experience...exactly. Felt totally cheap.

#4 7 months ago

I had an AFMr Classic with color and it was rock solid, performed with no errors. Seemed to be well built equal to original

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#5 7 months ago

I am of an opinion that these pst should be deleted. The argument is stale.
I've had many people who thought my AFMRLE was the original. Then they
are like wow so many enhancements to original after I show them what the LE is all about.

#6 7 months ago

It's the flipper power. The more powerful flippers plus the clearcoated PF make the ball feel light. If you can get into the CGC menu and dial it down a little it feels much more natural, I went through that on my MMR.

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#7 7 months ago
Quoted from TechnicalSteam:

I am of an opinion that these pst should be deleted. The argument is stale.
I've had many people who thought my AFMRLE was the original. Then they
are like wow so many enhancements to original after I show them what the LE is all about.

I think you'd have to either be an idiot or have never played an original to not realize it's a not an original. The playfield inserts themselves look completely different and the lighting is brighter than the sun.
It just feels cheap. I had a HUO AFM original and it felt completely different. It's very obvious in the motion of the martians. I'm not saying the game isn't reliable. I think CGC make the highest quality machines currently. I'm just saying the way it plays feels cheap.

#8 7 months ago

I owned 2 nice original AFM's, including a high-end restored one that was gone through from top to bottom, and I now currently own a AFMr-LE... and I don't feel like there is any difference or compromise going to the remake.

As far as my High-End restored AFM, it was super nice and probably worth around $12K back in the day, but the AFMr-LE is just as nice if not nicer for $8K and I wouldn't currently take my restored one over my LE for the same price now.

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#9 7 months ago
Quoted from gunstarhero:

It's the flipper power. The more powerful flippers plus the clearcoated PF make the ball feel light. If you can get into the CGC menu and dial it down a little it feels much more natural, I went through that on my MMR.

This could be - the game is on route and not mine so I can't open it to check the settings.

#10 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

It just feels cheap. I had a HUO AFM original and it felt completely different. It's very obvious in the motion of the martians.

You can easily adjust the martians to shake hard like the original, it was the first thing I did as an adjustment. LOL

#11 7 months ago

Are we playing the same game? My AFMr has the best build quality out of any of my games. I feel no difference compared to the originals when I play them, if anything I like the feel of the remake more.

Edit: Going to leave that above statement as is because I'm dumb. But I meant I like the AFMr additions more, which make me lean towards it. Basically I just really enjoy the topper and some of the aesthetic changes they made with lighting.

#12 7 months ago
Quoted from Khabbi:

You can easily adjust the martians to shake hard like the original, it was the first thing I did as an adjustment. LOL

So maybe the settings are just wonk on this machine. It really threw me off.

#13 7 months ago
Quoted from atrainn:

Are we playing the same game? My AFMr has the best build quality out of any of my games. I feel no difference compared to the originals when I play them, if anything I like the feel of the remake more.

100% this.

Not understanding at all lol.

#14 7 months ago
Quoted from atrainn:

I feel no difference compared to the originals when I play them, if anything I like the feel of the remake more.

So you think they play the same yet prefer the play of one over the other?

#15 7 months ago

Got a buddy with a clearcoated AFM original, and we can't tell a difference between his OG AFM and my AFMr LE

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#16 7 months ago

I've played a ton of AFM and it's definitely different. You guys must not be as precise a player as me.

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#17 7 months ago

I've heard the same comment from many location players.

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#18 7 months ago
Quoted from TechnicalSteam:

I am of an opinion that these pst should be deleted. The argument is stale.

I swear man, only on Opinionside can you state an opinion saying someone elses opinion should be deleted as if your opinion is superior.

#19 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

So you think they play the same yet prefer the play of one over the other?

Haha yeah in retrospect that was a bit counter intuitive, so you've earned an upvote from me . To elaborate a bit, I like some of the addons (like the topper in the LE) that lean me towards the remake.

One thing that would fun, would be to find a NIB (if it exists) MM, MB, or AFM and compare them to a remake. A totally brand new playfield vs a 25 year old playfield with thousands of plays will certainly change some amount of how one game plays versus the other.

Quoted from tpir:

100% this.
Not understanding at all lol.

Yeah I was being dumb. I like the aesthetics more, but I'll leave it as is as a testament to my stupidity.

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#20 7 months ago
Quoted from atrainn:

Haha yeah in retrospect that was a bit counter intuitive, so you've earned an upvote from me . To elaborate a bit, I like some of the addons (like the topper in the LE) that lean me towards the remake.
One thing that would fun, would be to find a NIB (if it exists) MM, MB, or AFM and compare them to a remake. A totally brand new playfield vs a 25 year old playfield with thousands of plays will certainly change some amount of how one game plays versus the other.

Yeah I was being dumb. I like the aesthetics more, but I'll leave it as is as a testament to my stupidity.

I understood what you meant I was just ribbing ya! I get the total package is better. I just am wondering if anyone else thinks the gameplay is a bit off. Maybe I'm nuts.

#21 7 months ago

It's been stated but it's the flipper power combined with everything else being new. Most people dont have reference of a brand new afm to compare a remake against any more, most afm are beyond broken in and then some so it can feel diffrerent. If you turn down the flipper power you can get it feeling just like originals, for me its between -3 and -6. I've had all the remakes and still have MMr and MBr.

#22 7 months ago

I had a AFMr LE and it was the nicest most well built game I have ever owned. Played fantastic.

#23 7 months ago

I think they are night and day different.

Enuff said!

#24 7 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

I think they are night and day different.
Enuff said!

couldnt agree more....the remakes are far better

#25 7 months ago

I can’t believe we’ve been sucked in to another friggin remake vs original thread! How did I fall for this?

#26 7 months ago
Quoted from Khabbi:

You can easily adjust the martians to shake hard like the original, it was the first thing I did as an adjustment. LOL

This threw me off at first too, then I played a different one that was turned all the way up.
It’s good that it’s an option tho... some people disable the damn topper even?!? “Too loud” don’t agree but always good to have options

#27 7 months ago

I've played the crap out of my AFMRLE and its a tank. I can't think of anything that I ever had to do to it. CGC builds a solid machine.

#28 7 months ago

So a brand new AFMr doesn't play like the OG AFM from 25 years ago.

#29 7 months ago

Blindfold test!

#30 7 months ago
Quoted from mtdouble:

Blindfold test!

Bet the ball times would be very low.

#31 7 months ago

I think it's you. It might not feel the SAME but definitely not CHEAP, IMO. Every AFMr I've played, I've had no issues with in that regard. Game not functioning well due to being on a row with 20 other pins and not being shopped and the flippers are out of alignment...yeah, once.

#32 7 months ago

There are so many variables...

A machine on route plays crappy compared to my shiny new one...

#33 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

So I've played a few AFMr on route and am just taken by surprised at how cheap they feel compared to an original. I own both and MMr and a MBr and they feel completely solid to me. I've talked to a few other people who say the same thing. I'm just curious what others think on this. I like the larger screen was was thinking about getting one but am on the fence now.</blockqu

#34 7 months ago

While an old beat up AFM does feel a bit different than a NIB AFMr, it doesn't seem "cheap" to me.

If you put a NIB Woz next to one that's been heavily routed for 3-5 years, there will be a remarkable difference in the way the gameplay feels.

You'll experience that difference with pretty much any game with significant wear & tear.

I bet that if you compared a heavily routed AFMr and compared it to an AFM, it might be hard to tell them apart from a gameplay perspective.

#35 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

I think you'd have to either be an idiot or have never played an original to not realize it's a not an original. The playfield inserts themselves look completely different and the lighting is brighter than the sun.
It just feels cheap. I had a HUO AFM original and it felt completely different. It's very obvious in the motion of the martians. I'm not saying the game isn't reliable. I think CGC make the highest quality machines currently. I'm just saying the way it plays feels cheap.

Disagree they are built well. I have played several original Williams games. Flippers is the only thing that feels different to me.

#36 7 months ago
Quoted from atrainn:

Haha yeah in retrospect that was a bit counter intuitive, so you've earned an upvote from me . To elaborate a bit, I like some of the addons (like the topper in the LE) that lean me towards the remake.
One thing that would fun, would be to find a NIB (if it exists) MM, MB, or AFM and compare them to a remake. A totally brand new playfield vs a 25 year old playfield with thousands of plays will certainly change some amount of how one game plays versus the other.

Yeah I was being dumb. I like the aesthetics more, but I'll leave it as is as a testament to my stupidity.

I meant I didn't understand what OP was talking about I agree with you 100% and everything that entails

#37 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

I've played a ton of AFM and it's definitely different. You guys must not be as precise a player as me.

LMAO

The flipper buttons feel different is the only thing I can actually say after playing both back-to-back. (I have my LEDs on Remake turned all the way down, but I agree about it being too bright by default.)

#38 7 months ago

I have yet to play an AFMr that feels the same as an original. I have played routed originals and even owned a fully restored example with all new parts. I'm not saying the remake is inferior and if I never played an original then I would not know any better. It just feels different and more like a modern Stern which is strange considering it uses WMS/Bally parts. MMr seems to play closer to the original and MBr has the closest feel so far IMO.

#39 7 months ago

You people are crazy! I’ve owned Metallica, Star Trek, Shadow, BSD and Demoman all 4 times and everyone felt different for the first 30 plays.......After that, I quickly forgot and just enjoyed an awesome game. What felt different you ask, the flippers, the flow,the shots and the speed. This is pinball and it doesn’t take much to make a game “feel different”. Chicago gaming killed these remakes!

#41 7 months ago

I played a MBr for the first time last week. Had never seen the enhanced graphics or larger screen before on those games, in fact I've only played MMr and that was a long time ago. I couldn't tell the difference playwise between an original or remake, and I'd much rather have that screen than the older one honestly, it's pretty sweet. Other than the pure long term reliability factor (where you know you can repair an original AFM but the remake is more of ??? at this point) I can't think of a single reason to go original over the remake when the condition of everything is going to be so much better for the same price.

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#42 7 months ago

I think I've figured it out. It's the color of the lights. I went and played it again last night and the leds they use look so much like a cheap pachislo machine with how bright they are. I think the flippers are just different and I guess every game will have different feeling flippers.

I'm definitely not questioning cgc as they've been the most dependable games I own. When I say feel cheap I mean when I walk up to it I get that feeling.

But cgc quality is the best, followed by Stern , then spooky then way in last place is JJP. At least in my experience with route machines.

#43 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

But cgc quality is the best, followed by Stern , then spooky then way in last place is JJP.

Whaaaaaa......

I'll be shocked if even one person agrees with this.

#44 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

I understood what you meant I was just ribbing ya! I get the total package is better. I just am wondering if anyone else thinks the gameplay is a bit off. Maybe I'm nuts.

Yep You said it yourself your Nuts?

#45 7 months ago

The only thing that feels cheap is the topic of this thread.

#46 7 months ago
Quoted from MEuRaH:

Whaaaaaa......
I'll be shocked if even one person agrees with this.

There's nothing to agree to, it's simply a fact.

#47 7 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

There's nothing to agree to, it's simply a fact.

one persons fact is another persons Fiction

#48 7 months ago

Why do people start threads like this?
Trying to pump up value of the originals maybe?
Give me a NIB/HUO vs a 25 year old routed machine any day!
I don't have them side to side to compare, but my AFMR seems solid - in fact my PF seems flawless compared to other brands

#49 7 months ago

If what you say is "fact", why do you ask for others opinions?

Go back under your bridge.

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