RFM is perfect for the novice pinhead or people who love to bash the center ramp n see a fancy light show. AFM is more a players game. Just look at the PAPA vids. How many tourney videos do you see RFM used for??

Not sure if you are serious or not. RFM is a lot easier than AFM. A LOT easier. That's one reason that it got so repetitive to me so fast. It has a *lot* of modes...but I'd get through almost all of them in a game, so those modes didn't say too fresh (though I always enjoyed looking at the blonde hottie at the start of "Mars Kneads Women"!) I was attacking Mars the first day I had the pin.

Yes, I could have made it more difficult by opening the outlanes, but I just didn't feel the desire do so. The hits up the middle are way safer than they are on AFM.

Look, RFM is fun enough, it's got some great humor (some of it is fairly bad though) and it is a true crowd pleaser to my non-pinhead friends and family, but I didn't find it to be very challenging, especially compared to AFM and getting to RTU.

As of now, AFM has twice as many votes as RFM.

The tribe has spoken. survivor.gif

37x2 is 74, more than 72 votes for AFM, Oh, yeah, you are rueing the day you made that comment! J/K!

Interesting use of data, but wouldn't your conclusion based on your numbers be the opposite of what you are saying?

Since there are double the number of RFM machines out there, wouldn't there be more votes for it so its perceived value would increase? Unless you are stating people with AFM are the only ones that vote to protect an investment. IF that is your conclusion, I guess all RFM owners were Capital One babies when they were growing up and don't like more cash back. Honestly, this thread will not matter one iota when it comes time for people to buy/sell their AFM/RFM.

Actually I wish there was a I like both option on the survey, as both are fun games. I will get a RFM someday, and I look forward going over a friend's house in a couple of weeks to play one.

Diving into this hot (albeit) "losing" mess with another vote for RFM!
Redundant gameplay aside,
RFM is just such a departure from everything else I own/play...
Serviceability is definitely is top-notch with the easy-to-use, very comprehensive menu system- which is of course paired nicely to the swiftly removable, "plug and play" PF. We also can't forget how impressive RFM's stereo (yes, STEREO!) system actually IS when experienced in a quiet home environment. (Which is "VERY", BTW... )
I think the AFM crowd has merit in what they believe to be a "A" game but- for me, RFM delivers the total "alien-annihilating" package. (Even though I do love the strobe multi on AFM more... )

Plus, the footprint is perfect for tight places (small corners) and it is STILL cheaper than Stern's "The Pin"!
Big kudos to everyone (George, Pat, etc...) who made RFM even possible in the first place. I appreciate all of the hard work/long hours you guys put in to deliver this baby to the masses.

I will be ever optimistic for the future of P2K; hopefully one day, some passionate group of people will get together to create another game (or possibly games!) for this amazing machine.

Fingers crossed for TRON 2.0! (*whispers* It will be worth 20K by Christmas!!! )

I too popped 'Tilt' into the DVD player after picking my newly acquired RFM up. (I hadn't watched it in some time...) Man, I really felt for everyone who was directly involved in the P2K process, especially George- specifically during the last part of his interview when he was holding back the tears. (I would have probably done the same thing...) It's tough to have to call "B.S.", in a room full of your co-workers when everyone you respect is onboard with the majorities "good" idea. It just made me like Pat and George even more!
And on the other side of that coin...
It made me hate George Lucas even more!!!
Why on earth would you NOT want all of that collective Bally/Williams/Midway talent to give/offer feedback to the newest Star Wars game?!?

Lucas to closed door/quarantined P2K EP1 team:
"Yeah, we need more JarJar, he's going to be HUGELY popular when the movie comes out..."

Way to go buddy!
F*@$king Lucas!!!!!!

I was really just having fun and trying to make a point that Rob had completely oversimplified things by trying to tie current price of the game to overall popularity. I have also been on here long enough to realize that there are so many speculators that like to ride the hype machine that it is much more likely that AFM votes in this poll have been artificially inflated by people that are voting with their wallets and resale values in mind rather than actual game play and enjoyment. AFM took a bump up in value last year and a bunch of people owners seemed convinced it would be selling for as much as MM (I honestly thought it was on its way up even higher as it is a great game), but now it is more apparent that its new high water mark was pretty well established. I think/know there were a few people that hyped the hell out of the rise and thought they were going to be able to cash in big on their AFMs they bought a few years back for a few K. These people are still around and likely still trying to hype (just not as vocal since the tide has resided).

Both are great games and I do not like either better than the other. They are seriously apples and oranges in how they play and overall concept. They have similar shot layouts but the geometry is completely different and the P2K is obviously a whole new thing. I voted RFm in this poll simply because I am now to the stage of being more interested in having a diverse collection than being concerned with how many high value yet more similar games I can own. My current size limitation of 7 (really only room for 6; oops) means that RFM will bring some real novelty to the overall collection when it is up and running.

Bingo.

I think this debate would have been much less heated if all of the RFM fans agreed with this point. Too many of them are arguing that they are pretty much the same pin with the same shots.

Once it is agreed that they are apples and oranges in how they play, the debate really ends because at that point it simply comes down to personal preferences (purely subjective). Really one of the main reasons that I sold my RFM so soon is that I'm going to be bringing AFM back into the lineup and the themes are obviously way too similar.

I completely understand the desire to have a diverse collection and something different. I'm really enjoying my SC for this very reason. But voting for RFM over AFM for this reason alone was not the question posed by the poll as I understood it, but I guess that too is subject to interpretation.

I had an RFM and didn't enjoy it although guests did. What really turned me off was how you're in a mode 100% of the time. Even though there's 15 or so modes it felt monotonous. In the end the ruleset was too different than what I'm used to and it had to go.

So a shot straight up the middle differs on AFM in what way? As an example, for a straight shot, you press a button on a cabinet which causes a flipper to send a metal ball straight up the middle to hit a target and it is not the same on both machines? Are you serious? Listen to yourself. Does the same shot on AFM cure cancer? How about feed the homeless? I guess that I am missing something here. Sorry about being sarcastic. I am going to end up getting myself shot on this forum. Just hope that it is not from an AFM owner because they will shoot better.

BAZINGA!

Ummmmm, you have to hit other shots first before you can bash the center ramp. At least it was like that the last time that I checked.

I'll assume you havent played much AFM. RFM shots to the center can cause you to advance through modes and are safer since the up-ramp will divert the ball away from dangerous return shots. AFM center shots are usually saved for while in multiball since they are much more dangerous and will result in a center drain if you continue to take your chances on later saucers since they require quite a few shots to defeat them.

Still waiting for your "stats" that show RFM is better then AFM. I gave you mine which seemed to bring crickets on your part.

Bazinga!!!

Ok. I will buy that. That was well said. Point taken. It has been a while since I have played that machine to be honest.

Stat 1:

People who prefer RFM spell the correct iteration of the word 'than' 2 over people who prefer AFM.

Sorry you're wrong....shots to the orbits or ramps will advance through the modes but you can just bash the center and eventually raise the jump ramp in order to finish the mode. Maybe you need to play a lil more RFM to see how boring it is???

Ahhh grammar smack......when you have nothing else to support your case. I should have realized it was coming. Thanks for proving that the only thing RFM has over AFM is its cheap price tag.

I paid over 3k for my RFM. It wasn't cheap.

Having said that, I think we can all agree that neither RFM or AFM are bad games.....

We each can prefer one to the other, but if it comes down to it, in a one-game-bar-room, in an unknown town, if either of these titles were there, we'd play them... And like it!

He sold his RFM & will be getting a AFM probably in the next couple months.

I had tried to edit this post before someone quoted me because it was not cool of me to do that. This is not a personal thing. I was just trying to be funny untill I realized that it wasn't.

And, what another pinsider has is none of my business.

I am absolutely 100% serious. I know exactly what I am saying and I don't have to "listen to myself". I don't even have to respond to this further since Smassa already laid it out for you and you even acknowledged his points.

Like I said earlier in the thread: one of the main reasons that I sold my RFM two days ago was because I am going to be bringing AFM back into my lineup, and the themes are obviously way too similar.

We will simply have to agree to disagree on whether or not these two pins shoot similar. I acknowledge that you think that they do. I strongly believe that they do not, and that they play *very* differently. The two pins have a very different feel to them in terms of the angles/geometry of the shots, speed, etc.

I agree with your last couple sentences though, it's all pinball and it's all good!

And thanks for reminding me that I need to update my collection status.

No worries, I did not take it as a personal slam at all.

I have a tendency to be sarcastic. And I am used to arguing about things that are not too important. If you met my wife, you would understand. Now that was a personal slam. : )

lol

So AFM wins the popularity award and RFM takes best bang for the buck. They're both winners.

Wow I have both machines and just spent an hour reading all this LOL. The only thing I have gained from this is I realized that i need to upgrade my RFM game code. I still have the original code in mine. No ball save etc. Can anyone explain how this needs to be done on this oddball machine???

Thanks,
Rob

PS. For what my opionion is worth after all this I think afm is a shooters game. More shots !!!! BUT Having both side by side looks great! I love all the artwork on both!

I want to like RFM more, but I still prefer the flow and gameplay of AFM.