I am not sure what you consider toys, but Aliens has a few pretty cool toys compared to MM and AFM

Aliens > 1 big toy > xeno head
AFM > 1 toy? > Martian ship (I dont really think of this as a toy since the ball never interacts with it
MM > 1 awesome toy > the interaction of the castle is probably 1 of the best toys ever

other toys?:
Aliens: face hugger slings, upper ramp lock mech
AFM: jumping martians
MM: Catapult

I guess when I think of feature of a game I think of the interaction feature.
Aliens: 4 flippers, 2 slings, magnet, xeno, drop bank, 3 ramps, 2 spinners, 2 diverter posts, airsleep lock, 3 pops, scoop, subway
AFM: 2 flippers, 2 slings, 3 pops, stand up dropping bank, 2 ramps martian ship, jumping aliens, scoop, vuk and diverter
MM: 2 flippers, 2 slings, 3 pops, catapult, Castle (really 3 things hear with drawbridge, moat kicker, and explosion), 2 ramps, scoop, ramp diverter

They are pretty comparable in 'toys'

Then I count unique shots form flippers
Aliens: 31 specific shots from 4 flippers
AFM:23 specific shots from 2 flippers
MM:18 specific shots from 2 flippers

luckily, the layout is GREAT!

If you like the layout of other games being discussed, I am not sure how you dont like Aliens layout?

Aliens is basically 3 fan layouts laid on top of each other.

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curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

From what I see (from playing a bunch myself, from watching others play, from the coin box, from asking friends for honest opinions) it is largely what pinheads are into. If I were to pick a few games that feel the most like Aliens from the classics, I would say AFM, TAF, and TS all combined.

I am a consummate player first and foremost and the game definitely has the "it" factor that I look for in a game and that keeps me coming back for more.

I actually find it telling that Aliens is part of the same conversation with MM and AFM.

pretty cool that Aliens leads by a margin. Happy to see people turning to support new awesome games rather than stuck in the 90s on the handful of classics

flow, stackable mode to MB, upper right flipper shot feel, required decision making on the fly

I have owned both pin2k games before. Aliens should not even be mentioned in the same post frankly.

Pin 2k was "the future of pinball" because of the inverted mirror screen image. Nothing about the ability to turn RFM into SWEP1. That was a concept for route operators and failed along with the failure of SWEP1 being a dud (plus other things).

I guess I just dont even understand how you can possibly look at Full Throttle or Aliens as "not traditional pinball". I guess if by traditional pinball, you mean you dont like a cabinet that allows you to change in a different playfield/game... then yup not your definition of traditional.

Nothing wrong with you not liking it from your speculation or you putting so much of a machines worth to you based on tradition of cabinet, but most people tend to actually play a game before proclaiming it no pinball, lol.

edit: nevermind. Checked out your short history and guessing you are just looking for a silly conversation.