Quoted from kruzman:
I just found this thread this morning. I would like to link it to people to it when i try to explain my install kit.
If you have used the kit, I am interested in feedback in which bits you liked and used the most, and which you didnt. Much has to do with different pfs and different eras tend to use. Since I am not a pro at pf swaps (I hope to be in the near future) the info and feedback I get from others helps me very much.
I want to thank the poster for being so thorough with the explanation in this thread. I have wanted to install t nuts for my customers after I clear a pf, and now I know what size to use on the top side of the afm. The other thing customers voice a lot of concern with it the pop bumper lug nail screws that the thread poster did perfectly. That alone was the biggest reason for making the kit for my customers. Its really easy to screw up if those are full of clear (I get a lot of stock pfs here to clear and the roll over stars and the pop bumper lug holes are clogged with clear). On the MB pf there are 4 holes in the center right side that are similar. Before the kit I was having a real problem not only getting them in without breaking up the clear, but also getting them to sit flush
I dont know if you keep track, but could you estimate how many hours a pf swap takes you? or how long past projects have taken? How many have you done? Are you still learning better ways to do it (better results, faster, more efficient). I am going to do a pf swap this winter (I have a girlfriend who is a great mechanical mind, and helper) I have the choice of amazing spiderman, or bally playboy. The problem with spiderman is the gottleib pfs are so dang big (Though that may make so part of the job easier, its hard on my back)
So, I realize it takes a bunch of time to post all of your pics and explanations, but people really learn from it. Hopefully you look at it as a contribution to society. A very positive thing. Good charity. cheers, rk
Thanks Ron and it really looks great! I don’t spend near as much time up close and personal with a playfield like you do, but I’ve seen enough for many hours in a swap to see there’s a big difference in what comes from “factory” vs “aftermarket” and it’s much like a quality show paint job vs a nice factory job. Most people probably won’t notice, but if you look it’s night and day.
The kit works great and I have my favorite bits. Attached the three I use 95% of the time and you can see I sharpen them every few holes so it gets used.
Good call about the pop studs. I didn’t cover it much on how I do them on this one but yes you’re dead on that’s pretty critical as the brackets get snugged down, if you don’t prep the holes, there’s a high chance of lifting clear there. I know I have seen factory playfields that have those studs buried 1/4 of the way into the playfield. Maybe the workers used 1/2” impacts on some?!
About the swaps I’ve done: about 15 full swaps and time has varied on all. I’m much more efficient this past year. I’ve done enough now that I’m prepping for a few moves ahead. I’m still learning from everyone here and RGP past and present. The part I hate and put off is soldering. Time spent is usually 120-160 hours. But this will be shorter if you can dedicate time in large chunks which I can’t. If your GF is good mechanically, let her eat. I’m not super familiar with those titles to know the details, but let her have a go. Worst case is you find she’s really got a talent and enjoys it (I do and it’s a solace from my day job. I used to be a blue collar working guy but not do much so I love this stuff to keep me feeling like i used to: hands on. I miss wrenching on cars so much so this is the next best.). I hope this rant is of some value. You know the drill: pics, label, take your time.
Helping out others is a huge deal. I’ve learned so much from locals, here, RGP, @bryan_kelly , @beelzeboob, Clay @cfh Lloyd @ltg , @high_end_pins , etc I’m losing track. Heck, I’m listening to TOPCASTS on my shitty commutes home. How did I miss them over the years? Thanks @mbaumle for recommending. I’m at #19. It’s interesting after 10-12 years after these interviews. The Tradeau interview was odd in light of recent events. Thank you all here
Updated pics show the diverter and how I prepped this early. See my last one Atilla here:https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/attilla-from-mars-another-afm-playfield-swap#post-5129564
Same method but some pics showing my steps. Locked it in with Ron’s kit at the end. Ready to go.
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