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AFM fs: $5000 NYC SOLD


By CrazyLevi

5 years ago



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#51 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The "current climate" is indeed rough man.
When it takes 28 hours to sell a game that you've basically advertised and marketed as a piece of crap that needs a total resto, you know things are bad.
I was about to drive the damn thing to Arizona or trade it straight up for a faded JM.
The pinball market is collapsing before our eyes. I just turned down a $900 Creature because there's a scrape on the babe's nipple on the translite.

I would think that if the scratch were anywhere else you would have grabbed it

#52 5 years ago

I would have grabbed it up Levi, keep me in mind as I am always looking for A-List titles that are in very sad shape to bring back to fully restored beauty.

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#53 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The "current climate" is indeed rough man.
When it takes 28 hours to sell a game that you've basically advertised and marketed as a piece of crap that needs a total resto, you know things are bad.
I was about to drive the damn thing to Arizona or trade it straight up for a faded JM.
The pinball market is collapsing before our eyes. I just turned down a $900 Creature because there's a scrape on the babe's nipple on the translite.

AFM is one of the most beloved games of all time, and I don't think a working one has been listed on Pinside for under $6k in the last few years, so it's hardly surprising that it sold. That it took 28 hours is worth mentioning only because that's about 27 hours longer than it would have taken at any other point in the last 5 years. But I'm minting a medal for you anyway, because you deserve one. The reverse psychology you used to sell this game was spellbinding, and your honesty? Truly exemplary.

I think whoever pays $5k for this dirty, routed beater in the "current climate" is a sucker, but there are plenty of them around, so congratulations on finding one. One side of your medal will reference this.

#54 5 years ago

So we are awarding medals?

FamilyButthurtCade gets...

"Worst Attempted Fs Thread Troll"

Not only does he open with some joke that NOBODY, including myself, gets or ever will get, he returns without anybody asking to try to explain it. Hint - if you have to do that, it's a bad troll.

Then he makes a silly trade offer which also falls flat, and gets no laughs or reaction.

Then he comes in after the sale to try to gloat that he's smarter than anybody who made that buy. Everyone laughs at him because the game sold quickly with many interested buyers.

So, when is the award ceremony? We can share a booth

The "current climate" getting hotter up in here!

#56 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I just turned down a $900 Creature because there's a scrape on the babe's nipple on the translite.

I don't blame you. A scrape like that ruins the whole thing.

#57 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

So we are awarding medals?
FamilyButthurtCade gets...
"Worst Attempted Fs Thread Troll"
Not only does he open with some joke that NOBODY, including myself, gets or ever will get, he returns without anybody asking to try to explain it. Hint - if you have to do that, it's a bad troll.
Then he makes a silly trade offer which also falls flat, and gets no laughs or reaction.
Then he comes in after the sale to try to gloat that he's smarter than anybody who made that buy. Everyone laughs at him because the game sold quickly with many interested buyers.
So, when is the award ceremony? We can share a booth
The "current climate" getting hotter up in here!

You entered my for sale thread where I said "this weekend or nothing"...and said "I'd buy it but I'm out of town this weekend"...as if that would stop a local person from actually buying it if they really wanted and intended to buy it. Not trolling? So I returned the favor.

Then, after respectfully waiting until AFTER you sell your game I offered my opinion. Then you "holier than thou'd" it - like a self-righteous ego-maniac. You can't troll a thread that's already finished! Yet that's what you're accusing me of? Trolling a for sale thread AFTER the game has sold? Uh-huh. You should just be happy the game sold. But no. You have to act defensive and do a little "look at me" touchdown dance. For selling an AFM for $5k. Like I said, you deserve a medal.

Post edited by TheFamilyArcade: Edited out the rancor. Levi's a good guy.

#58 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Man, $5k? I wouldn't say this this until now, but seemed overpriced for its condition in the current climate. I know AFM still holds people's attention, but I wonder what it goes for if AFMr is made/priced at $6k

It won't be. MMR sales have proven 1000 people are quick to pay $8000 for a new AGrade so why would they sell an equally good/popular/rated game for any less than $8000?

Even if they sold 500 at $8000, that'd probably be more profit than 1000 machines at $6000. With half the effort.

Presuming a cost of $5000 (generous I would think) ...
$8000 sale price x $3000 profit x 500 machines = 1,500,000 profit
$6000 sale price x $1000 profit x 1000 machines = 1,000,000 profit

All just figures pulled from my ass, but you get the point.

rd

#59 5 years ago

AFM in good condition with no fade, perfect play field, and extras, 10 k all day boys......Reality Check ....... Fade and play field wear 6500-7500 and that's a deal!............

#60 5 years ago
Quoted from Gorf:

AFM in good condition, 10 k all day boys.......Learn to live with the reality....... Fade and play field wear 6500-7500............

Time to out myself as the buyer I guess.

I've been looking for a beater for a while. I have a brand new AFM playfield in my shed ready to go.

So the way I look at it, I should have a brand new AFM for around $6500 USD plus a week of my labour (which is worth nothing anyways)

Heres a Fish Tales which is getting the full treatment now. Cab decals are going on today. Still a bit of work to do so I better get going ...

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#61 5 years ago

Would buy a pin from crazylevi based solely on his ability to convey mass sarcasm on a Internet forum. Well played and don't forget to donate for your effortless sale.

#62 5 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Time to out myself as the buyer I guess.

This is what FamilyArcade thinks of you, in case you missed it:

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

I think whoever pays $5k for this dirty, routed beater in the "current climate" is a sucker, but there are plenty of them around

Not that you give a sh*T!

#63 5 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

This is what FamilyArcade thinks of you, in case you missed it:

Not that you give a sh*T!

When I have my "brand new" $6500 AFM playing mint, we will see who the sucker is! lol

To be fair to my old mate TFA, to the layperson, this thing does look expensive. As Levi says, it is basically a pile of crap!

But when you can do all the work yourself, it doesn't work out so bad ... I have a new playfield already, the cab decals aren't too expensive (in relation to the worth of the machine) a few bits here and there .. maybe new ramps, we will see. Whatever money I put into it parts wise, it will come back double if I ever want to sell it (unlikely...)

Also, here in NZ there are probably only 10 AFMs in the whole country ... so they are hardly "dime a dozen" over here. We need to grab what we can, when we can.

rd

#64 5 years ago

I'm just happy to see you still buy DMDs.

#65 5 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I'm just happy to see you still buy DMDs.

There aren't too many DMDs on my want list. AFM and Flintstones are the only ones I can think of actually, and I've got both of those in the last week.

rd

#66 5 years ago

rotordave seems pretty fn psyched to be getting an AFM - that's just how it should be. Who wouldn't be?

I'm psyched cause now I have space to set up a really nice Theater of Magic I just got a few days ago - a game I love and one of the "big three" that got me hooked back in college (TAF, TOM, CFTBL)

So this worked out just as it should have, and I even got a medal!

Good work Pinside!

#67 5 years ago

I like medals

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#68 5 years ago

With the prospect of PPS announcing AFM as it's next title, why the big deal that I suggested $5k might be too much? RD gets it, because he isn't naturally argumentative like some (myself included).

Hell, when I offered up AVLE I was half-way serious...because I wouldn't mind sprucing up an A lister myself. Levi could have responded, but he didn't. But the fact remains for $5k you can get NIB TWD/MET/IMVE/ST etc. etc. etc. or pristine examples of LE games like AVLE and XMEN and TFLE.

People continue to start threads about the increasing prices for NIB, and a routed beater (that might be remade in the next 6-12 months) sells for $5k. I think that's interesting. I wasn't looking for a fight, but I don't mind.

I think people are going to look back at all the wonderful games Stern is releasing now and shake their heads at what these B/W 'a-listers' continue to fetch. I know I do.

Calling the buyer a "sucker" was an exaggeration. So I'll take that back. But IMO, $5k for a any game in this condition is just not worth it. Only reason I offered up AVLE is because I think the street price on that turd is under $4,500 nowadays.

#69 5 years ago

I will not deny that Stern product has been getting better.

You compare stuff like Metallica and Tron to the stuff they were putting out at the turn of the century and it's really night and day.

But from a feel, charm, build, and all around fun perspective, these games still aren't a patch on the a-list Williams Bally stuff of the 1990s. Not everyone feels that way obviously but for a large portion of us that will likely never change.

#70 5 years ago

Congrats rotor! I hope you post pix of the resto along the way.

#71 5 years ago

I have Twilight Zone and a bunch of Bally/Williams games . tome they just seem outdated I also have 3 stern games Ripley's Believe it or not The Simpsons and a Metallica Premium Road case they just see more fun.

#72 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

With the prospect of PPS announcing AFM as it's next title, why the big deal that I suggested $5k might be too much? RD gets it, because he isn't naturally argumentative like some (myself included).
Hell, when I offered up AVLE I was half-way serious...because I wouldn't mind sprucing up an A lister myself. Levi could have responded, but he didn't. But the fact remains for $5k you can get NIB TWD/MET/IMVE/ST etc. etc. etc. or pristine examples of LE games like AVLE and XMEN and TFLE.
People continue to start threads about the increasing prices for NIB, and a routed beater (that might be remade in the next 6-12 months) sells for $5k. I think that's interesting. I wasn't looking for a fight, but I don't mind.
I think people are going to look back at all the wonderful games Stern is releasing now and shake their heads at what these B/W 'a-listers' continue to fetch. I know I do.
Calling the buyer a "sucker" was an exaggeration. So I'll take that back. But IMO, $5k for a any game in this condition is just not worth it. Only reason I offered up AVLE is because I think the street price on that turd is under $4,500 nowadays.

That's a good post with good points.

You have redeemed yourself. For now.

#73 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

But the fact remains for $5k you can get NIB TWD/MET/IMVE/ST etc. etc. etc. or pristine examples of LE games like AVLE and XMEN and TFLE.

very good point but AFM is quite possibly the best game ever made. It has spawned (almost) countless imitators but none have surpassed it IMHO. I NEVER should have sold mine.

-dave (not of the rotor variety)

#74 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

People continue to start threads about the increasing prices for NIB, and a routed beater (that might be remade in the next 6-12 months) sells for $5k. I think that's interesting. I wasn't looking for a fight, but I don't mind.
I think people are going to look back at all the wonderful games Stern is releasing now and shake their heads at what these B/W 'a-listers' continue to fetch. I know I do.

I do too! That's why I wouldn't pay $9000 USD for an AFM. $6000 odd I can live with.

A lot of the affinity for BW games dates back 20 years. I get emails all the time "do you have an addams/TZ/mm for sale?" and I ask "why do you want that one..." And the answer is "because that's the one I used to play at university"

I had one guy, the only pin he wanted was TOM. Because that's the one he and his wife used to play when they were dating and it was special to him. He'd never really played any other pin.

Also, you get the "read the top 300" guys who read the ratings and want a TZ/mm/Addams because they're highly rated. Good to see some new sterns higher up the ratings now.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Calling the buyer a "sucker" was an exaggeration. So I'll take that back. But IMO, $5k for a any game in this condition is just not worth it. Only reason I offered up AVLE is because I think the street price on that turd is under $4,500 nowadays.

Let's just say that Levi and I came to a mutually agreeable deal.

PS good response and also a good response to your response from RobT. Feel the love!

rd.

#75 5 years ago

just finished that Fish Tales cabinet ... oh yeah mama!

rd

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#76 5 years ago

That looks sweet.

#77 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I will not deny that Stern product has been getting better.
You compare stuff like Metallica and Tron to the stuff they were putting out at the turn of the century and it's really night and day.
But from a feel, charm, build, and all around fun perspective, these games still aren't a patch on the a-list Williams Bally stuff of the 1990s. Not everyone feels that way obviously but for a large portion of us that will likely never change.

I 100% agree about the charm, feel frivolity, humor and overall "finished product" of B/W games. I adore my FT and really like my JM and want to own more B/W titles...but Stern has upped their game so much. It's a different style of pinball to be sure...and there's room for both.

#78 5 years ago

Good buying on the AFM. There will always be a demand for original.

I knew there had to be another CV in NZ.

#79 5 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

just finished that Fish Tales cabinet ... oh yeah mama!

rd

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RD, on the left side of the cabinet decal, is there a faint "palm frond" patterns near the top towards the front. Making a lighter orangish yellow contrasted against the darker color?

#80 5 years ago

Like I said that afm is going to a great person with vision ......and it will end up being a beautiful afm machine ....

#81 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

RD, on the left side of the cabinet decal, is there a faint "palm frond" patterns near the top towards the front. Making a lighter orangish yellow contrasted against the darker color?

Don't quite understand the question sorry TFA .....

The whole thing has a gradient toward the top.

I have to say that the front panels don't match the sides very well ... A lot of pins, the art flows from the sides to the front with lines that meet etc. Not Fish Tales.

But you have to love those colours. Great looking pin.

Check out the new side rails against the orange. Nice!!

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#82 5 years ago
Quoted from pinsanity:

Good buying on the AFM. There will always be a demand for original.
I knew there had to be another CV in NZ.

There's a few CVs now. Originally though, there were only 3 imported new to NZ. (From memory)

Since then, I have imported 2 from Europe, another came from the USA, and one from Aussie. Probably others too.

rd.

#83 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

With the prospect of PPS announcing AFM as it's next title, why the big deal that I suggested $5k might be too much? RD gets it, because he isn't naturally argumentative like some (myself included).

I agree with you 100%.............I would have never paid $5000 for that game, but in the end, everyone is different and some people love projects. It's not always about the money with everyone. Congrats to the seller!

#84 5 years ago

Have never even seen a TOM or AFM.
Super stoked to play TOM at Expo.

#85 5 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Are you playing the game with the inserts like that, or is this game folded up?

I don't play it much at all. Hopefully this winter I can pull out all my new parts and make her brand new again

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#86 5 years ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

You entered my for sale thread where I said "this weekend or nothing"...and said "I'd buy it but I'm out of town this weekend"...as if that would stop a local person from actually buying it if they really wanted and intended to buy it. Not trolling? So I returned the favor.
Then, after respectfully waiting until AFTER you sell your game I offered my opinion. Then you "holier than thou'd" it - like a self-righteous ego-maniac. You can't troll a thread that's already finished! Yet that's what you're accusing me of? Trolling a for sale thread AFTER the game has sold? Uh-huh. You should just be happy the game sold. But no. You have to act defensive and do a little "look at me" touchdown dance. For selling an AFM for $5k. Like I said, you deserve a medal.
Post edited by TheFamilyArcade: Edited out the rancor. Levi's a good guy.

^^^....Yawn.....

Great thread OP.....I played AMF for the first time yesterday....what a great game....can't deny the playfield having lots of T2 visuals but that's a great thing to me...it also had a color dmd....wish all pinside threads where this cool...so many bent out of shapers on pinside...............Joey

#87 5 years ago
Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:

Not to be that guy, but paint wont cover up the fact the door is rusted and would need to be totally stripped and refinished, Also there appears to be A LOT of rust in the stroke of luck VUK. Also the fact it is garage kept next to a 'rusty' No Fear and the potential for under lying problems is there. Shots of the inside of the cabinet may help your cause.

Oh snap, someone used the "R" word on a FS thread.

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#88 3 years ago

For the sake of completion ... And because it was mentioned in Kanedas podcast... I thought I would share photos of this machine all finished.

- new decals
- new Playfield
- black trim
- comet LEDs
- etc etc

Came up nice.

rd

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#89 3 years ago

I agree with Levi about the 90's A listers being the go to games for some time to come. A long time to come if you ask me. But that is my opinion. I think this was a good deal and a good buy for someone like RD that can rebuild games so nicely. What I want to know is why TFA is calling Avatar LE a turd? Or is that Avengers? Idk... I enjoy Avatar LE myself.

#90 3 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

For the sake of completion ... And because it was mentioned in Kanedas podcast... I thought I would share photos of this machine all finished.
- new decals
- new Playfield
- black trim
- comet LEDs
- etc etc
Came up nice.
rd
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Hey, Dave! You had that thing shipped all the way to New Zealand? Wasn't that kind of, um...cost prohibitive?

#91 3 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Hey, Dave! You had that thing shipped all the way to New Zealand? Wasn't that kind of, um...cost prohibitive?

I can get a pin shipped from NYC to Auckland probably cheaper than you can get one shipped to Jersey from Florida.

We do have to pay some customs fees and tax on it when it arrives which is a bummer. But not too much.

rd.

#92 3 years ago

Bought a beat up pin for $5K, spent a ton to ship it, a ton of money on new decals, play field, etc and it seems it took an entire year to complete. A mint one just sold for $8K the other day. So I am just wondering what the point was restoring a $5K machine? Not hating, I'm just not seeing how time and money was worth it to restore this thing. Especially when the remake might be around the corner.

Regardless, it came out great. Good job.

#93 3 years ago
Quoted from kpg:

A mint one just sold for $8K the other day.

Dave is in Australia. Mint AFMs are considerably more there.

#94 3 years ago

Maybe it's the super bowl wine but I turned my phone on and thought that was an AMH for $5k. Just about flipped.

#95 3 years ago
Quoted from kpg:

Bought a beat up pin for $5K, spent a ton to ship it, a ton of money on new decals, play field, etc and it seems it took an entire year to complete. A mint one just sold for $8K the other day. So I am just wondering what the point was restoring a $5K machine? Not hating, I'm just not seeing how time and money was worth it to restore this thing. Especially when the remake might be around the corner.
Regardless, it came out great. Good job.

That's exactly what I just did. Bought one for 5k, am restoring the crap out of it, and I'll have a new looking original, which for me is always preferable to a remake.

#96 3 years ago
Quoted from jayhawkai:

Dave is in Australia. Mint AFMs are considerably more there.

Close champ. New Zealand. You'd think you'd know that, being from the Antartic.

rd

#97 3 years ago
Quoted from kpg:

Bought a beat up pin for $5K, spent a ton to ship it, a ton of money on new decals, play field, etc and it seems it took an entire year to complete. A mint one just sold for $8K the other day. So I am just wondering what the point was restoring a $5K machine? Not hating, I'm just not seeing how time and money was worth it to restore this thing. Especially when the remake might be around the corner

Ok, here goes.

A. If the remake comes out I'll probably be dead by them anyway lol. If I'm still alive, it will be the same price as MMR which is $8000 usd plus exchange rate (65c) plus shipping plus tax = $14,000 to 15,000 New Zealand bucks. Give or take.

B. I didn't pay $5000 it was quite a bit less. Plus the exchange rate was like 82c to the NZD at the time which was sweet. And Levi dropped it off at the depot for me which was nice.

C. I had the Playfield and cab decals already bought at 85c to the dollar. Nice.

D. If you want to buy an AFM in NZ or Australia, good luck. Nobody sells them. If they do, they are not cheap.

So all this taken into account, I ended up with a basically new AFM for a heap less than what I a used AFM cost here, or what an AFMR would cost.

rd

#98 3 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Ok, here goes.
A. If the remake comes out I'll probably be dead by them anyway lol. If I'm still alive, it will be the same price as MMR which is $8000 usd plus exchange rate (65c) plus shipping plus tax = $14,000 to 15,000 New Zealand bucks. Give or take.
B. I didn't pay $5000 it was quite a bit less. Plus the exchange rate was like 82c to the NZD at the time which was sweet. And Levi dropped it off at the depot for me which was nice.
C. I had the Playfield and cab decals already bought at 85c to the dollar. Nice.
D. If you want to buy an AFM in NZ or Australia, good luck. Nobody sells them. If they do, they are not cheap.
So all this taken into account, I ended up with a basically new AFM for a heap less than what I a used AFM cost here, or what an AFMR would cost.

rd

Ok great points you make, and totally understandable now. That's awesome for u especially seeing that you clearly know how to restore a machine too. Great job dude !

#99 3 years ago
Quoted from kpg:

Ok great points you make, and totally understandable now. That's awesome for u especially seeing that you clearly know how to restore a machine too. Great job dude !

I actually didn't do the Playfield swap on this one, someone else had the pleasure of that. I have 3 others to do ... One day ...

rd

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