Quoted from djreddog:

My first thoughts were the box was simply wrong because the invoice and the paperwork was all correct. However, after opening the box and seeing a purple game I knew at that moment it was in fact a premium and made the decision to contact the distributor first thing Monday morning.

Quoted from KingBW:

Hah ... I use that too. I'm another one of the lucky ones. Mine wanted WOZ ... got it. Then she wanted Hobbit ... got it for her as a surprise. Now she doesn't know which she likes more ... DI or AS Prem. Decisions ...

Quoted from Who-Dey:

You sure about that? Aerosmith is no slouch and one of the funniest pins I've ever played!

Quoted from kermit24:

its not "high voltage" anymore. Its under 50 volts even at max - and the power supply is variable.

Quoted from kermit24:

Agreed - But if you put it into the menu doesn't it cut the coil power?

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

I also like that the playfields on AS appear to have a better quality clear coat compared to other recent Stern games. Maybe the pkayfield company recently made a change to improve quality.

Quoted from SilverballNut:

I would guess most shooter lanes are this way. They just route the wood and then clear over the top, it isn't hit with a sander or anything else so the clear just goes into the pours etc.

Quoted from SilverballNut:

Okie dokie. Guess not. I'll have to take a close look at my AS and see if I see anything. It looked fine from a distance

Quoted from SamIam:

Can someone tell me more about the "smart missle" I had it pop up last night on the screen & the smart button was flashing white so I hit it... no idea what it did, how I earned it or how it's used. I was pretty far along having a good game, love this machine.

Quoted from cnuts13:

Shaker motor for aerosmith? yay or nay??

Quoted from SilverballNut:

Cliff is pretty busy, but I chatted with him by email and he said he'd look into creating protectors for the AS LE eventually so figure he really means all the AS pins.
My LE is holding up well so far, but I've ordered cliffys for the drop target, under ramp switches, outhole, and drain. He hasn't made anything specific for AS yet, but I think what I ordered will work just fine.

Quoted from Da_Topper:

Aerosmith LE owner #10 here. Pinballlife sells pin footies and leg bolt spacers that match the LE trim really nicely. Going to do my playfield posts in purple too.

Quoted from konghusker:

Curious how you owners feel about the game so far, especially if it were in a smaller collection with Metallica? How deep will rules go, and lasting power in a smaller collection? Really like what I see so far.

Quoted from T7:

Vic - Konghusker asked how "owners" feel about the game. You didn't buy one did you?

Quoted from SilverballNut:

3 Ball, i don't make any of my games 5 ball.

Quoted from wdpvideo:

Where is every buying their leg bolt spacers? I checked pinball life and never found any in color or clear.

Quoted from djreddog:

From the beginning:
- Start Walk This Way. Finish it for Super Ramps
- Shoot scoop. Select Last Child. Finish it for Super orbits
- Lock 4-5 balls
- Start Elevator MB to get rewarded with a 4 or 5 ball Elevator MB instead of the usual 3
- Shoot scoop - Select Sweet Emotion
- Start Toybox Multi-Ball
- Shoot ramps and orbits to collect all super shots
- Never let auto-plunge engage, always short plunge to avoid SDTM or straight down the right outlane when the ball gets shot out of the pops.

Quoted from Pinball_Freak:

It's a great game! I was going pro but distributor only had Prem! Hmm what do I do!! Already having a Met, thought about it for a min and decided to go Prem. Upper PF offered greater variation between the two.

Quoted from swampfire:

I think I've found a bug. Three times now, after I started Rats in the Cellar, the song audio changed to something else. The red "Rats" insert was still flashing, and I was definitely playing that mode, but the audio changed to something else (a different song every time). It's always a few seconds into starting the mode.
EDIT: found another bug. The "TOYS" insert flashes continuously, until TITA MB starts - then it goes out. The logic is reversed somewhere.
EDIT: send both of these to [email protected].

Quoted from pinden007:

I have been considering this game for a while now - this and DI.
I only have 1 pin(GB) so far so I have to choose carefully because this might be it for a while.
I have almost pulled the trigger on AS about 3 times now and chicken out each time.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Totally disagree. I say Get the AS.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

The upper p/f is one of those extras that isn't worth the money but it is worthing having as it has such purpose in that setting up the 2 times scoring is very satisfying.

Quoted from swampfire:

All this means is that if you can't compare your scores to Pro. Kind of a silly argument. I'm sure there are other (better) reasons to go Pre/LE.

Quoted from swampfire:

All of the versions are great, hard to go wrong with any of them.
Has anybody else run into the problem where the song you hear doesn't match the playfield mode? It happened to me a bunch more today, to the point where it was getting annoying. I can always avoid it if I remember not to flip for a few seconds after picking a song, but I don't want to have to explain that to people who come over.

Quoted from swampfire:

I'm asking a different question - whether other AS owners have seen the problem. As far as I know I'm the only one, so maybe something is wrong with my specific game.

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

Hi there,
I was wondering to add it to my line-up.
Just would like to know what is the best deal between pro and premium.
I heard the mini playfield was to X2 playfield ( X2 through mistery for the Pro)
What are the other main differences, hardware and software? Any another MB like on Tron?
Thanks

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

Ok, Thanks for the clarification.
Are there other main differences?

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

What does the elevator toy?
Is the ball can go from main to mini playfield through this elevator? Or just a scoop?
Sorry for the question, I have only played a pro.
Thanks

Quoted from Pinball_Freak:

Yep. Had about 3 where ball gets stuck under mini PF. Haven't taken mini PF off to see why this happens yet. I have not personally got a ball stuck but my wife got ball stuck on her first game with her first shot! WTF she felt like she had broken pin first shot lol. It took awhile to find the ball the first time, now I know I have a tool that can easily remove ball when this happens.
If it becomes more frequent I will look under mini PF and adjust accordingly. Has anyone had to do this? Would be good to know what fix works best. Cheers

Quoted from Eskaybee:

So I haven't followed AS in a couple months. Have their been any code updates or hints of any code updates coming?

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

Please tell me what you are on about? Who from Stern and when was this confirmed. You seem to be the only person that keeps saying this.

Quoted from merccat:

While Stern certainly uses a base software package, that's only smart, it doesn't mean that games are clones of each other. What facts back this up?

Quoted from SilverballNut:

I'm sure Stern starts with a base game package that has basic menus, basic play etc. Then as the design of the game is implemented they will pull shared resources and use the pieces that make sense.

Quoted from SilverballNut:

Semantics mostly. I think KISS and AS probably started from the same blank base, but it's highly doubtful that they took the KISS code, copied (cloned) it to a directory and then started removing/changing items. That would take more time and usually leads to more bugs and harder to maintain code.
Think of it more like this
->Base Code (including a library of common components)
|-> KISS
|-> AS
|-> SW
I doubt it was KISS -> AS. That would lead to two completely separate code branches that would need to be maintained separately. If you found a bug with a node board firmware you'd have to go back and change it in every branch of code. If you use the same base libraries, you would change it in one spot, test on one machine and all would be good for any others.

Quoted from SilverballNut:

I could be giving them to much credit, but a simple copy and paste mistake in the menu could be just in the menu label (the function call). The underlying code can still be in the code base.
e.g. They could have a call such as setMultiballMenuOption("KISS Army Multiball", 4); Where the title and number of balls are passed in. All of the functionality for handling the option would be down lower. Yes engineers will copy and paste routinely from known code sources instead of typing it all from memory and I don't see a problem with that. The problem is they didn't change the title.
I will say with how many games they are releasing a year, it's highly doubtful that each is an independent branch. They have to be using a SDK/library at the bottom and reusing/sharing as much as possible. That is just good use of software resources. Engineers (me included) just cost to much to start from scratch every time.

Quoted from merccat:

Code was in fact terrible 25, 15, even 10 years ago. Not all of course there are always exceptions
But generally modern techniques and methodologies for developing software in a responsible manner have only really become more mainstream over the last 10 years or so, maybe only reaching wide adoption in the last 5. Unfortunately there are still way too many out there not yet leveraging these techniques.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

As for next code update, what do people want? Or rather hope for....
1. More use of firebutton
2. Code the outlanes to make a sound!
3. Tweak Medley multiball as it's a bit of a grind right now.

Quoted from jeffsarcade:

I would like to see a quick video mode that uses the Smart Button while the magnet holds the ball. Maybe something to do with the ducks or cows or other animations.

Quoted from Pin_Guy:

So this is interesting...when I was first setting up my machine AS Premium I noticed all the cable harnesses were labeled Toys LE. I didn't think much of it as all my ST harnesses were labeled Prem/LE and figured they just marked them all either Pro or LE since there is no electrical difference (to my knowledge) between the premium and pro playfields.

The other day when cleaning the machine I noticed that my mini playfield is signed, looks like my machine shipped with a Premium cabinet and an LE playfield after all.

Quoted from jeffsarcade:

So I will need an adapter? Right now, my BriteButtons connect via Molex connector. I don;t see a Molex connector in the cab.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Ok, I did a test of sorts and lowered the overhanging plastic.
Still get rejects.
I did lots of tests and I think what happens is if the shot isn't perfect straight ball deflects as it goes up ramp and then hits the small mini post on the left and then wobbles and comes back down.
Not sure there is any solution to that except play better?!

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Solution of sorts.
I put a piece of card here - see photo.
Ramp is now butter smooth - well, I got 10 out of 10 which is good enough. I miss it so often that testing takes a long time
Anyway a more permanent solution is making a clear plastic that fits here. There is room to fit one I think.
Not sure I can do that but that is the way forward.

Quoted from rockrand:

I was wrong about the fix for this,I made a plastic cover that was like the top plastic but lower and that did a little I think but your card cover is the answer,I just need to figure out how to make a plastic card that stays in place,I am now getting about 99 percent, shot is hard enough so this is very nice
Love this game
Good job,thanks

Quoted from hank35:

Pro vs. Premium/LE.
From all the videos I've been watching, it appears that the Pro has more flow than the Premium or LE.
I tried finding some videos showcasing the upper playfield in action with little luck.
For those that have played both, in your opinion, is the Premium/LE worth the extra money?
Does it offer that much more than the Pro?
I'm leaning towards the Pro, but I'm still up in the air.
Thanks for your input.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how good the game sounds with the factory speakers. I know it's not mind blowing but it's not bad at all really.

Quoted from merccat:

Had something scary happen last night. I was cleaning and making some minor adjustments and powered the game off while in diagnostics.... loaded balls back up, put the glass back in, powered back up and nothing.
Tried powering back off for about 30 seconds and back on... nothing.
Opened the head and could see all power leds indicating good power... still nothing. Basically spike2 was refusing to boot after shutting down in diagnostics.
I noticed that the 5v led was still barely on after power down apparently slowly drawing from the power supply caps do I unplugged the power supply output lines going to the main board and all nodes. Waited a moment, plugged them back in and powered up. Successfull boot!!!
*phew*
So lesson learned: apparently Spike2 does not have any circuitry to shut off logic on power down and is relying entirely on loss of power to fully reset. The power supply has enough capacitance to keep the logic alive at some level for quite a while after power down. If your system encounteres something you can't seem to clear with a power cycle... maybe give it 20-30 minutes while off or unplug the boards for a moment.

Quoted from cooked71:

Cliffy's finally got the kickout protectors done.....

Quoted from merccat:

You can see in that first photo how much wear the kick-out hole was already getting. I think these are going to be a must have.

Quoted from Pin_Guy:

This post refers to a "cliffy" protector but the pictures are of a mantis style protector, any more information on where this hole protector can be purchased?

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

It never usually is in money terms, especially as AS pro is real nice and has a touch more flow as the ramp on the LE is super steep, which means unless shot is perfect, a fair few get rejected.

Quoted from Bigbossfan:

Also, this struck me as odd. I had the coin door opened, let the ball come out of the toy box and power was still going to the slings, the bumpers etc. This normal?

Quoted from Pin_Guy:

Stern Pinball has released two recent service bulletins for this machine.
http://www.sternpinball.com/upload/service-bulletins/service-bulletin-189-core-node-stabilization/2235/Stern-SB189.pdf
http://www.sternpinball.com/upload/service-bulletins/service-bulletin-190-core-node-capacitor-service/2236/Stern-SB190.pdf
US customers should contact Stern Pinball, Inc. at 800-542-5377 or [email protected]
All customers outside of the US should contact their distributor.

Quoted from PW79:

Aerosmith... there’s just something special about it. We love ours
But when the heck will we get a skill shot, smart button implementation, outlane sounds, attract mode flipper button sounds, song selection bug resolution & some other ill shit?
I see there’s 2 tech bulletins requiring a spacer & capacitor. Is that related to the game resets & loud ass power supply that sounds like a hovercraft? The tech bulletin itemized symptoms vs fix but IMO it was sorta vague still somehow.

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

I got my Aerosmith pro this week, what a fast game. I have a problem with the ball eject. Very often I got 2 balls in the shooter lane.
Any idea how to fix that ?
Thanks
Greetings

Quoted from Coolpinballdino:

Hi guys I just unboxed my Aerosmith Le today and I noticed it has done this a few times during game play. I had 5 Balls locked in the toy box and then I started elavator multiball so it just released all my balls from the toy box. Is this a code glitch or is there a way to fix that thanks.

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

The test works fine, but i notice that the ball very often hangs at the end of the ball through (top), see picture.
Any idea how to fix that ??

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

Now I have an other problem. I only hear the bass and a summing tone from the backbox speaker
» YouTube video
Any idea ?

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

I think the reject problem is sloved. I had installed a pu shooter lane protectors. I removed it and i had no problems till now.
For the sound, I checked the connection but they are all ok. The cabinet speaker works but not the backbox speakers. I think the CPU board has a damage
Hope my dealer can fix it soon

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

Did anyone have a good color for powder coating the pro ? I think of a darker blue which will match with the cabinet but not so good with the playfield

Quoted from Hogey:

This has probably been covered before but I can't find it. The launch into the toybox is a great feature. However, I'm running into the balls being launched too high and hitting the top of the box and not entering the box. If it happens once, the subsequent shots also miss. Then I'll play a game and it's perfect. Does the launch recalibrate itself during gameplay? Is the strength of the launch adjustable, or am I better off leaving it alone and living with it?
Thanks.
Hogey

Quoted from cooked71:

I remember reading or hearing somewhere that there was an auto calibrate. Might have been on one of the early Stern Dead Flip streams. Mine hasn't really been a problem, and I definitely notice the auto-calibrate if it misses the first or 2nd time.

Quoted from cooked71:

Yeh, I think its pretty basic and seems to start again each game. Sort of like, Ball missed reduce power, Ball missed again increase power, etc until it gets it right. It really has no way of knowing if the ball went long or short, so that all it can do until it gets it.

Quoted from Bruce_Pickle:

I had a quick go at making some replacement coin cards yesterday as I couldn't find any I liked. If anyone wants a copy I'll do an A4 PDF when I get back to work on Mon. (Or you can download the Permanent Vacation cover and add some text like I did)

Quoted from joey__p__1966:

Aerosmith for 9 months now and never had a " special" . How do u light special?
Thanks ,

Quoted from pinden007:

I didn't think these existed. Anyone have a link/picture?
Thanks.

Quoted from MacLean:

100 games ... I wish you were my neighbour, Rotordave!

Quoted from attitude05:

I do want to by speaker mods. I was going to do art blades but I think mirrors look better.

Quoted from sirlonzelot:

My Aerosmith got confused today. Play the false song and animation in the Display missing.
Anyone else have this happen?

Quoted from RDReynolds:

Where did Stern say AS code was hitting in Feb? Not saying they didn’t just curious...

Quoted from Bruce_Pickle:

Is it possible to adjust the pop bumper power on an Aerosmtih Pro?
The power on my pop bumpers in the last month seems to have gone up for no reason and I couldn't find anything in the adjustment menu.
I'm wasting a lot of mode time when the ball gets stuck in a pop bumper mosh pit and the pop bumper skirts are chipping (3 month old machine)
Any help would be appreciated.

Quoted from Bruce_Pickle:

Thanks for the reply.
Will that affect all the coils or just the pop bumpers? (Everything is fine)

Quoted from Pinballology:

This is a screenshot of the video I took and sent to Stern and The Pinbal Company. The Toybox reaches its max height here and then closes. 50% of the time.......
I’ll keep this thread updated with my solution from Stern.

Quoted from pkrobin:

Please post a picture of that plunger cap. I can't picture what it is. I haven't had this issue in months but used to get it frequently. I didn't really do anything just moved the assembly manually a few times so i assume the issue will come back someday.

Quoted from pninja005:

So is AS better than MET?

Quoted from Rascal_H:

This game tears through sling rubbers! 2 titans and now this regular rubber (2.5”).

Quoted from Rascal_H:

I think the titans died so quick because they were 2”. That’s the size the manual calls for but definitely too tight. This latest one is just a 2.5” Pinball life white rubber.

Quoted from rotordave:

I always found the KISS right ramp really tight.
rd

Quoted from rotordave:

I’m talking about the ramp, not their wallets.
Did you hear when Vinnie Vincent joined KISS in 82, they paid him $500 a week?
He was playing in front of 200,000 people in Brazil. For a couple of hundred bucks ...
rd

Quoted from cooked71:

Tried a number of times backhanding the right ramp on my LE, including nudging whilst doing it, and no chance. 3/4 up (and then drain) was the best I could do. This was from a trapped ball.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Who else thinks Premium>Pro? Pro is pretty addictive. Is Premium worth the extra scratch? How does it change the gameplay?

Quoted from PW79:

Might want to wait until another code update before deciding
Stern says summer
Says

Quoted from rotordave:

Everyone who owns a Premium/LE will say their machines. Cause they will.
However, the pro is the way to go.
A/ it’s wayyyyyy cheaper
B/ got 90% of the stuff, and the other stuff isn’t required.
The only advantage I can see of the Prem/LE is Elevator MB is easier to start and so is double scoring. Does easier scoring make it worth around $1500-$2000 more?

Quoted from golfingdad1:

Uncle Sam decided to take rather than give this year to the tune of $4500

Quoted from PW79:

On the brightside your taxes will be complete by April 15th
The same cannot be said for Aerosmith

Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Completely forgot about a shaker.
Any issues with hooking a Red Tremor on this?
Is a shaker appropriately coded on this title?

Quoted from Spiderpin:

Where can I find the toy box kickout protector at. 300 game in and kick out is starting to round out.

Quoted from Spiderpin:

I've had my game 3 weeks now, 425 games in , when I was cleaning and wax playfield today the upper post between pops was super loose and ready to fall out. Just saying. As far as scoring I'm the one who needs to work on my game 140mI'll.

Quoted from Spiderpin:

Thanks for the info, I have red and blue, owne a couple Harleys. I've seen the ball spinning wildly at time and it may have been the cause. Wishing for some good code to come out. Been checking every day. One day I'll be surprised.

Quoted from merccat:

But then again Stern did just announce a Pro with 4 flippers and Drops! How the hell did they sneak that one by the BOM police? Anything is possible now lol.

Quoted from Spiderpin:

I hopeful it will have like high score for each song, more use of shaker motor. Call out for drain. at times it think my left flipper goes limp. I guess I got spoiled with TWD code. I'm ready to buy another pin but want to see Aerosmith developed.

Quoted from Spiderpin:

Yes I see that Lonnie R did software for both games. Let me say now that the next game that is a Stern will have Lyman S. Under the hood.

Quoted from Spiderpin:

I purchased this one without doing homework, my 8 year old niece want me to get a music pin. So I got one with a LCD screen. She likes it, and wife has played more games on this one in three week than in 8 year on some 11 pins I had. So I guess I can't complain. I still got my eye on GoT and something else.

Quoted from KingBW:

They look great. Mine have a high pitch sound coming from each of them. Do yours have that? Not super loud, but you can hear it when there is a pause in the game sounds. It's there all the time with the game powered up

Quoted from bgwilly31:

But the worse is plunge and firing out of pops to right out lane before you can blink.

Quoted from Pin_Guy:

I love my Metallica, its just too much fun not to like even though I was never a big Metallica fan. I don't recommend going with an LE or Premium on this one though as there are just too many issues with the Pre/LE magnet board that taint the enjoyment of the hammer and coffin lock mechs.

Quoted from rotordave:

This. The original flipper node board had a low voltage watchdog on it and that’s what caused the resets.
The later versions were modified somehow.
rd

Quoted from rotordave:

I was told by the local Stern tech that Stern told him (after 2 hours waiting on the phone) that the board had been updated. Whether that means they just changed this actual chip, or they made more detailed changes, I don’t know ...
rd

Quoted from WJxxxx:

IMHO the reason they don't broadcast that they've changed stuff like this is that would then be admitting that the original board, or code, or whatever, was faulty and causing the issue. That could then lead them open to lots of people claiming their costs back if they have had to buy replacements.
When there was the issue with Sparky coil locking on, there was nothing in the code update about a fix, but miraculously all of the issues disappeared (including on my machine)

Quoted from JOESCHALL:

Has anyone else had a problem with the custom message feature? I select CUSTOM MESSAGE ON (adjustment #41) and change the message by hand, but I have never seen it come up in Attract Mode.

Quoted from pinden007:

I do have that installed now, but the damage is already done. (this game was on route before I bought it)