I would venture to say that this is as appealing to me as an itchy rash, very itchy.

Star Wars - Ritchie / Dwight

I didn't shoot the messenger, just the message. Some of these chosen pinball themes of late are a real joke. Just shows the state of the industry at this time. Outlived and outdated.

Don't take it personally. I think a lot of the thumbs-down clicks were from people simply disagreeing with your predicted date, since Stern has said that their next pin will be announced in January.

Yes, it truly is.

For every person that doesn't buy into these old rock band pins there are two or three more that can't wait to spend 10k on a Styx LE.

You are taking it way too personally. A simple thumbs down in this case can mean a lot of things, but based on what many (including myself) are saying in this thread, it's quite likely that most of the thumbs down are due to the fact that we don't care for Aerosmith as a theme.

It's not as bad as WWE, but other than that one title, you would have to go back quite a few years to find a theme worse than this one for me personally.

LOL... I'd buy that before Aerosmith.

And then use the mod program to swap out for Cartman's version of Come Sail Away.

I'm not a huge Aerosmith fan either but there are a lot of factors that go into co-branding. Co-branding is a great strategy and you look for brands that your primary market segment identify with and brands that you can afford to bring in. The marketing arrangement has to help both brands. The Stones, KISS, AD/DC, Metallica and Aerosmith are all big brand, household names that still generate money with their brands, merchandise and fill mid-to large arenas. How many bands have their own rollercoaster at Disney World?

I haven't seen the market analysis for pinball but the primary market segment for pinball machines is likely older dudes that can afford to buy them. They're obviously selling because they keep making new rock pins. As long as it plays well and the art doesn't completely suck I'd be interested. The only showstopper for me is the hillbilly WWE theme. Just can't do that one. but I understand there is a huge market for that type of entertainment.

If it's fun to play, that's all that matters to me. I'd rock a Barry Manilow pin with Dirty Donny art. Copa Cabana multiball. Hells yes!

There are lots of ways this could be terrible. Definitely a theme that I find a turnoff. But you know what? With Borg/Lyman/Donnie it could also be great. Theme's already locked in, no amount of bitching will make it not happen, so why not just chill until you see the game?

Metallica is one of Stern's best games in my opinion, so as much as I find Aerosmith dull and uninspired you can't argue with the team's results.

Even though I'm not a huge ACDC fan, that was a great choice, so was metallica, but their music is timeless compared to Kiss and Aerooldfart. I see themes like the new Alien, Walking Dead, Star Trek, Ghostbusters(with the new movie re-release) as great choices - current pop culture that old AND a younger generation can enjoy. Stern's going to bury themselves if they don't choose their themes correctly. I'm sure they lost their shirt on WWE, and to some extend KISS, especially the LE. The market seems so limited for Aerooldfart - basically a small segment of people aged 45-60 years old. It's going to be an epic fail. If I had money to burn right now, I certainly would be looking at a different manufacturer. I don't know who makes these awful theme decisions unless the band is injecting some serious funds into making this game, which I bet is indeed happening. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

The aerosmith ride in hollywood studios at disney is pretty nice, but im not buying an aerosmith pin..no way, and i grew up on their early (good) stuff.

Im still waiting on a Matrix pin.

I love Dirty Donnys artwork but not enough to buy this pin. Holding out for Iron Maiden

That's why its on my radar.

I'm not buying Star Wars because its not Lyman. I love my GBLE but it could be so much more if they would finish it TWD style. Sorry Dwight.

Too much great stuff to choose from, a HUO pin has to have GREAT and DEEP code for me now and that means Lyman and Keith/Ted and we'll see about Alien.

I'd rather take an ass whipping than see an ABBA or Backstreet pin!

I'd love a Dirty Donny shirt but the're all black. Hate black tshirts.

Why not finish coding kiss before releasing another shitty old band no one cares about anymore.

Because Kiss isn't Lyman? Lyman will at least kick ass on code.

It's F ing aggravating.

I'm sure all of you have thought of this, sorry if the obvious has been stated in this thread, but Stern have targeted baby boomer themes to a great extent based on who has discresinary money to spend on $10,000 (and up for Batman66! ) Sorry for the run on sentence.
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This is Pinside, and we can (and most certainly WILL) bitch all we want before we even see a single picture of the pin.

Why? Because there isn't much to talk about other than the theme and the fact that it appears that Borg, Lyman and DD are the team working on this.

As much as I dislike the theme, I am not going to rule this one out because Lyman is my favorite programmer by far. But regardless of how great the ruleset is, and how good the layout that Borg comes up with is, the pin could have been better if it was attached to a better theme.

Better Aerosmith than Star Wars!

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Does everyone own all the games on their dream list and only have to worry now about getting the latest cookie cutter from Stern?

Just curious. There are lots of older games I'd rather own than a new Stern regardless of the theme. They are all very similar. Maybe Batman66 will be different, but I really doubt it.

The "Stand Up Paddle Board" mode.

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This has all the appeal of Rolling Stones VE with ghosting insert issues.

Uhh, didn't he just say he didn't care?

Yes. That's what he said.

Your point?

Great another fuckin wood chopping game unless Dwight wakes up.

I'm not really surprised by all the hate here, Metallica was the same way. Aerosmith is almost a mirror image of Metallica's career popularity, they both put out some great albums and had a good following, but after they had a big mainstream album it became cool to hate both of them for it. For some reason in the music industry, it seems like becoming popular generates large amounts of negativity.

Considering Metallica was a top 10 game made by the same team, has less mainstream music, and was completely ridiculed before being revealed, I would think Aerosmith would have a pretty good chance of being decent. My biggest concern would be that I don't think Dirty Donny art necessarily goes with Aerosmith, in fact I think that's probably going to be the downfall if anything, not the music.

Can't argue with that. I get the need for licenses, they sell. But there's an entire world out there, millions of options. Why settle for such a boring, tired, over-exposed band? They've had two video games made about them, and one was on the Wii, that's the definition of overdone. If I was in highschool still I'd probably call them sellouts.

And I'm mad about it because I'm a customer for a Borg/Lyman/Donnie game, Metallica is the only LE I own (I have an ACDC Premium too, not a Stern band pin hater obviously), I want to see what the team does this time. But Aerosmith ... I don't want to listen to that, or even see their logo in my garage. It's worse than dull, it's straight up unappealing. And if it's packed full of songs like Love in an Elevator ... I just can't take listening to that repeatedly when I'm playing.

Music pins seem like they always polarize, music is so personal, I'm ready for companies to stop making them. Iron Maiden is a rumor again, but Pinside won't be mad about that! Not a game for Donnie's art though IMHO.

From what I've heard it looks like his current work, so just look at his recent stuff, or even the Pabst pin, and you'll probably get the idea. Maybe it will only be old music to go with the oldschool art style. That would help some if they lost all the pop hits.

Yea I could see it being good, dont care for the band really but it could be like metallica that way that its fun to play but the theme is meh. Time will tell!

I heard today that the art is awesome on it. Personally I find it a waste of dd talents.

Oh well. Plenty of other games to enjoy

I hate to admit it, but I think the hate-on is a bit preemptive. Like, I don't want to be the one having to defend AEROSMITH, but if the table was bottom-heavy on the first half of their catalog, didn't have photoshop of their current look, and celebrated their history, I think it has a real chance of being pretty great.
I am NOT an Aerosmith fan, but I still grew up with them in the 80s and can't help enjoying some of their classics.

And then toss in Borg, Lyman, DD, and it might just be another Metallica.

Also, if they redid the theme as a Golden Girls limited edition, I am sure they could sell as many as they are of Batman 66...

Borg, Lyman, DD are huge pluses for me but I REALLY can't get past the band. If it turned out to be a killer pin, and you can pinball browser off all of aerosmith maybe.

Irony, the butthurt dude downvotes you based on your opinion lol.

Hey Captain Obvious! J/K

Aerosmith probably has the strangest history of album sales of any rock band. They started off between 1973 to 1977 doing very well. Then they went through a dark period (drug problems) from 1978 to 1986 during which their album sales were poor by their standards. Then they had a re-birth from 1987 to 1993 where they had huge sales numbers. Then they faded quickly from album by album.

If you look at the music they recorded from 1973 to 1977 and from 1987 to 1993 they have a lot of music that gets regular play on classic rock stations to this day.

I choose to judge them based on their best music rather than what they have done the last 10 years.

You nailed it! I'm sure Stern are aware of what pinheads want and what Aerosmith fans want. This is why they're putting the big guns on this project. Some great rock songs (no soppy ballads) and this should he a fun pin. I'm not going to lose it over the theme just yet. The band isn't a favourite of mine, but there seemed to be a lot of people hating on Metallica until they actually saw and played it.

Good point on being bottom heavy on the first half of their catalog. Stern didn't include "I Was Made For Loving You" in KISS, so I'm guessing they will do a similar thing with Aerosmith.

At the end of the day, there are that many great machines coming out, it will just make it an easier decision to pass on it if you don't like the theme.

Spider-Man VE?

Aerosmith is the best selling American rock band of all-time.

If it's a fun game, it'll sell.

Right now, I've got Springsteen, Skynyrd, Pat Benatar, Queen, Boston, The Cars, The Stones and my favorite Ac/dc songs in my premium.

I'd do the same thing with Aerosmith. Already know the art will be great, Borg is my favorite designer and Lyman is the real king!

Me too. It might be a great player but I'd rather put my genitalia in the hands of a madman with a meat tenderiser than listen to Aerosmith.
Dude looks like a lady ? Fuck off.

Gross man...really... ugh.

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Next up after Aerosmith a New version of GNR!!

I would be interested!

So now it appears LYMAN is not doing Aerosmith; let's hope it's not Lonnie on it guess we will all find out soon enough

I hope it is Lonnie, save Lyman for a theme that I actually like.