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Advice on BSD


By Metzu

8 months ago



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“Advice on BSD”

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#1 8 months ago

what should i know about BSD im going to see one that its for sale.also any coments on this title will be great!

#2 8 months ago

-Look for planking on the playfield by the slings.
-Make sure the mist mech works.
-Check for wear on the rat hole.
-Make sure the ramps are are ok.

BSD is one of my personal favorite machines. I do own one and play it almost daily. The only thing I don’t like about the game is that it is very time consuming to shop. Good luck with the purchase. You could be buying one of the best.

#3 8 months ago

Do what I do when looking at any game for sale. Yes, I'm concerned about the look of the playfield and the cabinet. But maybe even more so, the condition of the inside. Open the head and lift the playfield. How black is the underside of the playfield and the inside of the cabinet? How many hacks can you see? For every one you see, there will five you don't.

#4 8 months ago

Easiest and the first thing I look at is the state of the batteries. Any leakage on the boards could be a big problem. Even if they look new, replace.

#5 8 months ago

Also check for playfield wear where the ball drops on launch. Mine had some when I got it, but I wasn't really concerned because you can't really see it during gameplay, and can you can usually prevent further wear by adding a piece of mylar on that spot.

#6 8 months ago
Quoted from toastbot:

Also check for playfield wear where the ball drops on launch. Mine had some when I got it, but I wasn't really concerned because you can't really see it during gameplay, and can you can usually prevent further wear by adding a piece of mylar on that spot.

Agreed. This was the worst spot on my otherwise decent BSD. Every ball that gets launched into play lands in that spot. My game had the silkscreened graphics cracked but complete in that area, however the wood was soft beneath the graphics. You could press on it and see it give a little. That was a fun repair to do, but once repaired, touched up and mylared, it's fine. I just wish someone put mylar there years ago.

#7 8 months ago

I'm surprised that nobody said Nothing about the reStarts does the Daughter boards works for this issue?

#8 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

I'm surprised that nobody said Nothing about the reStarts does the Daughter boards works for this issue?

I don't have issues with restarts on my BSD, but it could happen at any time on these 90's W/B games, and I'm sure the Kahr daughterboards would work on them if you didn't want to do the board fixes required to remedy the problem. I've used Kahr daughterboards on my other W/B games produced the same year as BSD with no problems.

#9 8 months ago

My restarts were solved by replacing the bridges and caps. So I see it as a nonissue.

#10 8 months ago

I would focus more on condition and things like battery corrosion than whether the game resets.

#11 8 months ago

Pretty basic stuff, but make sure mist multiball and the castle lock are working properly. I had to adjust my castle lock to prevent it from spitting out two balls at the same time. I also had to adjust the VUK on the left side of the playfield. It's a great game though. Hopefully you can find a way to bring it home.

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#12 8 months ago

Make sure this is a title you really want.

BSD gets a ton of love on this board. Based upon that, I bought one after playing one once or twice. I couldn't wait to sell it.

To me, it's boring. Gloomy. Not a lot of fun.

Most love it, but there are a few that think it's way way overrated and a snooze fest.

#13 8 months ago
Quoted from Spagano314:

-Look for planking on the playfield by the slings.
-Make sure the mist mech works.
-Check for wear on the rat hole.
-Make sure the ramps are are ok.
BSD is one of my personal favorite machines. I do own one and play it almost daily. The only thing I don’t like about the game is that it is very time consuming to shop. Good luck with the purchase. You could be buying one of the best.

What he said. If you like challenging pins and monster/horror pins this is THE ONE to own. It's a Top 5 90s pin for me and #1 most challenging and #1 most instense and #1 most satisfying multi-ball stack. It's pretty much the opposite of corny and easy Monster Bash

#14 8 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

What he said. If you like challenging pins and monster/horror pins this is THE ONE to own. It's a Top 5 90s pin for me and #1 most challenging and #1 most instense and #1 most satisfying multi-ball stack. It's pretty much the opposite of corny and easy Monster Bash

Yes i have played it before i know its hard but again a lot of people says fish tales its hard too and i own one and i dont think if that hard and you can always set it easier 4 balls ect right

Do you own a BSD?

#15 8 months ago

Oh and tell me about the price of this title its going for

#16 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

Oh and tell me about the price of this title its going for

its true that Gary oldman did the call outs for it???

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#17 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

Oh and tell me about the price of this title its going for

Starts at 3k when functional, going up from there based on condition

Quoted from Metzu:

its true that Gary oldman did the call outs for it???[quoted image]

Yes, he did the call outs. Some lines taken from movie, but others were recorded just for the pin. Extra ball!!

#18 8 months ago

Still one my favorites after 3 years of ownership and thousands and thousands of games.

#19 8 months ago

Love my drac. Favorite as a kid and still my favorite after owning for almost 4 years.

But pretty much everything has been covered. Planking is common on this game.

And when checking the mist use the test in the menu. Those optos can cause problems but any issues have been covered pretty in depth on here

honestly bsd has been the most reliable game I have owned. But that's different for everyone

#20 8 months ago
Quoted from Phat_Jay:

Starts at 3k when functional, going up from there based on condition

I suppose im up for a great deal then need to check on it tho

Yes, he did the call outs. Some lines taken from movie, but others were recorded just for the pin. Extra ball!!

I didnt know that!

Quoted from bigd1979:

Still one my favorites after 3 years of ownership and thousands and thousands of games.

Interesting i guess i should get it

#21 8 months ago
Quoted from timtim:

Love my drac. Favorite as a kid and still my favorite after owning for almost 4 years.
But pretty much everything has been covered. Planking is common on this game.
And when checking the mist use the test in the menu. Those optos can cause problems but any issues have been covered pretty in depth on here
honestly bsd has been the most reliable game I have owned. But that's different for everyone

Seller says that "everything works"

#22 8 months ago
Quoted from Phat_Jay:

Starts at 3k when functional, going up from there based on condition

Yes, he did the call outs. Some lines taken from movie, but others were recorded just for the pin. Extra ball!!

Did sir Hopkins too recorded the callouts for it?

#23 8 months ago

I will never let mine go. I have had it for around 4-5 years. Many many pins have come and gone. BSD is a keeper. Def not a boring gloomy pin. It takes a bit to really get into the game. Once you stack all 3 multiballs there is nothing better in all of pinball in my opinion. Every shot counts in this game. Masterpiece.

#24 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

Yes i have played it before i know its hard but again a lot of people says fish tales its hard too and i own one and i dont think if that hard and you can always set it easier 4 balls ect right
Do you own a BSD?

I have owned it 3 times. I would own it again. I can't get enough!

Stacking all 3 multi-balls on BSD is very hard and incredibly rewarding. Thiiiiiiiiirrrty Million!

#25 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

Oh and tell me about the price of this title its going for

Thirty Million....

#26 8 months ago
Quoted from lpeters82:

Pretty basic stuff, but make sure mist multiball and the castle lock are working properly. I had to adjust my castle lock to prevent it from spitting out two balls at the same time. I also had to adjust the VUK on the left side of the playfield. It's a great game though. Hopefully you can find a way to bring it home.

I didnt get the spitting out two balls at the same time part

#27 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

I didnt get the spitting out two balls at the same time part

He is referencing the castle lock. It is a single pole that drops for brief periods of time to release one ball at a time. If it is out of adjustment or the mechanism is sticking, more than one ball will release when only one should be released.

Dont let the discussion of 5v reset issues from the main BSD thread have you gunshy. ANY B/W pin from 1992 to 1998 can suffer from this at any time if the game has not been bullet proofed.

Dont be scared to buy it. This game has been thoroughly documented in the main thread as well as various threads all over Pinside. Nearly any issue can be addressed by someone on the forums.

This was by far the game I cut my teeth with when learning pinball repair and diagnostics, although my TAF came in a close 2nd place. We can help you; be prepared to learn a lot as some of the issues can seem a bit daunting to diagnose at first. Read, read, read the main thread. Lors of information and knowledge there.

#28 8 months ago

can somebody explain me about pinsound? its the same sounds with better quality or are them diffrent sound/callouts/music?

#29 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

can somebody explain me about pinsound? its the same sounds with better quality or are them diffrent sound/callouts/music?

Pinsound is a developed hardware board that brings true stereo sound to your sound system. It is absolutely incredible in terms of what it can offer, but there are a couple edges that need to be filed:

1. It is user friendly, but not so easy a monkey can do it. To people who are used to installing a ColorDMD or updating code on a Stern, installing PinSound is pretty easy. The board comes with a solid set of instructions; however, some people struggle with swapping boards and tend to hook things up wrong. Just go slowly, and you should be ok.

2. The original sounds will lack severely in audio quality compared to any soundset available from the Pinsound forums. Its sometimes an "all or none" solution with replacing old sounds for new ones. The originals suffer from horrible compression and lowpower. You pretty much will be replacing all old sounds and music for new ones.

3. It takes time to learn. You can create your own Pinsound soundsets. I mean, that's how these sound packages are getting made available; people are taking the time to do them and provide their efforts as downloadable filesets. If you plan to do this yourself, it can be a bit of a learning curve....

4. Expensive. For one game, no big deal, but if you look to swap boards in a 5+ pin collection at $379, it can get expensive quickly.

Just a couple things to consider before putting the money down. BSD does have a solid Pinsound fileset available. Look for it on YouTube....

#30 8 months ago
Quoted from NPO:

Pinsound is a developed hardware board that brings true stereo sound to your sound system. It is absolutely incredible in terms of what it can offer, but there are a couple edges that need to be filed:
1. It is user friendly, but not so easy a monkey can do it. To people who are used to installing a ColorDMD or updating code on a Stern, installing PinSound is pretty easy. The board comes with a solid set of instructions; however, some people struggle with swapping boards and tend to hook things up wrong. Just go slowly, and you should be ok.
2. The original sounds will lack severely in audio quality compared to any soundset available from the Pinsound forums. Its sometimes an "all or none" solution with replacing old sounds for new ones. The originals suffer from horrible compression and lowpower. You pretty much will be replacing all old sounds and music for new ones.
3. It takes time to learn. You can create your own Pinsound soundsets. I mean, that's how these sound packages are getting made available; people are taking the time to do them and provide their efforts as downloadable filesets. If you plan to do this yourself, it can be a bit of a learning curve....
4. Expensive. For one game, no big deal, but if you look to swap boards in a 5+ pin collection at $379, it can get expensive quickly.
Just a couple things to consider before putting the money down. BSD does have a solid Pinsound fileset available. Look for it on YouTube....

BSD has a set that its diffrent from the stock one?

#31 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

BSD has a set that its diffrent from the stock one?

The Pinsound mix is entirely different than stock BSD audio, and far creepier. By a lot. Like "Give little kids nightmares" levels of creepy.

The audio has never been my favorite part of the game, but I was blown away by the video of the Pinsound mix for BSD using original movie audio. I went to order a Pinsound board for BSD on Friday, and the mix was missing from the Pinsound site. Was I too late?? Arrggh!

I contacted the mix's author here, and was very happy to hear some great news from him--he has updated the BSD Pinsound mix to smooth out audio levels, and the new BSD mix is in the approval process on the Pinsound site. Board order made! Can't wait. Will do it again for STTNG too.

The BSD flyer hints that the game was designed for advanced players, and that was fair of them to say. BSD will frustrate most players, but if you're skilled or are willing to make the effort, the game is extremely rewarding. Ride "the 30 million wave" the first time, and you will totally understand.

In my mildly related opinion, Iron Man is BSD's "kid brother"--not a lot of depth on paper, mean and nasty to casuals, but man, once you get it, "just one more game"......

#32 8 months ago
Quoted from PsychoPsonic:

The Pinsound mix is entirely different than stock BSD audio, and far creepier. By a lot. Like "Give little kids nightmares" levels of creepy.
The audio has never been my favorite part of the game, but I was blown away by the video of the Pinsound mix for BSD using original movie audio. I went to order a Pinsound board for BSD on Friday, and the mix was missing from the Pinsound site. Was I too late?? Arrggh!
I contacted the mix's author here, and was very happy to hear some great news from him--he has updated the BSD Pinsound mix to smooth out audio levels, and the new BSD mix is in the approval process on the Pinsound site. Board order made! Can't wait. Will do it again for STTNG too.
The BSD flyer hints that the game was designed for advanced players, and that was fair of them to say. BSD will frustrate most players, but if you're skilled or are willing to make the effort, the game is extremely rewarding. Ride "the 30 million wave" the first time, and you will totally understand.
In my mildly related opinion, Iron Man is BSD's "kid brother"--not a lot of depth on paper, mean and nasty to casuals, but man, once you get it, "just one more game"......

This guy gets it. Hard to piggyback or top that succinct review! I remember riding the 30M wave the first time. Think I heard the 30M callout once because I was so in shock that I had obtained 3x MB that my nerves froze and I couldn't make any shots, but I knew I wanted to do it again!!! Thus, the vicious "one more game" cycle rinses and repeats....

Get one when you can. I am hearing this game starts at $3000 now....? Wow, I remember when it was $1200 all day long. I think that was before Bowen's tutorial came out - then the game became pretty hot and stayed at the $2500 mark for a long time. Sounds like with the plastics and ramps w/decals now available as well as PinSound and ColorDMD support, the game has gotten some well-deserved attention.

OP, don't be in an insane hurry to get one. They come up fairly regularly. This isn't Data East's King Kong or Bally's Bigfoot - they show up when you least expect it or stop searching the internet everyday. Trust me, you get one - just keep logic ahead of emotion and take a fellow pinball owner or Pinsider with you - especially one that knows this game well. They'll be there to keep your feet on the ground when you start rationalizing "oh, I can fix that." when there's something like an ax sticking right out of the middle of the playfield.

#33 8 months ago
Quoted from NPO:

This guy gets it. Hard to piggyback or top that succinct review! I remember riding the 30M wave the first time. Think I heard the 30M callout once because I was so in shock that I had obtained 3x MB that my nerves froze and I couldn't make any shots, but I knew I wanted to do it again!!! Thus, the vicious "one more game" cycle rinses and repeats....
Get one when you can. I am hearing this game starts at $3000 now....? Wow, I remember when it was $1200 all day long. I think that was before Bowen's tutorial came out - then the game became pretty hot and stayed at the $2500 mark for a long time. Sounds like with the plastics and ramps w/decals now available as well as PinSound and ColorDMD support, the game has gotten some well-deserved attention.
OP, don't be in an insane hurry to get one. They come up fairly regularly. This isn't Data East's King Kong or Bally's Bigfoot - they show up when you least expect it or stop searching the internet everyday. Trust me, you get one - just keep logic ahead of emotion and take a fellow pinball owner or Pinsider with you - especially one that knows this game well. They'll be there to keep your feet on the ground when you start rationalizing "oh, I can fix that." when there's something like an ax sticking right out of the middle of the playfield.

im so curious about the pinsound mix about this title its there a way that i can hear it?

#34 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

im so curious about the pinsound mix about this title its there a way that i can hear it?

i just saw it jesus christ!

omg wtf its this audio i though the stock audio was good but this its....

#35 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

i just saw it jesus christ!
omg wtf its this audio i though the stock audio was good but this its....

how can i get this pinsound ?

its this available?

no matter how much i try i cant register on the pinside website the never send the email confirmation

#36 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

how can i get this pinsound ?

its this available?

#37 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

how can i get this pinsound ?

its this available?
no matter how much i try i cant register on the pinside website the never send the email confirmation

Wow that pinsound is very cool. The only problem with that video is it looks like that BSD had normal wpc flippers (I could be wrong). The lightning flippers really make BSD the son of a bitch pin that it is. You truly don't get to appreciate the 30 million unless its a rare event... But man after watching this video I think BSD may be the one pin to fork over the big bucks on a pinsound board.

Great game... get one and play it... if you hate it selling it will not be an issue. It was the first pin I bought back in the late 90's. Got the itch for another pin so I sold it after a couple years. Within a few weeks i knew I had made a mistake. It took me a year to find another and its been in the collection for 17 years. The game is humbling and I love stacking the mulitballs would take a ridiculous offer to get rid of mine. The value has skyrocketed in the last year or so. 3k seams to be the equilibrium price for a decent one.

Things to watch for: Planking playfields there are quite of few with these issues seemed to be an issue in 93-94 (doesn't affect play so you could save some bucks by buying one with planking). Mist operation is key as fixing an intermittent MIST issue can be quite difficult to diagnose.

Don't fail here tonight!
Al

#38 8 months ago
Quoted from Deadlander:

Wow that pinsound is very cool. The only problem with that video is it looks like that BSD had normal wpc flippers (I could be wrong). The lightning flippers really make BSD the son of a bitch pin that it is. You truly don't get to appreciate the 30 million unless its a rare event... But man after watching this video I think BSD may be the one pin to fork over the big bucks on a pinsound board.
Great game... get one and play it... if you hate it selling it will not be an issue. It was the first pin I bought back in the late 90's. Got the itch for another pin so I sold it after a couple years. Within a few weeks i knew I had made a mistake. It took me a year to find another and its been in the collection for 17 years. The game is humbling and I love stacking the mulitballs would take a ridiculous offer to get rid of mine. The value has skyrocketed in the last year or so. 3k seams to be the equilibrium price for a decent one.
Things to watch for: Planking playfields there are quite of few with these issues seemed to be an issue in 93-94 (doesn't affect play so you could save some bucks by buying one with planking). Mist operation is key as fixing an intermittent MIST issue can be quite difficult to diagnose.
Don't fail here tonight!
Al

thank you for your advices!

so if the mist its working thats it? other than the common things to watch for like flippers VUKS ect?

#39 8 months ago

does this machine has the lighting flippers? i cant tell

#40 8 months ago

Nope

#41 8 months ago

They dont look like lightning flippers to me anywisss! But did u pick up that BSD yet?!

#42 8 months ago
Quoted from Metzu:

how can i get this pinsound ?

its this available?
no matter how much i try i cant register on the pinside website the never send the email confirmation

That’s the same Pinsound mix I run in my game. It’s freaking awesome! Really added to the game.

BSD became my grail pin for a while. I kept looking, but it took a while to find a good copy. I finally did about 7 years ago, and it’s still here. I overpaid at the time, but didn’t care because it was in pretty nice shape.

Like every game, it has its fans and detractors. I love it, because when everything lines up, the 30 million is awesome. And when it doesn’t, the start button awaits!

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