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Adding the black rings to my inserts?

By tscottn

4 years ago


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#1 4 years ago

Hi,

Im about to replace the inserts on my Gottlieb Subway as they are just too far warped to fix or live with. Replacing them is the easy part.. Im struggling with the best way to add the Black rings on the inserts themselves. I would really like to paint them but im not sure how good that will come out or how to go about making a template for that.. Someone suggested Decals, Not sure how this will look or wear over time.. What say you guys..? Thanks

#2 4 years ago

Sometimes I touch up the keylines with paint. However, I'm careful about it looking original, so that it doesn't look sloppy and hand-painted, and that the shade of black matches rather than using the paint straight out of the bottle. A nice, fine brush and steady hand also helps a great deal.

I've seen some games that have used ring decals. Sometimes it looks ok, but sometimes it just looks like someone put stickers everywhere. If you're just trying to fix one or two problem areas, sure, it's probably fine. But I wouldn't put them everywhere.

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#3 4 years ago

I’m about to reveal my secret method.

I use an oil based paint marker pen, and a stencil. Works mint!!

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#4 4 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

I’m about to reveal my secret method.
I use an acrylic paint marker pen, and a stencil. Works mint!!
rd[quoted image]

thats a great idea! what marker do you use exactly? what kind of tip?

#5 4 years ago
Quoted from tscottn:

thats a great idea! what marker do you use exactly? what kind of tip?

I updated my post - I used to use acrylic, I changed to these oil base ones last year. The paint is harder wearing.

You should be able to buy these around the world. I have a bunch and use the different tip sizes. The 4mm ones are also good for cabinet touch ups.

https://www.gordonharris.co.nz/category/1932-pebeo-4artist-oil-based-paint-markers

rd

#6 4 years ago

I cut stencils using a vinyl cutter and paint them on with an airbrush.

#7 4 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

I updated my post - I used to use acrylic, I changed to these oil base ones last year. The paint is harder wearing.
You should be able to buy these around the world. I have a bunch and use the different tip sizes. The 4mm ones are also good for cabinet touch ups.
https://www.gordonharris.co.nz/category/1932-pebeo-4artist-oil-based-paint-markers
rd

awesome.. im going to give this a go. Thanks

#8 4 years ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:I cut stencils using a vinyl cutter and paint them on with an airbrush.

yeah that would be the best way however i dont have much exp in airbrushing..

#9 4 years ago

@rotodave suggestion is quick easy and foolproof, if not permanent .
If you are adventurous you can remove everything from the playfield , clearcoat it , apply decals and do minor touch ups , clear coat again , sand and buff to your liking.
Vid describes all that below .
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-ultimate-playfield-restoration/page/6#post-888283

#10 4 years ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

I cut stencils using a vinyl cutter and paint them on with an airbrush.

Would you be willing to put up some pics of how you cut and apply your stencils? That would be a tremendous help for understanding how it is done.

Thanks

#12 4 years ago

I actually use liquid frisket and a circle template. Spray the inner circle with frisket and an airbrush. Then the outter circle with black. Then pull up the frisket and it turns out really good.

#13 4 years ago
Quoted from Tomass:

I actually use liquid frisket and a circle template. Spray the inner circle with frisket and an airbrush. Then the outter circle with black. Then pull up the frisket and it turns out really good.

This sounds very interesting. Sounds low cost. And low tech.

Is the liquid frisket easy to obtain? Is it easy to spray with the air brush?

I would look like to know more.

#14 4 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Would you be willing to put up some pics of how you cut and apply your stencils? That would be a tremendous help for understanding how it is done.
Thanks

Thought I had some good pictures of the process but I couldn’t find them . If all goes well today I will be doing one ring on a playfield I am currently working on and I will take some pictures.

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

This sounds very interesting. Sounds low cost. And low tech.
Is the liquid frisket easy to obtain? Is it easy to spray with the air brush?
I would look like to know more.

Yes, I got mine from amazon. I use an acrylic tip for my airbrush that has a metal needle to keep it clear. I have had really good results.

#16 4 years ago
Quoted from Tomass:

Yes, I got mine from amazon. I use an acrylic tip for my airbrush that has a metal needle to keep it clear. I have had really good results.

Well, how do you do the circle?

#17 4 years ago

A circle template. Sorry, you must have missed my first post. Circle template for the inside and airbrush liquid frisket. Then a larger circle and paint it black. Then pull the frisket.

#18 4 years ago
Quoted from Tomass:

A circle template. Sorry, you must have missed my first post. Circle template for the inside and airbrush liquid frisket. Then a larger circle and paint it black. Then pull the frisket.

Thanks.

#19 4 years ago

I’m not quite ready to paint but I did do a mock-up on a playfield I’m working on . I’ve already completed the rings on this one .

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#20 4 years ago

You can cut rings but I’ve found it easier to cut two separate size circles to make a ring (just seems easier to place . ) So I cut sheets of the inner size (which I use the circle itself) and the outer size which uses the outline.

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#21 4 years ago

I place the inner circle first .

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#22 4 years ago

Then the outer. At this point I would also use masking tape to mask off an area a little further around the stencil to avoid any overspray. I spray two coats with automotive paint ( acrylic works fine as well ) and I end up with a very nice outline .

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#23 4 years ago

This is the cutter that I use , this model can be bought at a very reasonable price . Mine is wide enough that I can cut Cabinet stencils also . These cutters come with programs to run them that are very easy to use .

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#24 4 years ago

Once masked the outlines could be painted in with a brush , but using the airbrush doesn’t really require any airbrushing skills and it puts on a nice even coat of paint .

#25 4 years ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

I place the inner circle first .[quoted image]

Probably a dumb question but how do you get the inner circle centered? Especially when the key lines were not necessarily lined up perfectly.

#26 4 years ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Probably a dumb question but how do you get the inner circle centered? Especially when the key lines were not necessarily lined up perfectly.

Just by eye. You can sometimes fix the not perfect lines by making the outline just a bit thicker (inner circle smaller , outer larger ) then you can shift your line a bit and bury (cover up) the not perfect original . Some outlines from factory are pretty far off and you can make them better but not exactly perfect . But I figure if they came from the factory off and I correct them for the better that is acceptable if they aren’t exactly perfect.

#27 4 years ago

This is a ring masked off and airbrushed.

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