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Adding a powered sub inside the cabinet?

By Luckydogg420

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

Has anyone done this before? I’m thinking about a modern Stern (I own GoT). How difficult would it be to remove the base cabinet speaker and install a powered sub in its place? You could use the existing speaker wire, install an amp and new speaker and your good to go; right? It could be plugged into the service outlet or tapped in, to get power from the game.

Would it be better to leave the original cabinet speaker and add a 2nd speaker (powered sub) into the back of the pin. Either cut a new hole for the 2nd speaker or use an in-wall induction speaker that mounts onto the cabinet. If it’s just for bass sound quality shouldn’t be to much of an issue.

What about upgrading the stock speakers to a flipper fidelity package. Would that be enough that you wouldn’t want to add an external sub.

#6 6 years ago
Quoted from sparechange1974:

I've found the best way is just add an external sub and place underneath the game. Run wires through back, attach alligator clips and done. I would not invest in another sub to be place in cabinet, I don't think the cabinets are properly suited to give quality sound with a free air sub. When you're done with game, simply remove the wires and move to the next one.
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I understand that this is the easiest way to add some bass, but I’m not keen on having a sub on the floor under the pin. I’d prefer an option enclosed in the game.

Quoted from TheLaw:

You put a powered sub touching the cabinet it's going to be shaker city. Most people do external

I have a shaker on my game and I guarantee you that no speaker would move a cabinet as much as a shaker motor does. Unless of course it’s a 15” sub playing a loud 20hrz signal. Music playing bass wouldn’t have as noticeable of an effect as a shaker motor.

Quoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:

The answer is yes, the Flipper Fidelity 10" package is enough that you won't care about a powered sub. I've installed a lot of Pinball Pro and Flipper Fidelity kits. Have also done some do-it-yourself speaker upgrades (coax speakers plus woofer with crossover and L-pad). I've done the external powered sub thing too. Mostly WPC, but some SAM, Whitestar, WPC-95 and Spike as well. So far, my experience has been that the Flipper Fidelity packages are fantastic in Spike and WPC-95 games. You would probably be delighted with the Flipper Fidelity 10" kit in a GOT. I installed one in my Ghostbusters and it's well worth it.

So the flipper fidelity package is a huge upgrade over the stock speakers, but is it as noticeable as a sub on the floor? My stock speakers are loud enough for the room, but I’d prefer a more full sound with rich deep bass.

#13 6 years ago
Quoted from Pugsley:

Putting one in the cabinet will cause the glass to vibrate and make horrible noises.

Oh, I agree that the glass may rattle, but noting like a shaker motor will do. IMHO

Quoted from Pugsley:

Or you can take that sub apart and use its amp and speaker in your cabinet. No guarantee it will sound any good but you could do it.

I built a virtual pin from scratch and used a 2.1 plate amp with 2 coax speakers and a sub in the bottom of the cabinet. That worked out well. I didn’t notice and glass rattle; although I do currently hear the glass in Game of Thrones when the shaker goes off. (Maybe my build quality is better then Sterns)
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Quoted from PinRob:

Your not going to get rich deep bass from mounting a sub inside the cabinet. A pinball cabinet isn’t really a good enclosure to give you acoustics like a external sub will do.

This is very true. For great sound you need to have an enclosure tuned for your speaker. I have great sound from my home theater, this is just pinball. It could be better but I’m not hoping for anything to spectacular.

Quoted from sparechange1974:

The sub in the cabinet will never be as good as stand alone powered under cab

Ok. I agree that a stand alone sub would sound the best. ( but for sake of argument let’s say that a sub on the floor won’t work for this location)

Quoted from Grizlyrig:

Seeing you don't like the idea of a sub on the floor and just adding after market speakers can really tax the amp on sound board and cause all sorts of issues.

I always thought that FF systems came with an additional amp to power them. If not then they’re outta the question. What’s their special sauce? Just A crossover?

I think that it would work fairly well and could sound much better then original. Just by adding a powered amp like Spooky Pinball does and swapping out the cabinet speaker with a matched sub. Something with a variable crossover so that you could tune it to sound best for the game it’s in.

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