If you are on Facebook, there is a closed group for WPC remake builds. Lots of the guys have made drawings and such of the unobtainable parts. wallybgood might be able to help you.
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If you are on Facebook, there is a closed group for WPC remake builds. Lots of the guys have made drawings and such of the unobtainable parts. wallybgood might be able to help you.
Fyi I am building a scared stiff from a playfield. I'm using homebrew controllers based on OPP and pinmame for the ROMs. Over a year and a half or so, I've picked up every assembly that was individualized. The rest is generic or can be manufactured. It's not impossible.
Quoted from wxforecaster:In the middle of a TAF playfield swap. I wouldn't wish building this wiring harness on my worst enemy.
I think building it from scratch would be better than fixing an existing one.
A source for several parts: https://mantispinball.com/product-category/addams-family/
Just an idea. I opted to forgo the original WPC circuitry on mine. I used a modified Open Pinball Project(OPP) system to control the playfield and then used a Raspberry Pi 3(about to switch to the much more powerful Pi 4) with Pinmame to emulate the ROMs. I'm doing all of the coding myself, so it's going slow but steady. I've got the machine driving the DMD and the switches and solenoids are driven via I2C serial I/O chips from a Teensy 3.5. It's a similar setup to my homebrew game, with the Pinmame swapped for Mission Pinball Framework.
So, if you weren't keen on figuring out the wiring harness, there are options. My Scared Stiff wiring will look very different from a stock machine.
Quoted from orangegsx:I dunno maybe I’m crazy but the wiring harness doesn’t seem like that crazy of a thing to make.
I would agree. Pick a subsystem, wire one piece, make a note of it, on to the next.
I was simply offering a second route if the OP wanted it.
4k? Doesn't that vpin place sell a flat pack for $99? The rest of the odds and ends can't be more than $200, and I'm stretching to say it would cost that much. I picked up a used sys 11 head with parts that could sub into a wpc for $20.
This has to be sarcasm
Quoted from Mbecker:Loose wires become a mess quickly - not as easy as it sounds. Possible - sure. Def less $$ if not replicating color coded wires per original but extra work and diligence. Fun? Probably not too much.
Bundle them as you go. Zip tie the finished wiring, use stand offs with wire holders. Include wiring tags before the connectors. Write out your tags before wiring so you aren't trying to remember the tag->component mapping in the middle of the work.
I tend to be pathologically disorganized, so I recognize the problem and build work habits around it.
Quoted from Passave:Btw, I am a girl
My apologies for an unwarranted assumption.
That's an impressive backbox. You should create a thread for your work.
Quoted from pinlink:This thread is sad. This poor guy won't listen to reason, and is going to dump a ton of money into this only to end up with a pile of parts that he will never get his money back on.
You know that there are groups of people doing this on a regular basis, right?
I've got 4 active projects. I swap between them as my interest changes and parts arrive. I'm shopping a Baywatch, almost done rebuilding a basketcase Blackout, working on my own version of Stranger Things and a playfield up build of a Scared Stiff(with custom controller boards running with a pinmame emulation). The OP's project seems tame compared to the sisyphean task I've set myself.
So, yes, if you just want a running pinball machine, buy one. If you just want to experience a rebuild, buy a busted one. But if your groove is big, crazy projects where you create something... well, I get it and I'm rooting for you.
Quoted from ryan1234:If I have the manual for a pinball machine that shows connection points, I rarely look at wire color...
I also rarely trust wire color- I do 100% trust testing conductivity.
Amen. I've used wire color to track down things before, but it was once out of many, many times(rewiring a drop target from scratch). Always double check the connection.
Quoted from pinlink:Why aren't you starting with the hard parts as suggested? You may not even be able to find them. Then what will you do?
How does that change things? He can always resell the parts, but if they go out of stock before he finds *hard part X*, he's stuck anyway. I started with a sweet Scared Stiff playfield and ended up with every mech(well, I have to make a coffin diverter, but aside from that...).
Quoted from EricHadley:Illegal copy for your own use
Not at all. He's using licensed items, used items and self manufactured items to build a machine. He's not a manufacturer, and he's not marketing it as an original or remade version of anything.
It's akin to the various motorcycles that are Harley clones. You can build a motorcycle that is functionally identical to a Fatbob, and Harley would have zero to say. You could sell it, too, even hundreds of them in this case, as long as you aren't marketing them as Harley brand. That's the reason all of those Harley clone garages can be in business, and companies like S&S can make clone Evo parts.
In this case, the closest you could get would be a copyright claim on the ROM image. And if he uses an original WPC mpu or a licensed replacement, then he even avoids that. Even trademark claims would not likely stick if he were not party to the manufacture of items for sale. And I doubt that there are any patents on the particular pieces in AF.
I built one out of a couple of sawhorses that I picked up for free. Took about $20 and an hour on top of that.
Quoted from Ricochet:Yes. They only have bare copper wire, nothing tinned. They do have a TON of color options though!
What about this stuff?
https://www.sherco-auto.com/striped-tracer-wire.html
Type III Class K tinned copper
Marine grade stuff
Quoted from Ricochet:Yup that’s good wire ... just I don’t see anything smaller than 18AWG... maybe I missed something
They have a limited selection of 22 as well on that page.
It's inevitable, but also entirely able to be overcome. People are coming together to source these parts, having them made when there is no other option. It's not easy, per se, but it's also not impossible. Thanks to the hard work of people like wallybgood these scratch builds are becoming easier to implement.
Quoted from Mbecker:To do it right though seems like you’d be sitting down with the manual and cutting and soldering wires very methodically and carefully. Not sure how you’d get all the lengths.. overestimating and clipping excess later maybe? (If you do this shredder, keep in mind you need enough cable back to the boards to pull the pf out of the cab and to lift it vertical.
I would imagine that you start by getting a measurement from the connector to the first item in a circuit(a row and column) and get that working. Then, run the next row and column. That's 3 new items. Test, and move to the next layer. That's 5 new items. Continue until you are at 8x8. If you test each new layer of components as you go, you will minimize the number of tests while isolating the problems to a single new row/column combination. If you use your own colors, create your own matrix and keep it with the machine. Maybe laminate a note and put it in the machine to help any techs who might be working on it in the future.
As a side note, since my from scratch build is heavily customized at the controller level, I have to do this anyway.
Quoted from wallybgood:Hey, thanks, dude.
My pleasure. If not for your work on ball guides, I would be stuck until I get to get under the glass of another Scared Stiff to do a lot of measurement. Your contributions are invaluable.
Quoted from Shredder565:hopefully not bending..
You will indeed need to bend them. You'll want to set up a small brake and a slip roller if you have the money/space. Some of it can be done with a vise. A lot of the larger bends can be done by hand, if you are careful(roll it back and forth against a thick dowel rod, for example). It's better to approach the bend slowly rather than try to nail it on the first round.
Something to review: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/making-new-ball-guides-from-scratch-vids-guide
Quoted from Shredder565:before I place the order, which one of these is the right flipper rebuild kit?
Buy the whole assembly from pinball life, and get the right coil stop(there is a table on that page):
https://www.pinballlife.com/full-flipper-assembly-for-williamsbally-machines-from-021992-to-101998.html
Yeah, as others have said, look at the manual to verify the coil. Eos should be there default one, iirc.
Quoted from Kawydud:Link doesn't work, must be a group you have to join.
Send a message to wallybgood and he'll help you.
Use Mouser/Digikey/Jameco for common electronic devices(diodes, resistors, etc). Use the manual to find the specs, then order accordingly. In some cases, the replacement part is not completely clear or has been replaced with something better(MOSFETs and diodes come to mind). Ask around for those. Otherwise, it should be fairly straight forward.
That needs to go in the pinball horror pictures thread. Damn sorry to see it. At least it is widely available.
If you want color but want to skip the colordmd, you're other option is this: http://vpuniverse.com/forums/files/file/5534-the-addams-family/
You'll have to buy or build a pin2dmd board and set it up.
Quoted from Shredder565:maybe one day,but not yet...sigh. short and beardless don't attract 'em
Never held me back. Granted, now I've got a sweet beard and I've been married for 25 years...so.....
Quoted from Shredder565:always had a feeling I'd have better luck abroad than in the US. feel like women are a bit less picky abroad. If you look at US facebook husband photos, most are about a foot taller than the girl and bearded. ladies def have a type ;o).
I'm shorter than my wife. I'm sure that dating in the time of the plague isn't easy. Good luck, sir. We're rooting for you!
Quoted from pinballinreno:Does anyone have a TAF playfield back panel or a template
I believe there are some floating around the WPC builders facebook group.
Quoted from pinballinreno:We need a link!
It was posted in the thread earlier:
Quoted from Shredder565:I hope that works. WPC95 remakes from wally.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1600485303527860/?ref=bookmarks
It's invite only, so ping wallybgood
Quoted from Shredder565:Looks very sloppy. this may be a two person job. one to hold the wire in place and the other to staple it.
Use a small tack in the middle of the braid to hold it for stapling.Remove once it's stapled.
Quoted from Shredder565:I've had a few staples go through the wire. doesn't that damage it's ability?
Only if it is actually severing the ground braid somehow. Otherwise, it's fine. Maybe a little ugly, but some of the wiring from the factory was ugly on occasion.
Well, that's the factory setting sound, so you are getting a boot. Congrats!
You can start debugging the DMD here: https://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Display_problems
Quoted from Boat:but for one thing it looks like it’s Mounted upside down
If it's upside down, then maybe the power and/or data cable are upside down.
Quoted from Shredder565:I hope I didn't damage it when I accidentally knocked off 3 LED squares with a knife while trying to remove the glue.
Maybe I missed this happening. What do you mean by this? Like, you knocked out part of the display itself?
Ah. No, you will have dead pixels, but it shouldn't stop it from displaying. Try turning the cable from the AV board the other direction. It looks backwards to me.
Also, you should be able to buy a new panel to fix that. Colordmd might have it. Otherwise, you'll have to hit up aliexpress.
Quoted from Shredder565:just to be clear, which cable? all the ribbon cables can only be put in one way thanks to the tab they come with.
The long cable feeding back to the AV board. Check both ends. Check the voltage.
Dude, relish the moment. Look at everyone who said it was crazy(yeah, it was, but it's a GOOD crazy). But you made it work. You aren't done yet, but you are SO close!
Building any machine is a labor of love. When I run into trouble(I wired that diode backwards? Oh, shit...) and get grumpy, I click through threads like this to get my motivation flowing again.
Quoted from Shredder565:feel like the problem is with the cpu board. unplugged all the cables, and nothing started. still the same top d19 light on solid. plugged all the cables properly back in, replaced some fuses that looked like they could need it. nothing. same problem. makes a 'clicking' noise like it's trying to boot up, DMD has all gobbldy gook on it, and D19 still stays on. but middle light flashes as if it booted ok. LED 3 on the Power Driver board blinks faintly and doesn't stay on like I Think it's supposed to..
sigh. was in a happy mood.
Try replacing U11.
Quoted from pinballinreno:if you just dont want it, let me know.
This man beat me to it
Yeah, fix that thing. It will be good practice.
Quoted from Shredder565:how would one go about trouble shooting it?
Start here: https://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Williams_WPC
You could easily fix it and either have a spare or sell it. At the very least, you gain some more skills and comfort in working on a machine at the board level. It's not rocket science, it's mostly just slow and steady deduction.
It might be a 30 minute soldering job. You could send it for repair, but you have already replaced it, so my strong recommendation is to use it to learn.
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