Its when you start assembling you will see how much your missing hehe, when I did a full restore of my ES I had a bucket full of custom metal parts and ball guides. It was insane how many little custom parts these machines have. If you had a doner the pf will be bare after the new game is built

But who cares long as you enjoy it

To populate the Playfield, a rotesserie is pretty essential. You can’t build it up in the cab. That’s really why you should do the Playfield first, then get a cab to drop it in.

YES: I sold a decent working TAF about 3 years ago when I was moving for $3200.

I still think your better off not building a TAF unless you can get an almost complete wired playfield from someone. TAF is just too complex of a playfield to custom make parts for. There was a lot of TAF made (over 20K) so it is not a hard to find game. Even operators in the late 1990's parted them out. Wired playfields are out there and it would be your best option to find one.

If you are going to the trouble of building one from scratch... do NOT use decals for the cab. This was painted on the originals and decals.... suck. Plus it will reduce the value.

However, I think you are nuts

Just a note that HEP doesn’t use a rotisserie and literally does this for a living.

If you guys are curious, TAF has 23,919 inches or 1,993.25 feet of wire in its harnesses. (from Parts List - BOM) It is recommended for a first scratch built pin to use the same color code that the manufacturer used in order to facilitate troubleshooting, if necessary. This is the amount of wire (in inches) required for each color and gauge.
Wally

#used part number part name used on games
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593 HW-30018-0 wire 18awg black TAF
421 HW-30018-04 wire 18awg blk/yel TAF
252 HW-30018-06 wire 18awg blk/blu TAF
214 HW-30018-1 wire 18awg brown TAF
373 HW-30018-2 wire 18awg red TAF
92 HW-30018-29 wire 18awg red/wht TAF
44 HW-30018-3 wire 18awg orange TAF
145 HW-30018-35 wire 18awg org/grn TAF
145 HW-30018-36 wire 18awg org/blu TAF
237 HW-30018-37 wire 18awg org/vio TAF
252 HW-30018-38 wire 18awg org/gry TAF
237 HW-30018-4 wire 18awg yellow TAF
316 HW-30018-49 wire 18awg yel/wht TAF
27 HW-30018-54 wire 18awg grn/yel TAF
44 HW-30018-6 wire 18awg blue TAF
276 HW-30018-64 wire 18awg blu/yel TAF
265 HW-30018-67 wire 18awg blu/vio TAF
266 HW-30018-68 wire 18awg blu/gry TAF
184 HW-30018-69 wire 18awg blu/wht TAF
365 HW-30018-7 wire 18awg violet TAF
230 HW-30018-73 wire 18awg vio/org TAF
459 HW-30018-74 wire 18awg vio/yel TAF
146 HW-30018-75 wire 18awg vio/grn TAF
274 HW-30018-8 wire 18awg gray TAF
348 HW-30018-84 wire 18awg gry/yel TAF
140 HW-30018-85 wire 18awg gry/grn TAF
92 HW-30018-89 wire 18awg gry/wht TAF
196 HW-30018-9 wire 18awg white TAF
170 HW-30018-91 wire 18awg wht/brn TAF
184 HW-30018-92 wire 18awg wht/red TAF
184 HW-30018-95 wire 18awg wht/grn TAF
20 HW-30018-96 wire 18awg wht/blu TAF
154 HW-30018-97 wire 18awg wht/vio TAF
33 HW-60018-0 wire 18awg black TAF
25 HW-60018-9 wire 18awg white TAF

#used part number part name used on games
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639 CW-30022-0 wire 22awg black TAF
123 CW-30022-01 wire 22awg blk/brn TAF
114 CW-30022-02 wire 22awg blk/red TAF
151 CW-30022-03 wire 22awg blk/org TAF
408 CW-30022-04 wire 22awg blk/yel TAF
137 CW-30022-05 wire 22awg blk/grn TAF
245 CW-30022-06 wire 22awg blk/blu TAF
115 CW-30022-07 wire 22awg blk/vio TAF
114 CW-30022-08 wire 22awg blk/gry TAF
102 CW-30022-10 wire 22awg brn/blk TAF
99 CW-30022-12 wire 22awg brn/red TAF
123 CW-30022-13 wire 22awg brn/org TAF
105 CW-30022-14 wire 22awg brn/yel TAF
123 CW-30022-15 wire 22awg brn/grn TAF
121 CW-30022-16 wire 22awg brn/blu TAF
122 CW-30022-17 wire 22awg brn/vio TAF
150 CW-30022-18 wire 22awg brn/gry TAF
49 CW-30022-2 wire 22awg red TAF
255 CW-30022-20 wire 22awg red/blk TAF
257 CW-30022-21 wire 22awg red/brn TAF
261 CW-30022-23 wire 22awg red/org TAF
279 CW-30022-24 wire 22awg red/yel TAF
316 CW-30022-25 wire 22awg red/grn TAF
229 CW-30022-26 wire 22awg red/blu TAF
233 CW-30022-27 wire 22awg red/vio TAF
350 CW-30022-28 wire 22awg red/gry TAF
255 CW-30022-29 wire 22awg red/wht TAF
486 CW-30022-3 wire 22awg orange TAF
150 CW-30022-30 wire 22awg org/blk TAF
150 CW-30022-31 wire 22awg org/brn TAF
150 CW-30022-32 wire 22awg org/red TAF
150 CW-30022-34 wire 22awg org/yel TAF
153 CW-30022-35 wire 22awg org/grn TAF
112 CW-30022-36 wire 22awg org/blu TAF
112 CW-30022-37 wire 22awg org/vio TAF
112 CW-30022-38 wire 22awg org/gry TAF
112 CW-30022-39 wire 22awg org/wht TAF
160 CW-30022-4 wire 22awg yellow TAF
184 CW-30022-40 wire 22awg yel/blk TAF
169 CW-30022-41 wire 22awg yel/brn TAF
157 CW-30022-42 wire 22awg yel/red TAF
124 CW-30022-43 wire 22awg yel/org TAF
130 CW-30022-45 wire 22awg yel/grn TAF
161 CW-30022-46 wire 22awg yel/blu TAF
246 CW-30022-47 wire 22awg yel/vio TAF
145 CW-30022-48 wire 22awg yel/gry TAF
22 CW-30022-5 wire 22awg green TAF
157 CW-30022-50 wire 22awg grn/blk TAF
320 CW-30022-51 wire 22awg grn/brn TAF
295 CW-30022-52 wire 22awg grn/red TAF
241 CW-30022-53 wire 22awg grn/org TAF
148 CW-30022-54 wire 22awg grn/yel TAF
245 CW-30022-56 wire 22awg grn/blu TAF
234 CW-30022-57 wire 22awg grn/vio TAF
138 CW-30022-58 wire 22awg grn/gry TAF
8 CW-30022-6 wire 22awg blue TAF
173 CW-30022-60 wire 22awg blu/blk TAF
87 CW-30022-61 wire 22awg blu/brn TAF
85 CW-30022-62 wire 22awg blu/red TAF
101 CW-30022-63 wire 22awg blu/org TAF
121 CW-30022-64 wire 22awg blu/yel TAF
138 CW-30022-65 wire 22awg blu/grn TAF
283 CW-30022-67 wire 22awg blu/vio TAF
267 CW-30022-68 wire 22awg blu/gry TAF
180 CW-30022-7 wire 22awg violet TAF
106 CW-30022-70 wire 22awg vio/blk TAF
113 CW-30022-71 wire 22awg vio/brn TAF
130 CW-30022-72 wire 22awg vio/red TAF
104 CW-30022-73 wire 22awg vio/org TAF
138 CW-30022-74 wire 22awg vio/yel TAF
284 CW-30022-75 wire 22awg vio/grn TAF
100 CW-30022-76 wire 22awg vio/blu TAF
123 CW-30022-78 wire 22awg vio/gry TAF
40 CW-30022-81 wire 22awg gry/brn TAF
40 CW-30022-82 wire 22awg gry/red TAF
40 CW-30022-83 wire 22awg gry/org TAF
494 CW-30022-84 wire 22awg gry/yel TAF
40 CW-30022-85 wire 22awg gry/grn TAF
41 CW-30022-86 wire 22awg gry/blu TAF
22 CW-30022-9 wire 22awg white TAF
373 CW-30022-91 wire 22awg wht/brn TAF
333 CW-30022-92 wire 22awg wht/red TAF
427 CW-30022-93 wire 22awg wht/org TAF
453 CW-30022-94 wire 22awg wht/yel TAF
311 CW-30022-95 wire 22awg wht/grn TAF
250 CW-30022-96 wire 22awg wht/blu TAF
427 CW-30022-97 wire 22awg wht/vio TAF
246 CW-30022-98 wire 22awg wht/gry TAF

If you got that ball shooter from Marco good luck using it. I ordered one from there for my game and the angle that the shooter rod goes through on that one is slanted more downward than the original which made it unusable for my WPC refurbishment. Had to polish up the old one and reuse that.

This is why I mentioned maybe buying and parting out used harnesses from ebay. Bay area amusements has a lot of colored wire for 27.5 cents a foot. That's about $550 if you didn't waste any (which you would since it's sold in 10 foot increments)

And only 10,000 more to go.

Anything is possible in the pinball world but you have to weigh this out the pros and cons.Sure you can build one but considering the money,parts,ect. is no easy task.My advice would be to look for one for sale or just give it a bit of time for one to pop up for sale around you.

Not to be a Debby Downer, but those are few and very far between. Just know that almost everyone on this forum is hunting for that same deal and will almost certainly (99% chance) beat you to it.

Well you have to START somewhere.

Haha! you sure do

This was my idea when I had unlimited time and money. Then I got remarried. Make this your own build. You love Addams Family buy a donor game flip the playfield and theme it after the TV show and not the movie. This would take twice the time and probably not for a first timer but you would have something unique at the end of the day.

I know about 20 people have already tried to warn you, but this is a REALLY bad idea to take on as a first pinball project. You are going to pay 3X what a decent game would cost to build one from stretch.

Building a TAF wire harness from scratch? I don’t know of many pinball guys with 20 years of experience that would be willing to take this on.

I appreciate your ambition, but this one is going to be very ugly.

Didn’t know that, but I’d venture the majority are using them? I don’t know why you wouldn’t use one though... what is HEP using?

Time for a poll: what will happen first? Shredder finishes or Chicago Gaming builds remakes.

The wire alone will be well over $1,000, not including any connectors.

Funny you mention this.... It is actually a legit rumor.

I’d start on the harness before buying anything else. It’s the most labor intensive. It’s the section with the highest likelihood of making a mistake. Once it’s done, the rest will seem easy.

And as some have mentioned, some of the metal ball guides aren’t available for sale. You’ll want a reference for when you have to custom fab them.

The deals are out there. There is a TZ that I can pickup for $3K locally by me but I really don't have any interest in it. I also found two Gottlieb SYS3 mid 1990's DMD games at a church that I can pick up for $400.

I was just saying they’re rare. If the owner of the TZ posted the ad here, it would be gone in 10 minutes or less.

Hey 565
Purchase parts carefully if you want to hold the cost down. Many times it is less expensive to buy all the individual component parts separately (if available) and assemble yourself rather than to buy a completed assembly.
I generally look for parts a year in advance of starting a scratch build so I run into some really sweet deals. For example, the cab/head decals for SS were $100, the power transformer was $80, and a complete wiring harness (from a different WPC-95 pin) was $50. Great deals are always found at the pinball shows. (I saw a TAF topper brand new for $100 at TPF and Expo) I restore many used parts like the coin door, pop mechs, sling mechs, flipper mechs and targets. If you want all new parts and you want them tomorrow, costs will be substantially higher.
Wally

If your not interested in buying that TZ would you mind if i ask how to get in touch with the owner i'm interested and i will buy it

Same

I will even pay a finder's fee

I was going too do the same as you ,u might be looking for ether a real grap of a TAF or just the PF of one that's wired and then you go something too start with and u got most of the PF parts that would cost a lot more then it's worth doing

Seems like the consensus is that this is a crazy endeavor, but man, does this dude got some chops. Bet he walks into a Toyota dealership, checks out the Land Cruisers or whatever, and says, "nah, thanks, imma make my own." Has to ride his bike home, but doesn't get a F!

good luck on the build

this is a handy search engine though looks like it is shutting down on the last day of this month. It is a good way to hunt down game specific parts from all the pinball supplies - search hard and fast before it goes.

https://www.pinballsearch.com/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Addams%20family

Not sure if you found the guy overseas who sell parts yet but his name is arakissun on here. I’ve bought a few things from him. Definitely worth a look.
Good luck, this will be one hell of a project...I’m afraid to even do a playfield swap!

Same
You’ve got dibs though before me, or the sixty people that PM’d him before us

Let’s not hope it results to this.

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There’s over 100 different types of wire. Can’t wait to see how you have your spools setup.

Let's hope not that's so bad

Let's see. The majority of people here have decided to collect a machine made for commercial use. Many starting off without the slightest inkling of what they are getting into. And skill sets all over the map.

Pinside. Home for those who thrive for crazy endeavors !

LTG : )

Good luck! If it were me, I'd keep watching for a project to pop up and/or the next container buy somebody organizes. The TAF's are usually fairly rough, but could be had for ~$4500-5000. Not any real cost savings, but you could at least get one as a donor machine.

It sounds to good to be true,TZ for 3k anyone in the hobby would pick it up in heartbeat having room or no room.You could buy it for 3k and sell it in the same hour for a very quick huge profit.

yes for sure ,I am looking for a project TAF too start with this would save ALOT of time and money too boot ,it wouldn't make it worth while the cost would be 20k when your done if you had too buy every part ,that's why they can't make MM,MB or AFM the same as Williams and Bally did back in the 90s cost too much now too do the same ,

Besides decals, what other choice would he have?

Value won't be affected one iota by using decals. His other choice would be Rad Cals which I think are way cooler than using decals and equivalently priced.