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Addams Family - Scratch Build?


By Shredder565

10 months ago



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#1401 4 days ago

assuming these don't come cheaper, this one might have to wait a while
https://shop.colordmd.com/led-replacement-display-for-addams-family-pinball-machine/

#1402 4 days ago

You can look for a used display and add colorDMD later.

There are tons out there right now.
You might snag one for free.

#1403 3 days ago

Personally I'd go for the LCD version rather than the LED. You can always set the LCD to do dots instead of smooth if you prefer the dots look. It's all personal preference though.

#1404 3 days ago
Quoted from atrainn:

Personally I'd go for the LCD version rather than the LED. You can always set the LCD to do dots instead of smooth if you prefer the dots look. It's all personal preference though.

The led version is much brighter.

TAF is a dark game.

Id be inclined to use that.

I think it matches the graphics better.

I bought both for my DW. I ended up using the LED one, it just had more presence and looked better.

TAF is a similar situation as far as colors etc.

#1405 3 days ago

They don’t come cheaper unless you do the non color dmd version. Not sure that anyone did DYI color Roms for that yet though. ColorDMD is the nice, yet pricey, plug and play version. Or get a used standard display for now, for cheap..

#1406 3 days ago

The other option is the slightly cheaper virtua pin one
https://virtuapin.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=231&zenid=egibgui8feopjpoi38chnd1k45

but not led

One of a few items to come.

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#1407 3 days ago

Does that actually work in real pins? I'm pretty sure it's specifically for virtual pins. I don't think it would without pairing it with something like pin2dmd. At that point you'd just be buying it to pull the panels from it and use on a pin2dmd.

#1408 3 days ago

If you want color but want to skip the colordmd, you're other option is this: http://vpuniverse.com/forums/files/file/5534-the-addams-family/

You'll have to buy or build a pin2dmd board and set it up.

#1409 3 days ago

personally, I prefer the orange /b/w look. it's how i've always seen it, but folks here seem to be gearing for color. and i'm curious myself on how much better it looks. I don't mind springing for the color dmd one eventually. just curious what other options are out there in the color realm .

#1410 3 days ago
Quoted from atrainn:

Personally I'd go for the LCD version rather than the LED. You can always set the LCD to do dots instead of smooth if you prefer the dots look.

Second that. I opted for the LED version for my ToM because I thought I'd like the more "original" look of the discrete LEDs better than the video look. Turns out I was wrong. The video version (which I have in another machine) looks better to my eye. The problem with the LEDs is that the sub-pixel structure of the RGB LEDs is WAY too obvious to the eye. Each individual color dot is much smaller than the original monochrome plasma pixels. When you have a block of a single color, you see a bunch of tiny little pinprick lights instead of the plasma-like dots. The video version looks much better (to my eye) because they can draw every pixel at full size for any color. They also give you more options for the display format (although I don't personally much like any of the modes other than the original "dots" mode). If you really want LED/plasma for the more original look, I'd go with monochrome; it'll look truer to the original. But at this point I prefer the look of the video displays even against the original plasmas.

Quoted from atrainn:

It's all personal preference though.

Second that too. Opinion expressed above is subjective.

Quoted from atrainn:

Does that actually work in real pins? I'm pretty sure it's specifically for virtual pins.

I'm pretty sure you're right that it DOESN'T work in real pins - it's set up for a USB connection to a PC running VPinMAME. (You might check with the vendor, though. It might just conceivably be like Pin2DMD where it has a dual interface, but I really doubt it; the guy who makes them is all about the virtual cab market.)

#1411 3 days ago
Quoted from mjr:

I'm pretty sure you're right that it DOESN'T work in real pins - it's set up for a USB connection to a PC running VPinMAME. (You might check with the vendor, though. It might just conceivably be like Pin2DMD where it has a dual interface, but I really doubt it; the guy who makes them is all about the virtual cab market.)

Didn't think of that angle. I assumed because real production cabs where made, it also worked on real machines. something to ask about .

Also, plasma/LED. interesting point. sometimes too fine a detail isn't great either.

What's odd is the LED one is about $30's cheaper than the LCD one.

#1412 3 days ago

LCD is much better. I bought a TRON LE with a LED in it and man it sucked. I couldn’t order a LCD fast enough to fix the burn in my eyes. LCD HANDS DOWN is the way to go.

#1413 3 days ago

You can watch the short video on the colordmd site and see— color is a huge difference and while original is fine.. color is just so much better unless you are an absolute purist (in which case you’d better send back that speaker system and install insert melting incandescent bulbs too).

#1414 3 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Didn't think of that angle. I assumed because real production cabs where made, it also worked on real machines. something to ask about .
Also, plasma/LED. interesting point. sometimes too fine a detail isn't great either.
What's odd is the LED one is about $30's cheaper than the LCD one.

Depends on the game.

Some of the animations look better on the LCD when smoothed on some games. Mostly later ones.

Early games have simpler animations. LED versions look better on these imho.

The smoothing effect on games that have little shading in the artwork looks cartoonish and poorly executed.

TAF and DW for example is WPC89. Very early animations from 1993 with little shading.

I think LED works better.

IJ is later and ToM even later being WPC95. Much better animations on those.

I used smoothing on my ToM and it looks great.

Smoothing in my IJ was not what i wanted.

The big dots fixed it nicely.

A good compromise for LCD versions is the big dots setting.

However im thinking of going to LED in my current IJ resto.

The LCD version has 5 built in settings that you can scroll thru to get the game looking the way you want.

The LED version only has screen and brightness control.

One issue on the LED version is that the LED they used is tiny in a big black square.

So it looks like theres miles of blackness at lower brightness settings.
Its not as noticable at higher brightness settings.

The LCD isn't as eye searingly bright as the LED even at max brightness.

Darker games benefit fron the LED version, they look crisp and bright.

So, i think early games benefit from LED displays, later ones use LCD.

Im fortunate to have both types to play with in my shop. So for me its how they look and feel on the individual game.

Im thinking of going LED on my next TAF restore.

#1415 3 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

What's odd is the LED one is about $30's cheaper than the LCD one.

Yeah, go figure. It's the economics of the underlying parts, I'm sure. They churn out very nice 16" LCD panels by the kajillion because they use them in laptops. Those 2.5mm-pitch LED panels are a weird specialty item they mostly use in Asia to build advertising walls. Parts priced accordingly.

#1416 3 days ago

You can’t use LCD on TAF without redesigning the “Thing” light board. Keep that in mind. The LED fits right in.

#1417 3 days ago

I have some Pin2DMDs available.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/103381

For full color you will need to get the colorizaiton files from the author on vpuniverse.com (NetzZwerg). He may ask for a small donation as the colorizations often take 100s of hour to create.

#1418 2 days ago
Quoted from bsanders:

I have some Pin2DMDs available.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/103381
For full color you will need to get the colorizaiton files from the author on vpuniverse.com (NetzZwerg). He may ask for a small donation as the colorizations often take 100s of hour to create.

so, that THING panel posted afew pages back. would that work with LCD? or does that need to be LED? never did figure out how to order it. could not find it on the web page linked.

#1419 2 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

so, that THING panel posted afew pages back. would that work with LCD? or does that need to be LED? never did figure out how to order it. could not find it on the web page linked.

The LCD version is very tall and doesnt fit very well onto the game.

It slides over the Thing board.

The knobs for the 555 light bulbs get in the way.

A LED thing board was developed to eliminate the knobs therefore allowing the LCD to fit.

In fact, you might not be able to swing out the light board without folding down the speaker panel, even with a modified Thing board.

Some people cut out the light board to accomodate the LCD screen.

The LED screen is exactly the same size as the original DMD.

Its a drop-in replacement and no modifications are needed..

#1420 2 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

so, that THING panel posted afew pages back. would that work with LCD?

Yes, thats what its for.

#1421 2 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Some people cut out the light board to accomodate the LCD screen.

Indeed, if I understand correctly, that's actually how they're *meant* to be used. I believe they programmed it so that the LCD serves as a replacement for the lamp board by simulating the lamps on video. (That is, a big white square lights up in the appropriate area for each lamp as needed, to back-light the panel in lieu of the #555 bulb.) I've seen mixed reports on the brightness for that, with some saying it's not as bright as the original lamp and others saying it's a matter of adjusting the panel's brightness settings properly.

#1422 2 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

The LCD version is very tall and doesnt fit very well onto the game.

Just to clarify that, they use a 16" laptop panel, 16:9 aspect ratio, which is about 1/4" taller than the whole speaker panel and about the same width as the DMD cutout area. For most other games (ones without an extra light board like the THING lights), it's a workable fit, despite the overhang; it just sticks up just slightly above the top of the speaker panel, but that doesn't create any space conflicts in most machines. If you take out the THING lights as the manufacturer intends, it should be equally workable with TAF. It's a matter of whether that's acceptable to you.

#1423 2 days ago
Quoted from mjr:

Indeed, if I understand correctly, that's actually how they're *meant* to be used. I believe they programmed it so that the LCD serves as a replacement for the lamp board by simulating the lamps on video. (That is, a big white square lights up in the appropriate area for each lamp as needed, to back-light the panel in lieu of the #555 bulb.) I've seen mixed reports on the brightness for that, with some saying it's not as bright as the original lamp and others saying it's a matter of adjusting the panel's brightness settings properly.

So, let me see if I'm understanding all this properly.

The LCD version can be used as a replacement for the THING lamps, as it's big enough to fit over that section?

that's how my limited brain read all that, so there's a good chance i'm wrong .

#1424 2 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

So, let me see if I'm understanding all this properly.
The LCD version can be used as a replacement for the THING lamps, as it's big enough to fit over that section?
that's how my limited brain read all that, so there's a good chance i'm wrong .

You can start with Color DMD LCD without light board.
If the brightness is too low, and you are ready for DIY:
Light Board Mod TAF and DW.pdf

#1425 2 days ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

So, let me see if I'm understanding all this properly.
The LCD version can be used as a replacement for the THING lamps, as it's big enough to fit over that section?
that's how my limited brain read all that, so there's a good chance i'm wrong .

I tried the lcd without the thing light board.

Yes its big enough to cover the thing light cutouts and has lighted square areas that match up to the speaker panel cutouts.

However,

Even at its highest brightness the thing lights are barely visable.

So, dont go that route.

ColorDMD has a fix on their website as davi has shown, on how to upgrade your existing thing light board to flat, smd leds.

A much more elegant solution is to buy the aftermarket light board with smd leds already on it.

For the money its well worth it.

However, the led screen version doesnt need any modifications. Everything fits as it should.

#1426 1 day ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

ColorDMD has a fix on their website as davi has shown, on how to upgrade your existing thing light board to flat, smd leds.
A much more elegant solution is to buy the aftermarket light board with smd leds already on it.
For the money its well worth it.
However, the led screen version doesnt need any modifications. Everything fits as it should.

The LED option does seem to be the easiest way to go. Hopefully the picture will be fine . I still have another week or so to decide

#1427 1 day ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

The LED option does seem to be the easiest way to go. Hopefully the picture will be fine . I still have another week or so to decide

Don't fret over going with LED. It has that "classic pinball" nostalgia feel you want, while still being a significant upgrade. And it'll fit without all the trickery.

#1428 1 day ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

Don't fret over going with LED. It has that "classic pinball" nostalgia feel you want, while still being a significant upgrade. And it'll fit without all the trickery.

I agree with this.

LED fits the game really well.

#1429 1 day ago
Quoted from Davi:

You can start with Color DMD LCD without light board.
If the brightness is too low, and you are ready for DIY:

or just order one of these from pinshakers

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1206-pinshakers/03613-the-addams-family-thing-led-light-board

#1431 17 hours ago

I think they're exactly the same, although if someone offers to sell you "X for Addams Family" vs "X for generic" at the same price, I'd probably buy the one that's being marketed as special to your machine.

#1432 17 hours ago
Quoted from mjr:

I think they're exactly the same, although if someone offers to sell you "X for Addams Family" vs "X for generic

They are the same , however I do believe that if you order the Addams Family DMD it comes with the proper cable connectors for the game ? Either way you have to load the proper download for the colorization

#1433 12 hours ago
Quoted from transprtr4u:

They are the same , however I do believe that if you order the Addams Family DMD it comes with the proper cable connectors for the game ? Either way you have to load the proper download for the colorization

Yep.

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