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Addams Family - Scratch Build?

By Shredder565

4 years ago


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#1001 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

So, I am pretty s ure these two posts go here.
but how do they attach to the siderail there?
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Pretty sure its a 8-32 stud plate...
A-12258-2 8-32 stud plt assy

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#1002 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

So, I am pretty s ure these two posts go here.
but how do they attach to the siderail there?
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Some posts have a little bracket on the bottom to screw into the side rail, its painted black

8-32
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-12258-3

6-32
https://www.pinballlife.com/metal-hex-spacer-mounting-bracket.html

Then they are attached with #6 or #8 black truss head screws.

Someone should have a picture.

#1003 3 years ago

I just looked at mine and they have the plate on the bottom that screws down on the side rail.

#1004 3 years ago

hard to see but it has two screws at the bottom. As you can see mine has to be adjusted so the ramp and hole will line up.

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#1005 3 years ago
Quoted from fiberdude120:

hard to see but it has two screws at the bottom. As you can see mine has to be adjusted so the ramp and hole will line up.
[quoted image]

hmm, looks easy enough.

I'll order a few. Thanks .
Once the 8-32s come back in stock.

Found those two posts and the 02-4436-15 locations. that just leaves 02-4435 and 02-4434 to figure out.

Also got a few CPU boards ordered this week. an original working Driver board, audio board and CPU board.

#1006 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

hmm, looks easy enough.
I'll order a few. Thanks .
Once the 8-32s come back in stock.
Found those two posts and the 02-4436-15 locations. that just leaves 02-4435 and 02-4434 to figure out.
Also got a few CPU boards ordered this week. an original working Driver board, audio board and CPU board.

Nice.

The audio boards can be hard to get.

But theres always pinsound in a pinch.

#1007 3 years ago

diodes should come tomorrow, and lights on wensday. maybe I can get one board powered on as a test before the holiday weekend. Memorial day used to be the day Barnacle Bills opened up, and the Addams Family was playable for the summer. Sadly, they long ago got rid of it..as it wasn't kept in the best of repair.

I don't think I ever got to see a machine working fully right until the digital realm came around. it's still weird seeing all the lights on right.

#1008 3 years ago

I can’t believe it but this thread is motivating me to attempt this myself. I’ll likely CNC the cabinet myself... Really the only thing that is a huge demotivator is the wiring... it’s not that it can’t be done... I’m just not interested in doing it...I would want it exact to OEM.

I appreciate Shredder565 ‘s zeal... it’s contagious

#1009 3 years ago
Quoted from Ricochet:

I can’t believe it but this thread is motivating me to attempt this myself. I’ll likely CNC the cabinet myself... Really the only thing that is a huge demotivator is the wiring... it’s not that it can’t be done... I’m just not interested in doing it...I would want it exact to OEM.
I appreciate shredder565 ‘s zeal... it’s contagious

I also cannot believe you'd attempt something like this so soon after the completion of your last monumental project. Ambition level 100.

#1010 3 years ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I also cannot believe you'd attempt something like this so soon after the completion of your last monumental project. Ambition level 100.

Right now ...it’s a thought. I got the CNC lined up ... Need to look at what other tools I need.

#1011 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I hope ramp placement one looks good cause it's in. the rest coming shortly.[quoted image]

Nice job on the first of many guides to be bent! Right end needs to have a little radius.
Wally

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#1012 3 years ago
Quoted from Ricochet:

Right now ...it’s a thought. I got the CNC lined up ... Need to look at what other tools I need.

Local Pinsider with a CNC????!!! interesting.....

#1013 3 years ago
Quoted from sk8ersublime:

Local Pinsider with a CNC????!!! interesting.....

Ya don't need to have all tools and toys... ya just need to have the friends that have them

#1014 3 years ago

Todays job. some shipments came in. Flippers. Thing Magnet Coil, Diodes (Somehow mis counted short by me).....

No lights to populate yet though. But I do have the old ones socket free

How do the flippers stay attached to the rod?
I also have to figure out where those rails go.

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#1015 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Todays job. some shipments came in. Flippers. Thing Magnet Coil, Diodes (Somehow mis counted short by me).....
No lights to populate yet though. But I do have the old ones socket free
How do the flippers stay attached to the rod?
I also have to figure out where those rails go.
[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

The mechs hold the flippers in

The flipper pawls clamp onto the flipper shafts.

The return spring at the end of the pawl hooks into the small hole above the EOS switch mount

#1016 3 years ago

If you have a lot of diodes or resistors to bend I find these useful. There is also one on Thingiverse if you have access to a 3d printer. It helps make them a lot more uniform. Also, I think you may have them on the wrong side of the board. Edit: Maybe you have it correct, I guess it doesn't matter as long as it's facing the correct direction. I would think it would go where the screening is.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sparkfun-electronics/TOL-13114/1568-1132-ND/5623215?utm_adgroup=Specialized%20Tools&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping_Product_Tools_NEW&utm_term=&utm_content=Specialized%20Tools&gclid=CjwKCAjwh472BRAGEiwAvHVfGiGIghsKgn1qMzu_Kxhd_xlNTJQFLw044eHH64SpPV4fpXypjCJGfhoCsygQAvD_BwE

#1017 3 years ago

Actually diodes appear correct, at least against the reference ones posted on the last page. I would also expect them on the same side as the drawing for them, but perhaps not?

Uniform diode bends are pretty, that’s a good reccomendation.

Note that you need to clip the ‘key’ pins off the boards, where the white arrows point to. Your connectors will have a plugged hole for that pin (once you install it) to keep things clear as to which connector goes to which board.

Also hard to tell but sone of those solder gloves are questionable to my eye. Make sure you apply enough heat to the legs of the diodes so the solder works to both the board and the legs. The solder makes a kind of volcano shape when correct, usually.. vs a large rounded glob

#1018 3 years ago
Quoted from Mbecker:

Actually diodes appear correct, at least against the reference ones posted on the last page. I would also expect them on the same side as the drawing for them, but perhaps not?
Uniform diode bends are pretty, that’s a good reccomendation.
Note that you need to clip the ‘key’ pins off the boards, where the white arrows point to. Your connectors will have a plugged hole for that pin (once you install it) to keep things clear as to which connector goes to which board.
Also hard to tell but sone of those solder gloves are questionable to my eye. Make sure you apply enough heat to the legs of the diodes so the solder works to both the board and the legs. The solder makes a kind of volcano shape when correct, usually.. vs a large rounded glob

Yeah, I was going by the reference photos posted before. I would have assumed the other way was correct as well, but if those are original boards, I went by what the photo showed.

I noticed one of the pins was missing. But I wasn't sure if that was a mistake or not.
I will remove one of the pins by the triangle.

Also, which pins are the Ground/Power for when I get my lights?

#1019 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Also, which pins are the Ground/Power for when I get my lights

Your soldering is ok.

Are you using 63/37 solder?

Its better and slightly lower temp than 60/40.

Its also flows easier and sets faster.

Maybe a dab of flux and reheat a couple weak and cold joints.

The components are on the correct side, the lamp side.

The triangle is for the missing pin.

When you make the connector you will put a little blocking piece in that hole to keep from installing the connector backwards.

Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.

The power and ground are listed there.

You will need this skill/knowledge coming up when you make the harnesses.

#1020 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Your soldering is ok.
Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.

Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.
Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.
Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.
Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.
Familiarize yourself with the schematcs.

... and the parts list.

Sorry to sound preachy but you should spend a sh*t ton of time with your nose in the books on this. Since you don't have a machine to reference... its going to be your only other reference material that describes how things are connected. Pictures are great but they only get you so far. Having a solid grasp of how things are wired... is going to be necessary... especially once you start connecting things up and really populating the underside of that playfield.

#1021 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Todays job. some shipments came in. Flippers. Thing Magnet Coil, Diodes (Somehow mis counted short by me).....
No lights to populate yet though. But I do have the old ones socket free
How do the flippers stay attached to the rod?
I also have to figure out where those rails go.
[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Hey 565
Looks like you soldered the header on the wrong side of the board. Check out Steve's pics on post 939. Will still work but I believe that Williams soldered them in from the other side for a little bit more stability.
Wally

#1022 3 years ago
Quoted from wallybgood:

Hey 565
Looks like you soldered the header on the wrong side of the board. Check out Steve's pics on post 939. Will still work but I believe that Williams soldered them in from the other side for a little bit more stability.
Wally

It was hard to tell from the angle, but it looked like the longer prongs of the header where facing the same direction I had them? maybe I guessed wrong.

#1023 3 years ago

Most definitely my favorite thread

#1024 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

It was hard to tell from the angle, but it looked like the longer prongs of the header where facing the same direction I had them? maybe I guessed wrong.

Good catch.

The cable clips should be visable on the outside if this header has them...

Long pins up, short pins down...

#1025 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

It was hard to tell from the angle, but it looked like the longer prongs of the header where facing the same direction I had them? maybe I guessed wrong.

You have the right direction but black plastic should be on the diode side. Check out the views of this pcb for reference https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/5768-12349-00
Also, Chris H (HEP) is restoring two TAFs in his thread right now. Should be good to follow https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hep-this-week-9-17-18/page/139

Wally

#1026 3 years ago
Quoted from wallybgood:

You have the right direction but black plastic should be on the diode side. Check out the views of this pcb for reference https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/5768-12349-00
Also, Chris H (HEP) is restoring two TAFs in his thread right now. Should be good to follow https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hep-this-week-9-17-18/page/139
Wally

ahh, gotcha. now I See. I guess I can always de solder and resolder it.
I only did two, so I can do the others the right way.

#1027 3 years ago

I am not the best solderer so how does that look?

I used up the last of my diodes so will have to order more. I guess they where out of stock and only had 15 to send.

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#1028 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I am not the best solderer so how does that look?
I used up the last of my diodes so will have to order more. I guess they where out of stock and only had 15 to send.
[quoted image]

Soldering quality is a combination of experience, equipment and materials.

- What kind of solder are you using?
- What kind of soldering iron are you using... is it temperature regulated or not?
- Keep your tip cleaned and tinned.
- Before applying solder you need to heat up the point that you will be applying the solder.
- Don't apply the solder to the tip of the iron but to the pad and lead on the PCB.

It looks like your solder is may be bubbling too much... which could mean you've got some less than ideal solder.

#1029 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I am not the best solderer so how does that look?
I used up the last of my diodes so will have to order more. I guess they where out of stock and only had 15 to send.
[quoted image]

Much better, now you can plug on a connector or remove a bulb from it if necessary, while its mounted.

Looking at the traces probably pins 1 and 5 are power and ground.

Cut off the pin #4 (marked by the triangle) that has no trace to it.

Your soldering is good enough and will improve.

#1030 3 years ago
Quoted from Ricochet:

Soldering quality is a combination of experience, equipment and materials.
- What kind of solder are you using?
- What kind of soldering iron are you using... is it temperature regulated or not?
- Keep your tip cleaned and tinned.
- Before applying solder you need to heat up the point that you will be applying the solder.
- Don't apply the solder to the tip of the iron but to the pad and lead on the PCB.
It looks like your solder is may be bubbling too much... which could mean you've got some less than ideal solder.

-Alpha Fry Rosin Core made in mexico https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00030AP48/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title
A Weller unit. 300W max found on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AS28UC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

not sure on the quality....

#1031 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

-Alpha Fry Rosin Core made in mexico amazon.com link »
A Weller unit. 300W max found on amazon. amazon.com link »
not sure on the quality....

Quality solder makes a big difference (especially the quality of its rosin)... consider this brand:
https://www.amazon.com/KESTER-SOLDER-32117-24-6040-0027-Diameter/dp/B00068IJPO/ref=sr_1_2

Also... that link does not point to a 300W iron. It points to a 40W/80W station. The only 300W Weller I see is the big 'ol Weller trigger handled gun... that would not be the correct tool for the job.

#1032 3 years ago

Solder added to the cart. it says 300W Max on the side. not sure if that is what it is or not . again, not an solder expert

I've only done it once before with R2 and that was for his lights and sound.

#1033 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Solder added to the cart. it says 300W Max on the side. not sure if that is what it is or not . again, not an solder expert
I've only done it once before with R2 and that was for his lights and sound.

Im using this solder and its very good, I stopped using 60/40 years ago and will never go back:

https://www.amazon.com/MAIYUM-63-37-Solder-Electrical-Soldering/dp/B075WB98FJ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

I have that weller 40w station you listed its very good and will last years, its in my tool box.

But I encourage you to get the little air/power/solder station I listed above for the workbench.

I use one like it all the time.

#1034 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Solder added to the cart. it says 300W Max on the side. not sure if that is what it is or not . again, not an solder expert
I've only done it once before with R2 and that was for his lights and sound.

As long as its not the soldering iron that looks like a handgun... with a trigger. You are probably ok. That 40/80W station is fine for what you need.

#1035 3 years ago
Quoted from Ricochet:

As long as its not the soldering iron that looks like a handgun... with a trigger. You are probably ok. That 40/80W station is fine for what you need.

Nope, it was definitely the one in the link I provided above .

https://www.mcmaster.com/rosin-flux-core-solder

any of these solders do?

I need to order more screws from them anyway and it can get here tomorrow . might as well order from the same place.

#1036 3 years ago

I am terrible at soldering but have done a bit of it. On a whim I picked up a soldering helping hands and while I thought it was a waste at the time I actually use it quite a bit to hold things in place while I hold the iron and solder. I use it to prime the wire tips and keep things where they need to be. It may be a newb tool but it has helped.

https://www.amazon.com/ProsKit-900-015-Helping-Hands-Soldering/dp/B002PIA6Z4/ref=sr_1_5

#1037 3 years ago
Quoted from pinhead_jack:

I am terrible at soldering but have done a bit of it. On a whim I picked up a soldering helping hands and while I thought it was a waste at the time I actually use it quite a bit to hold things in place while I hold the iron and solder. I use it to prime the wire tips and keep things where they need to be. It may be a newb tool but it has helped.
amazon.com link »

yep, I have something like that as well . I didn't need to use it this time though...as it wasn't as delicately close as R2 was packed in.

#1038 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Nope, it was definitely the one in the link I provided above .
https://www.mcmaster.com/rosin-flux-core-solder
any of these solders do?
I need to order more screws from them anyway and it can get here tomorrow . might as well order from the same place.

any of the 63-37 solders.

.031 diameter is thin and controllable, easy to melt, low heat. Most people use it.

Lower heat saves your boards and it nice if you have to desolder and resolder.

.050 diameter gives you a little more solder but also holds more heat.

I use the .031 and just shove more on when I need to.

#1039 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Nope, it was definitely the one in the link I provided above .
https://www.mcmaster.com/rosin-flux-core-solder
any of these solders do?
I need to order more screws from them anyway and it can get here tomorrow . might as well order from the same place.

Not sure what brand they are distributing. I've always used Kester ... so I can't comment. It's probably fine. 60/40 blend... I would keep the diameter between .05x and .03x. I prefer it on the lighter gauge ... but that's just my preference.

#1040 3 years ago

Ive been using silicone finger tips for awhile now and find them particularly useful when doing close work.

Wires get too hot to hold and you end up doing a poor job.

something like these:

https://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Protectors-HotGlue-Adhesives-Scrapbooking/dp/B07QQMJVWF/ref=sr_1_7

#1041 3 years ago
Quoted from Ricochet:

Not sure what brand they are distributing. I've always used Kester ... so I can't comment. It's probably fine. 60/40 blend... I would keep the diameter between .05x and .03x. I prefer it on the lighter gauge ... but that's just my preference.

ordered. getting here tomorrow.

still can't believe I went through 100 hex screws already and still need more.

#1042 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

hmm, looks easy enough.

I'll order a few. Thanks .
Once the 8-32s come back in stock.

I ordered them from PSPA.

https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/a-17838-1.html

It took a while for them to get here .

#1043 3 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

ordered. getting here tomorrow.
still can't believe I went through 100 hex screws already and still need more.

It never ends... until you are playing it. I ended up with a tackle box full of all the common stuff.. just stocked up on all of it when I did my restoration. You will nickel and dime yourself to death otherwise. When you comb through the parts list and look at all the different fasteners its mind boggling. Spend some time and stock up on the high volume commonly used items.

#1044 3 years ago
Quoted from Walamab:

I ordered them from PSPA.
https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/a-17838-1.html
It took a while for them to get here .

6 ro 8 weeks shipping from Wayne right now.

#1045 3 years ago

The weller gun type soldering ‘iron’ is great though for coil lugs and larger items outside of board work. I love mine

#1046 3 years ago

I use this stuff for PCB work. Flows really nicely and I've never needed flux with it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AYJ0B7Y

#1047 3 years ago

Here is my station and leaded in one pic

Great for pcb work

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#1048 3 years ago

I would have to agree with Mbecker...That gun is for larger things that require more heat, but totally awesome for which it was designed for...Shred, A finer tip, and a variable temp station would really clean up those joints, Jenn would highly recommend the Weller,(around 100.00) around 700 degrees, for that, with a very fine lead/rosin solder...That Eco stuff won't give you the melt and shine of a job well done.

-1
#1049 3 years ago
Quoted from dc2010:

Here is my station and leaded in one pic
Great for pcb work
[quoted image]

3.3% flu,
Did it come from China?

#1050 3 years ago

when your comet LED order gets diverted to Puerto Rico for some reason.... :/.

ahh, modern virus shipping...sigh.

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