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Addams Family - Scratch Build?

By Shredder565

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#751 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

With thing Parts ordered so far, total spent on project?
Around $5,000
once the cabinet arrives, it'll at least start to LOOK like a pinball machine that is mostly complete ;o).
Now I have to go through my complete parts list item, and check off the part numbers I do have to see what's left of the 3,000 or so parts needed.
but at least I can take a break from part ordering for a few weeks again. next time we pick up, i'll get a plastics set, a dmd, and maybe the flippers set.

$8500 is right about what a new game would cost.
So, youre not too bad at all.

#752 4 years ago

what the hell. last order for the month.
done buying things for a few weeks. the book case and thing assembly should keep me busy for a while.

ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Hand bracket A-15303 1 $28.95 $28.95
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Motor Thing 14-7966 1 $299.00 $299.00
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Motor bracket 01-10561 1 $14.99 $14.99
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Magnet core 02-4603 1 $10.95 $10.95
Machine Screw 6-32 x 1/4" p-ph 4006-01005-04 2 $0.11 $0.22
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Bracket - anti trap 01-10655 1 $22.99 $22.99
Machine Screw 1/4-20 x 1/2" p-ph-sems 4020-01003-08 1 $0.45 $0.45
Washer .205 x 1.00 x .055 inch 4700-00130-00 1 $0.29 $0.29
Machine Screw 10-32 x 5/8" sl-bnd-hd-brass 4010-01062-10 1 $0.39 $0.28 $0.28
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Hand cable H-15228 1 $12.00 $12.00
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Opto board A-15285 1 $29.95 $29.95
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Interrupter assy A-15310 1 $12.25 $12.25
ADDAMS FAMILY (Bally) Thing lower box A-14703 1 $79.00 $79.00

#753 4 years ago

thank you marco specialty parts for getting back to me in a fast fashion.

I thought something might be wrong with the order as it was t aking an unusually long time to ship and they confirmed some parts where on back order.
so they removed those parts and hopefully both orders will now ship soon.

may not have all book case parts, but at least close to it

#754 4 years ago

now, does the placement onthat subway chute look OK? something about it looks off...
I also can't figure out where my two purple star posts go.. I found all the clear ones.

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#755 4 years ago

delete info

#756 4 years ago

again, thank you marco. everything gets here thursday now, minus the out of stock items.

So, I'll be able to make a mostly complete thing and book case by the end of the week.

I also still need to know what I need to be able to install the main ramp. i know i am missing some parts, just not sure what.
I also can't seem to find where the two purple star posts go. they seem well hidden.

#757 4 years ago

Have you checked the manual for star post locations? That’s usually all diagrammed out and with part numbers/ descriptions

#758 4 years ago

Can you show a picture of the star post. The only two spots I see a plastic post. Besides the clear star post are here

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#759 4 years ago
Quoted from Mbecker:

Have you checked the manual for star post locations? That’s usually all diagrammed out and with part numbers/ descriptions

I can't remember if the manual showed the star posts....I will have to look at it again.
but the ones I can't seem to locate are these two darker colored ones.

maybe under some plastics?
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-8319-10

#760 4 years ago

Yes the manual shows a pic but I have no idea where they go. Sorry.

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#761 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I can't remember if the manual showed the star posts....I will have to look at it again.
but the ones I can't seem to locate are these two darker colored ones.
maybe under some plastics?
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-8319-10

PM the other restorers for pics.

#762 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I can't remember if the manual showed the star posts....I will have to look at it again.
but the ones I can't seem to locate are these two darker colored ones.
maybe under some plastics?
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-8319-10

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#763 4 years ago
Quoted from wallybgood:

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ahh, there they be. I think i put two white ones in there by mistake! I'll look when I Get in.

thanks!

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#764 4 years ago

I wish you the best of luck with this project but you are going to hit a point where your not going to find the part(s) that you need to continue.

#765 4 years ago

yep, already ran into some of that as a problem.

not looking forward to it being the main problem. it's great seeing it all come together so nicely and so fast. far faster than I would have thought.

although I know it's still got a long long way to go before it's even thought of as being powered on.

#766 4 years ago

It's inevitable, but also entirely able to be overcome. People are coming together to source these parts, having them made when there is no other option. It's not easy, per se, but it's also not impossible. Thanks to the hard work of people like wallybgood these scratch builds are becoming easier to implement.

#767 4 years ago

After watching the MadMax build I'm more confident than ever that if you've got the drive and passion... and ideally the right resources available to you anything can be fabricated. That build is creating some really awesome things. This thread is fun to watch and as others have pointed out time and again the Op is nothing if not inspirational in his positivity and passion.

#768 4 years ago

projects keep the fun of life alive.

they give you something to look forward too, and something to focus on. and a great sense of completion when one is finally done. Worked that way with R2, 3P0 and now hopefully the pinball.

everyone should have at least one passion project around to keep them occupied in life.

#769 4 years ago

Ok, I replaced the two white ones with the blue-ish ones.

And apart from a few of the posts I have left, I think that is all the white star posts needed on there, minus the two I need by the special lights (what is the part on the bottom called they are attached too?)

The placement of that reese rod on the top left doesn't look right though. but it lines up with the pre drilled holes perfectly.
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#770 4 years ago

also have to figure out still where these suckers go too, but it looks like some might be ramp supports.
the ones opened on the right are figured out already .

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#771 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

The placement of that reese rod on the top left doesn't look right though. but it lines up with the pre drilled holes perfectly.
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It looks like you've got it flipped 180 degrees. The cutout should be on the playfield/lane side rather than the cabinet side.

#772 4 years ago
Quoted from play_pinball:

It looks like you've got it flipped 180 degrees. The cutout should be on the playfield/lane side rather than the cabinet side.

I thought it was supposed to align with the similar sized cut out on the side of the board. but it's a little higher than the cutout on the board, that's why it didn't look right to me.

#773 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I thought it was supposed to align with the similar sized cut out on the side of the board. but it's a little higher than the cutout on the board, that's why it didn't look right to me.

Pretty sure thats where the diverter bracket comes up from under the playfield. I think you have it right.

#774 4 years ago

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/addams-family-scratch-build/page/11#post-5510750

Reference @bryan_kelly’s post from earlier in this thread for some good shots of the rails.

#775 4 years ago

Ok, so it does seem to be mostly the right place and looks like it needs to be flipped.

#776 4 years ago

the big shipment has arrived! although don't think I can attach anything even when I get it built just yet.

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#777 4 years ago

proper screws installed. rail flipped 180.

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#778 4 years ago

Nice work cool to see this thing come to gather. what are you going to do for insert led are you buying used lamp pcbs making new ones finding nos ones or just trying to wire it you self ? Are you making unatanuiom parts of buying used or nos ones

#779 4 years ago
Quoted from Parker_tz:

Nice work cool to see this thing come to gather. what are you going to do for insert led are you buying used lamp pcbs making new ones finding nos ones or just trying to wire it you self ? Are you making unatanuiom parts of buying used or nos ones

on the FB group, someone is going to do a run of new lamp boards. and someone is also sending me a file of ball guides that I can print myself from a company. that's two sets of parts out of the way.

So far, everything on this build is brand new. no second hand parts.

I've got to concentrate on the flipper build kits next.

#780 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

So far, everything on this build is brand new. no second hand parts.

So when you are done you will have the only new 2020 adams family, would we consider that a reproduction lol

#781 4 years ago

ordered 22 ball guilds printed from some cad drawings. we'll see how those turn out for $50's.

would be nice to be able to print a metal ramp too

#782 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

ordered 22 ball guilds printed from some cad drawings. we'll see how those turn out for $50's.
would be nice to be able to print a metal ramp too

Where did you have them made? Ball guides are not complicated - as long as your CAD is accurate, I expect they will be good.

#783 4 years ago
Quoted from pintechev:

Where did you have them made? Ball guides are not complicated - as long as your CAD is accurate, I expect they will be good.

the place recommended, a spot called sendcutsend.com

#784 4 years ago

Looks like they get here tuesday. not sure how many I'll be able to install when they do, but hopefully some at least

if we get those and the lamp pcbs out of the way, it'll be one step closer to completion

#785 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

Looks like they get here tuesday. not sure how many I'll be able to install when they do, but hopefully some at least
if we get those and the lamp pcbs out of the way, it'll be one step closer to completion

I imagine wiring in individual lamp sockets would be more time consuming and costly, but had you thought if it just in case lamp pcb boards could not be had.?

#786 4 years ago
Quoted from chad:

I imagine wiring in individual lamp sockets would be more time consuming and costly, but had you thought if it just in case lamp pcb boards could not be had.?

Get creative for lamp boards...find someone that old school etches PCBs or someone who CNC mills them. At least that’s what I would do. If you had a CAD drawing, CNC would be a breeze. Surely someone in the pinball world has the original transparent transfer prints from Willy back in the day that were sent to the PCB manufacturer? Really, someone having said prints could get a PCB CNC and probably have one hell of an enterprise making such lamp PCBs.

#787 4 years ago

I was told on the facebook page setting up the lamps was rather easy.

I think they planned to make these from wally drawings but I could be RC it wrong...

trying to figure out the book case assembly. I THINK the little metal shaft has to go through the entire motor based on the setup, but I'm having a hell of a time getting it to go in.

#788 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

I was told on the facebook page setting up the lamps was rather easy.
I think they planned to make these from wally drawings but I could be RC it wrong...
trying to figure out the book case assembly. I THINK the little metal shaft has to go through the entire motor based on the setup, but I'm having a hell of a time getting it to go in.

Dankme took care of the TAF lampboard drawings, I did the TAF ball guide/bracket drawings. Not real difficult but very time consuming. Took a couple of weeks to finish the guide dwgs. Once drawings are completed they can be sent to pcb fabrication companies (lampboards) and laser cutting services (stainless guides). Lampboards still need to be populated w/ diodes and headers. Guides still need to be bent. They're not original, new or NOS but are functionally OK.
Wally

#789 4 years ago

Watching this thread - cool!

#790 4 years ago
Quoted from ryanbrooks:

Get creative for lamp boards...find someone that old school etches PCBs or someone who CNC mills them. At least that’s what I would do. If you had a CAD drawing, CNC would be a breeze. Surely someone in the pinball world has the original transparent transfer prints from Willy back in the day that were sent to the PCB manufacturer? Really, someone having said prints could get a PCB CNC and probably have one hell of an enterprise making such lamp PCBs.

Pcbs are so cheap these days far easier to just send designs off, you get couple hundred made they are under a dollar each easy, plus you get a quality product with proper vias and solder mask etc... far better then anything home made which will be no where near the quality and takes ages to produce.

#791 4 years ago
Quoted from russdx:

Pcbs are so cheap these days far easier to just send designs off, you get couple hundred made they are under a dollar each easy, plus you get a quality product with proper vias and solder mask etc... far better then anything home made which will be no where near the quality and takes ages to produce.

Plus you can actually just send in the boards and have them copied.
4 day turn around in a lot of cases.

https://www.pcbway.com/

#792 4 years ago

Interesting thread, but if complete harness isn't found, I see major problem.
It's easy to populate new pf with new parts, into premarked holes.
Wiring this thing correctly, with correct wire colors for troubleshooting will be a whole different story.
Good luck.

#793 4 years ago

You ain't kidding, I been making Wpc wire since before this thread started, and it is a long, ugly, expensive project...It could be toned down considerably by not using correct colors, but that would probably make it even more confusing with the lack of documentation, crossover reference sheets, and a master copy change as per the manual...Not to mention a serious understanding of electronics, just on the matrix alone, That machine was cutting edge state of the art designed by a team of engineers...Not easy to duplicate.

#794 4 years ago

If it comes down to a manual build of the wire harness— It’s of course proven to be possible but without an example it won’t look like a production harness (esp if you aren’t familiar with pins and how the harnesses are made up and tied together) and I’m foreseeing a lot of headache and troubleshooting. Hell, troubleshooting a factory made game can be a nightmare sometimes - just for stupid little mistakes like a reversed diode on a switch.

To do it right though seems like you’d be sitting down with the manual and cutting and soldering wires very methodically and carefully. Not sure how you’d get all the lengths.. overestimating and clipping excess later maybe? (If you do this shredder, keep in mind you need enough cable back to the boards to pull the pf out of the cab and to lift it vertical.

#795 4 years ago

So, the bookcase build.

I think this sh aft has to go through to the other side but for the life of me I can't get it in..

is there something else to it?

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#796 4 years ago

Pull the roll pin out and make sure the holes line up. If they do you should be able to tap it in.

#797 4 years ago
Quoted from Mbecker:

To do it right though seems like you’d be sitting down with the manual and cutting and soldering wires very methodically and carefully. Not sure how you’d get all the lengths.. overestimating and clipping excess later maybe? (If you do this shredder, keep in mind you need enough cable back to the boards to pull the pf out of the cab and to lift it vertical.

I would imagine that you start by getting a measurement from the connector to the first item in a circuit(a row and column) and get that working. Then, run the next row and column. That's 3 new items. Test, and move to the next layer. That's 5 new items. Continue until you are at 8x8. If you test each new layer of components as you go, you will minimize the number of tests while isolating the problems to a single new row/column combination. If you use your own colors, create your own matrix and keep it with the machine. Maybe laminate a note and put it in the machine to help any techs who might be working on it in the future.

As a side note, since my from scratch build is heavily customized at the controller level, I have to do this anyway.

#798 4 years ago
Quoted from fiberdude120:

Pull the roll pin out and make sure the holes line up. If they do you should be able to tap it in.

been trying for the last hour . eventually I decided to see if it would go in without the plastic and no go. maybe I got the wrong size shaft? Roll pin 3/32" x 5/8" 20A-8716-2

thing is mostly built. two screws short to attach. and not sure if I have those wires on the right side before I solder. can't finish it util I get the hand, and magnet parts.
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#799 4 years ago
Quoted from Shredder565:

been trying for the last hour . eventually I decided to see if it would go in without the plastic and no go. maybe I got the wrong size shaft? Roll pin 3/32" x 5/8" 20A-8716-2
thing is mostly built. two screws short to attach. and not sure if I have those wires on the right side before I solder. can't finish it util I get the hand, and magnet parts.
[quoted image]

Roll pins can be finicky. Be sure to look at the shaft, usually one side of the roll pin hole of the shaft is tapered a bit and the other side is not. Don't try to drive the pin into hole that is not tapered. The taper is in there so that the roll pin will easily compress as it goes in.

#800 4 years ago
Quoted from ThatOneDude:

It's inevitable, but also entirely able to be overcome. People are coming together to source these parts, having them made when there is no other option. It's not easy, per se, but it's also not impossible. Thanks to the hard work of people like wallybgood these scratch builds are becoming easier to implement.

Hey, thanks, dude.

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