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Addams Family Reproduction PF Question


By CPR

3 years ago



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#1 3 years ago

Hey Guys;

I am just finishing up the CAD file for TAF and I have three examples of PFs that came out of games and yet again all three are different. When Gene remade these in the past he never drilled or dimpled but of course we will. No sorry dimple template for us, I'm adding them all in with the CNC on the front and using our dimple press for the underside.

But my question is that one of the three has a cutout on the front under the skirt area of the PF, but only on one of the three examples I have. The other two do not have it and the original production (Rev 5) CAD drawing of the PF doesn't have it either. Does anyone know what its for? If its needed or not??

Thanks
Mike
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#2 3 years ago

Is there a date on the playfield with the cutout?

#3 3 years ago

I vaguely recall my T2 pf having a cutout like that for a stick on bubble level - maybe that is it?

#4 3 years ago
Quoted from Arcadedl:

I vaguely recall my T2 pf having a cutout like that for a stick on bubble level - maybe that is it?

I have a T2 with that cutout as well. It didn't seem to have a purpose. And I can't think of anything under the TAF apron that it would be used for.

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#5 3 years ago

Wondering if it was a quality check for that PF manufacturer to determine how deep the top layer or wood was..

#6 3 years ago

I've never run across that on any playfield I've ever dealt with

#7 3 years ago

It looks like the IPB reproduction did not have that cutout:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wtb3-taf-playfields-new-or-used#post-3492959

I just went through a handful of TAF restoration threads and didn't see that cutout on the playfields.

It's probably safe to say that it's not necessary. I'm still curious what it's doing there, though.

[edit]: Found one with the cutout: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/my-roughly-11k-taf-restoration#post-3515023

#8 3 years ago

PLEASE PLEASE keep the cutout. While it may not be visible to the player, it provides a key much-needed access point to feed wiring through for such things as trough/apron lighting.

#9 3 years ago
Quoted from wxforecaster:

PLEASE PLEASE keep the cutout. While it may not be visible to the player, it provides a key much-needed access point to feed wiring through for such things as trough/apron lighting.

If you look closely, you'll see it's a blind hole. It doesn't go all the way through.

#10 3 years ago

it's only .062" deep. I suppose it's easy enough to put in and if its not needed who cares..... its under the skirt anyway.

Dates on the ones without the recess are Apr 24 and Jun 02 1992. No date on the one with the recess, which leads one to think its a pre production PF. Artwork on the one with the recess is markedly different as well. The one with the recess has almost every hole on the top with a black trapping layer, while the two dated ones have much less of this especially in the bare wood areas.

Mike CPR

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#11 3 years ago

A quick check and my DW and Gilligans both have this cutout

#12 3 years ago

Mine had this cutout but it was not needed for anything. I always wondered why it was there. Mine was not from an early run so it seems to have been there for quite a while (I.e. It wasn't because this was a sample game or anything)

#13 3 years ago

Funhouse has the same thing and a gi light is mounted there for shooter lane. Ive seen it on other taf playfields also but never used. Maybe pat l originally had the idea to put lights under apron like on funhouse? Reguardless i dont anyone would miss it.....

#14 3 years ago
Quoted from Arcadedl:

I vaguely recall my T2 pf having a cutout like that for a stick on bubble level - maybe that is it?

Right, one could remove the instructions card and check the level of the machine. I recall doing this in the past.

#15 3 years ago

I have that cut out on my TAF, but have no idea what it is for.

#16 3 years ago

AFAIK, the black lines aorund the cutouts/t-nuts was a specific thing one of the PF manufacturers did.

I know in Twilight Zone, the art is the same in a run of playfields, but one maker added the black lines around the CNC stuff.

#17 3 years ago
Quoted from Arcadedl:

I vaguely recall my T2 pf having a cutout like that for a stick on bubble level - maybe that is it?

Data East games. T2 didn't come with a bubble level under the apron.

LTG : )

#18 3 years ago

I have a cutout on my spare TAF playfield. I also took the pics of all dates on the playfield edge.

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#19 3 years ago

It could have been an export thing, i still have some of the bubble levels that fit in.

#20 3 years ago

Mike, judging by some of the posts in the other thread, it looks like you could sell a bunch more if you expand the run. Any thoughts about opening up for sales again before the line get started with the TAF playfields?

#21 3 years ago

More interested to know what shade of violet CPR is intending to use? Perhaps you could post a picture of the playfield that you intend to try to color match?

#22 3 years ago
Quoted from Jarbyjibbo:

Mike, judging by some of the posts in the other thread, it looks like you could sell a bunch more if you expand the run. Any thoughts about opening up for sales again before the line get started with the TAF playfields?

From what was said before, they are under a license agreement and cannot produce additional playfields. They are just producing the remaining licensed playfields from the old IPB license.

If it weren't for the number specified the agreement, I'm sure CPR would be happy to make more since the demand is there.

#23 3 years ago
Quoted from Jarbyjibbo:

Mike, judging by some of the posts in the other thread, it looks like you could sell a bunch more if you expand the run. Any thoughts about opening up for sales again before the line get started with the TAF playfields?

Hey Jibbo;

We plan to try and make as many as we can based on materials we have, at this time I figure we'll have between 5-8% more than we originally planned. However, this is just a wild assed guess because as you guys all know, stuff happens and we'll lose a few here and there to various things. We also have had almost 60% of guys back out of preorders and wishlists lately so I'll be surprised if everyone that wants one doesn't get a crack at one. Again, I could be wrong.

Mike

#24 3 years ago
Quoted from CPR:

Hey Jibbo;
We plan to try and make as many as we can based on materials we have, at this time I figure we'll have between 5-8% more than we originally planned. However, this is just a wild assed guess because as you guys all know, stuff happens and we'll lose a few here and there to various things. We also have had almost 60% of guys back out of preorders and wishlists lately so I'll be surprised if everyone that wants one doesn't get a crack at one. Again, I could be wrong.
Mike

How likely is that rocky and bullwinkle pf? Much interest?

#25 3 years ago

I'm told this indent is meant to hold a bullseye level. The issue was that they couldn't get the routing smooth enough, so Pat abandoned it for the level on the shooter lane.

It is completely unnecessary to include it on the repros.

#26 3 years ago
Quoted from sparkup:

More interested to know what shade of violet CPR is intending to use? Perhaps you could post a picture of the playfield that you intend to try to color match?

Excellent question. Some playfields are blue and some are purple depending on whether it was a SP or LS.
Which is CPR going with?

#27 3 years ago

Can't remember if mine has it or not. I'll have to check it when I get home.

I like the ideas as to why it's there so far:

-One PF manufacturer versus another
-Import vs Export
-Random sampling for checks with bubble levels

All are quite plausible. I know on other games they used to put an insert in there to check the thickness of the clearcoat(at least I think that's what I was told).

#28 3 years ago

If I send you my IPB for measurements and stuff will you dimple it while you have it

#29 3 years ago

I have a few games with the shallow pocket in that location. It's usually used for a out-lane kick-back coil bracket.

#30 3 years ago

Looks to be the spot for the bullseye level, my funhouse has one there

#31 3 years ago

I've got a NOS stock TAF playfield if anyone is interested.

EDIT: Sold, thanks all!

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#32 3 years ago

How much!?
What is the manufacture date on it?

Thanks

#33 3 years ago

follow

#34 3 years ago

March 28, 1994. Asking $1k plus any shipping costs if not local to Chicago

#35 3 years ago
Quoted from simplykind:

March 28, 1994. Asking $1k plus any shipping costs if not local to Chicago

Is it warped?

#36 3 years ago
Quoted from NPO:

Is it warped?

The worst part is the 50 or so missing holes and it does not appear to be dimpled.

#37 3 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

The worst part is the 50 or so missing holes and it does not appear to be dimpled.

Bummer. Had his asking price in my hand too. Rats.

#38 3 years ago
Quoted from NPO:

Bummer. Had his asking price in my hand too. Rats.

It is totally doable to make the swap still. I am doing it with my viking and it had none of the holes.

This one has enough to get you started.

#39 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

It is totally doable to make the swap still. I am doing it with my viking and it had none of the holes.
This one has enough to get you started.

I dunno. I'm feeling froggy about that. For $1000, I want a PF that is 100% ready to go. I just know my luck - I'll go to drill, and the wood will split and the paint will crack and - BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRGGG.

#40 3 years ago

I'm surprised it even has the T-Nuts cutouts as my original CAD drawing has them tagged for later drilling and installation by the vendor. And in fact, the samples I am using for CAD have had them installed later for sure as they aren't in the same spot on the all the PFs, close but not CNC close, more like jig and hand routing close.

I'll make an offer to anyone that needs it, I'll drill and dimple the front of this PF BUT and this is a BIG one, you pay shipping both ways and if it goes sideways in any way we're not responsible for it. It will be drilled and dimpled with the same pattern as our reproductions. If this PF is different in any way it will show up. That's why I NEVER use an NOS for CAD work. They are missing a bunch of holes, all the dimples and there just might have been a reason it was never used back in the day...... could be anything, (missing holes, bad alignment, wrong colored inserts etc) or there could be nothing wrong at all. It's just too risky for me to use for CAD work. I want a used one that came out of an actual game. Contact me privately for further info if needed.

As for colors we have the original films so the Pantone colors are specified, however, both of the original companies "should" have had the same information and yet they still wound up with different colors. Guess its not that easy

We'll order the Pantone colors from the color specialists as specified on the films and test them out to make sure they are right. If they match either PF then we'll know its right and use it. If it doesn't match either we might try to bend the color to match one of the original PF's we have. But I have to say I am engaging in a little bit of speculation based on a lots of "Ifs". They will be as good as we can make them though, that's for sure.

Mike

#41 3 years ago

PM sent to CPR here.

#42 3 years ago

Mike,
It is great to see your concern and communications with folks about details. I am still impressed with my backglass that I got from you last week. Thanks for helping our machines to stay alive.

#43 3 years ago

The last NOS TAF playfield I dealt with was 1/4" wider than normal. No idea why.

#44 3 years ago
Quoted from CPR:

As for colors we have the original films so the Pantone colors are specified, however, both of the original companies "should" have had the same information and yet they still wound up with different colors. Guess its not that easy

I work in the flexographic printing industry and we have had the same issue with different ink suppliers with respect to the differences in supposedly "industry standard" Pantone colors. Nevermind the fact that the actual colors used for mixing said spot colors are different as well(one Rubine Red is different from another company's Rubine Red).

Also, it depends a lot on the person mixing the inks and how much they actually care that day. Because these spot colors are still mixed from two, three, or even four other colors, if the any of the amounts of those base colors are off, the result will be off, too. And if they really don't care about being exact against the swatch book, close enough is good enough. Even the lighting of the room can play a factor in color hues upon test printing and swatch matching. This helps to partially explain the differences in color tones and intensities found on this page: http://www.hsapinball.com/HSA_PINBALL/hsa147tafcompare.html

From just looking at those pictures, I'd say Lenc Smith was about 5% low overall on Magenta or Rubine Red, and about 10% low on their overall blacks.

#45 3 years ago

This is gonna be interesting. I'll have to check my PF for the cutout and visually check/verifty colors against my different Pantone guides. Of course, I don't have guides from 1992 either, so that'll make a difference for sure.

#46 3 years ago
Quoted from CPR:

Hey Jibbo;
We plan to try and make as many as we can based on materials we have, at this time I figure we'll have between 5-8% more than we originally planned. However, this is just a wild assed guess because as you guys all know, stuff happens and we'll lose a few here and there to various things. We also have had almost 60% of guys back out of preorders and wishlists lately so I'll be surprised if everyone that wants one doesn't get a crack at one. Again, I could be wrong.
Mike

I would gladly jump on a waitlist for a playfield as mine is pretty roached and has a crack near the plunger corner..Is there anyway I can guarantee a spot on the waitlist? I see your website won't allow any more orders. Id even be willing to put a down payment down.

#47 3 years ago
Quoted from swanng:

Of course, I don't have guides from 1992 either, so that'll make a difference for sure.

I've done that, too, but I found no consistent exact matches. My guess is because of environmental factors like smoke, UV fouling either from the sun or certain types of fluorescent lighting, humidity fluctuations, time, and just about whatever else you can think of most likely contribute to those colors on the playfield not being absolutely 100% of the color they were printed as.

I'm guessing that's why CPR used three different playfields, as a way to kind of reign in color accuracy.

#48 3 years ago

Miguel-
I agree with you on that one. Though my Pantone guides have been protected, the playfield has not. I have an NOS playfield that I will check the Pantone guides against as well, and see what tales they have to tell. Also, I found out (painfully) years ago that even though a playfield may be NOS, it does not mean it hasn't been subject to adverse conditions before arriving in a consumer's hands.

#49 3 years ago
Quoted from orangedude71:

I would gladly jump on a waitlist for a playfield as mine is pretty roached and has a crack near the plunger corner..Is there anyway I can guarantee a spot on the waitlist? I see your website won't allow any more orders. Id even be willing to put a down payment down.

Shoot. I'll put down all $899 in one shot.

#50 3 years ago

2 IPB repros without the cutout
2 originals with the cutout , I guess for a bubble leveler as well.

An other thing:

On the NOS pictures there is no hole in the hole for the ball in front of the box with the hand.
On originals there are sometimes 2 posts.
On IPB repro is one post

Also many differences.
Will prepare pics later on.

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