This is interesting, I can't see anyone jumpling on the $7k bandwagon....The market (which is you if your reading this), just is not interested in Angus's big old face on a playfield....Rock pins should be about the girls for the sight (smell, feel and taste) part and the music for the hear and play part. I have no doubt the music will rock and hopeful about the feel and play part but come on, it's a horable playfield of dudes w/ a giant ugly ass picture in the middle and armpit bass players that may even be worse...If the LE bury him under the pf, that is an improvment but I sure hope he fades away like Creech fade or it's a Stern epic fail pin.

my $0.02

It's the old "If you have 7k to spend, you can spend it" thing.

Craig has it, he spent it.

I like Craig is a positive :glass is half full: kinda guy. I thought I was but becoming very negative since seeing the pics. The LE has promise

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+1 Mini-playfield looks great. The flippers look to be medium sized like Safe Cracker.

A full-featured AC/DC pin would have stereo sound. No question.

I have been assured by the powers that be, there are multiple mini-wiz modes in this (don't let the inserts fool you), as well as the "intention" to have a grand wiz mode with both fields going and the use of the cannon at the same time for the LE.

There is a small coil with a bunch of linkage to make 4 of the band members rock back and forth, the drummers sticks to go up and down, and Angus' leg to kick out. It's very cool. It operates with certain songs and modes.

Unconvincing? I would better characterize it as disingenuous at best. With the player and speaker distances/geometry involved, there WILL be a VERY noticeable difference in soundstage between mono and stereo. This is AC/DC music here. And any argument about "well, you wouldn't hear it much in a noisy bar" would also be BS. Aren't the LEs (and many Premiums) geared to to the collector/home-use market?

My interpretation is when the 3 drops go down you hit the middle hidden stationary target and that creates the solenoid to give "action" to the handle mech. I know there is a target behind the middle drop but not 100% on the set up or functionality.

I think with Lyman on the case he's going to do some impressive stuff with rules, both Pro and LE.

I don't care for the PF, but like the complaints about TRON looking like Funhouse, I'll hold judgement till I actually play one.

Still, Transformers and Tron were strong buys among my friends, and this one, not so much... hopefully it intrigues operators.

You may have noticed many inserts are clear on the Premium/LE. That's where the color changing tri-color LED's are going. These serve as a means to complete certain objectives. The upper 3 lanes will have certain colors lit and you need to complete them to get an instant multiball, extra ball, or light a lock via the color. I'm also told there is a single drop target behind the bell for ball lock as well as the quick firing ejector that shoots right through the pendulum ball. The LE has 2 ejectors vs. the 1 only in the Pro.

Each song has it's own mode and the rules are custom tailored to each song so that alone is 12 modes. TNT center drop targets, Rosie, HtH right ramp,RnR Train ramp, Hells Bells, etc...

I can't wait to see the LED animated flame board tunnel over the right ramp simulating flames, and the band member animated box in the back right.

nice.

Well lets not stuff around here. If this is Sterns best effort to compete with JJ then game over. JJ will dominate pinball for however long they want to stay in the game. Stern have only produced LOTR in the 10+ years that they have been in the industry by themselves. ACDC imo is going to be boring apart from the music. Do not expect a deep rule set, good jackpots or a great wizard mode. This is only a music pin.

There's some other great games they've put out: TSPP, SM, RBION, and Tron. I do agree with you if this is what Stern has against WOZ, then it may be game over.

Why does every AC/DC pin thread have fucking WOZ losers in it ?

Leave it alone already !

Jim

Remove Tron and add WPT and I'm in agreement. Stern has made several other pretty darned good games, like BDK, WOF, T3, etc.

jim, i understand your frustration. but you can't deny the parallels between the two machines.
ac/dc bible and wozecle are coming online at about the same time so it will happen.

both are priced in the same ballpark
sr best game to date
jj's first game to date

it's like clash of the titans with stern producing their best and most expensive effort to date and jjp, the young gun, putting forth his first machine.

i think comparing these two machines is only human nature.

i like your comment on the woz losers because it shows your passion that we all share for pinball.

i am a woz owner and your statement does not offend me in the least.

other people are passionate as well so i hope you understand where they are coming from.

your game will rock! no doubt about that jim!

You are mistaken, the "guys" on the team have said otherwise. As well as I have seen proof of the "investors" intention to make it a masterpiece and have given Lyman full go ahead to do so (no limitations-NONE-period). Gary doesn't call the shots anymore But I need say no more, let the LE speak for itself in 2 months.

And here is another tidbit you heard here first. NO ANGUS face on the Premium/Super LE pins

i hope you are right for the love of the game. anything short of amazing will have some pretty pissed customers, considering the huge price increase. and when there is an alternative...well we know what happens.

things are just starting to heat up! we are in for a VERY interesting 2012

I don't care about WOZ at all and I want to read things about the AC/DC pin and every thread turns into a bullshit comparison between WOZ and other games .

You guys are not getting WOZ this year , I wish you already had the game so you would just shut up already.

I don't care if someone says something bad about AC/DC but you guys comparing thin air to a actual machine really gets on my nerves !

Jim

What is a super le ?

Jim

+1

no offense, I hope that Jack hits it out of the park with WOZ but until he actually starts rolling out pins it's just premature to get this critical.

it's all good jim. the super le is the complete game, then comes the le and premium and finally the pro.

i think super le is new stern lingo for the le, but woz is a widebody/super pinball machine so stern might try to muddy the waters with this marketing gimmick.

it's all good jim...

Sorry to contaminate an AC/DC thread, but since you brought it up, name your stakes.

How many of those superpins are hits with high resale prices ? How many out of 7 made ..

Twilight Zone
STTNG
Popeye
Road Show
Judge Dredd
Demolition Man
Indiana Jones

All are superpins and few are super in value.

Just thinking out loud and I say, only two have decent resale value . Which ones ?

Jim

What is the over and under ?

it's all good jim...tz and ij.

2012 jan.1 to 2012 dec. 31 just like you stated as fact.

Oh yeah .. Good enough. I win

Jim

Ha ha quoted you before you hit the edit button ..LMAO

Jim

lmk when you want to sell dh if in decent condition jim. i like your wrapping job. i can't buy now but keep me in mind.

lol

nice try on changing my quote jim

geez...some guys!

DH is my best game I have ever owned . It might be a long time if I ever sell .

I agree it is all good , I just wish you WOZ guys would quit pissing on my parade..

Jim

You know that did not happen . I would have liked to have seen you face when you read what you wrote! LOL . I know what you meant, but still funny as hell .

Jim

Jim its WOZ, not WIZ...

good stuff...i know you look after your machines and are a straight shooter.

I think you nailed it Steve .

In my best Rudy voice "Hey ! Quit wizzing on my parade"

Jim

Tron: LOL! No modes, annoying sounds (fly on acid), STDM loop shots, flippers that are to the left of the player (you are standing over the right flipper).
WPT: Too easy, boring shots, boring sounds
BDK: This is a joke right? Hurry up manipulation so that you can get a billion... Useless joker toy for multiball. The game play was so boring/ bad they had to change the software. Useless mystery where it would award the same thing over and over
T3: Does not compare to T2. Too easy once again. Boring graphics and useless backbox feature.

The only games that *attempt* to come close to LOTR would be SM, and TF. Thats it. Could go some wireform ramps one time or is that too expensive like that special piece of wood???

Dont it piss you guys off knowing that the only reason Stern is making an effort is due to JJ coming on the scene???? Hmmm would ACDC been as good as it is meant to be if JJ didnt make pins?? I like to think so.... Competition is a good thing however it shits me to think that Stern was making no effort in the past due to them being the only ones in the market... See this is how it is:

Rocky: Willams Bally
Rocky 2: P2k, Data east
Rocky 3, 4, 5: Stern.

Its like sure they know its going to be a shit film but we can make money from it and destroying the previous great films in the process...

Ya, last I talked with Jack he said 60+ games were built already that was over a week ago.

Right on, wonder when we will see some factory pictures ? Has anyone seen a completed PF ?

Jim

I don't care for the theme, but pin feature wise anyone thinking AC/DC LE isn't going to be impressive is either a WMS fan boy (aka Stern hater) or works for JJP. And vice versa, anyone thinking Stern isn't stepping their game up because of JJP is flat out wrong.

Though WOZ theme isn't for me, I'm hopeful they will be in play for a 2nd pin with a more appealing theme...having said that, some of the forum posts coming out of JJP are not helping their cause marketing wise, IMO.

You think this is still correct?