Too you it means nothing. The fact for most and overall better sales THEME matters and in my humble opinion DI theme sucks

This definitely happens. The next pin is always the best. Lol. Lots of acdc owners have probably had their fill with it and are more interested in the next game. I'm in that boat. I voted DI simply because I'm a little bored with my acdc. Still won't sell it, but would rather have DI.

I play my pins a lot more than my PS4 now but gotta say theme matters a lot there too

I play NBA because I like basketball and I buy VR games that scare me

When Star Wars comes out people aren't lining up to buy it just because it's a sight unseen Steve Ritchie pin. It's 100% theme right now

In fact it was a very cool theme. DI is a theme too, just a bad original one

Aliens is about to start. Im sitting in the movie because I love theme.

Be back later

Jack said they've sold over 1000 already, and he expects to sell another 1000 while making that first 1000. It's going to do great.

Damn, dude, enough with the faux knowledge on DI sales. You're pulling these statements out of your butt. Like I said, Jack personally told me they've already sold over 1000, and he's projecting 1000 more just while they make the first 1000. 2000 pins at the START for ANY theme is GREAT in the 21st century. We're not in the 80's or 90's.

Dialed In will sell fine, and once more people play it, I expect it to be in even higher demand. It's a great pin (although I have no idea what Pat was thinking on the headphone jack placement - THAT is stupid).

Theme alone does not dictate pin greatness. And, once you PLAY the pin, you soon realize that it's more of a disaster theme and the cell phone is only one element. Players on route will love this pin, and it's deep enough that it will do great for home, too. I think TH was a stumble after the greatness of WoZ, but Dialed In is a strong return to form for JJP.

Jack is NOT the pillar of truth by any stretch

Always tells people what they want to hear

And I never said THEME is all that determined greatness. Just an important factor

Let's see what happens. I expect a group of pin enthusiasts to love it like any pin

In addition pricing is going to be a big factor also in slowing sales

I paid $6500 for my Woz. I don't believe there are 2000 buyers of DI pins over $8k

Unless the trend continues of dumping Hobbit and others to pay for it

Yep some of the top pins are original themes.... gameplay is what matters most at least to me.

Gotta say that I think Derek is on point with this game. Could not stand the theme but the game play is out of this world.

I prob should vote ACDC cuz I've had it for 5 years and still love it - but - we have no idea what the Vault Premium will look like or if Stern's QC issues will be taken care of. If I was making a decision today, it would prob be Dialed In - you just get more for your money with a JJP game right now.

I'm glad they didn't listen to the feedback. Dialed In! is Lawlor's creation and when you see this game in person you can tell - it just feels like a Lawlor game. I has that same fun vibe that games like Whirlwind and Funhouse have - it's colorful and bright and lighthearted. If they had changed it because of the feedback it would be something else and it probably would have been delayed like TH was.

Hey, look, they're working on it. WOZ and TH were delayed for years. Jack said production on DI would start in Q2. It's Q2 and production has started - give credit where it's due.

If you have been paying attention on here and at shows, you would know that this is going to sell well. Heaps of people on here have been saying they are going to buy it. Even people who were dead against the theme when it was revealed have changed their minds after they played it. The game just has a magical quality about it, it's modern with the crisp screen animations and sparkling RGB light show and yet it's very nostalgic because it feels like a Bally/Williams Lawlor game.

Furthermore, it has the new cabinet and a tonne of other improvements that they have learnt from their last 2 games and the extended testing time. It's just a solidly built, fun title and will sell because of that alone. Add all the other stuff and it should do really well.

Everything remains to be seen Solarvalue

I love Lawlor pins too so I don't doubt it will be fun to play. I just don't want to own it. And I've watched plenty of streams to know enough

As for how it will sell, let's see, there are hardcore lovers like you and I don't see that pool being that big

Pricing is WAY out of control and I doubt people have made the leap to say $8400 and $9400 is the new standard in terms of selling thousands of pins

If I'm paying those bucks I'm waiting for the next one up. Sometimes it good to exercise patience

Bond 007 would get my $$$

Big thumbs up for this. JJP is on target with where they said they would be. Night and day difference from WOZ and TH. Big time complements to JJP for being on time and releasing game three just one year after game two...JJP is getting where they need to be.

I think the 8-10k pool is bigger than u think..... look at mmrle, afmrle, bat66le/sle, wozrr/le, thle. Plus lots of b/w titles sell for 7500 -8500 pretty regularly.

DI looks and plays with potential and could be great!

Maybe folks did preorder 1000 of them but I just don't know anyone in the whole ATL area that preordered one and I know a lot of people.

ac/dc and no dialed in for me.

I cant get past the guy holding the cell phone and the theme, at Allentown I didn't even care to go play it and I own a woz rr.

to me it seems like a mess of things, drones, cell phones, sim city, selfies, a guy holding lightning bolts over his head like a la drac trac, play it with your cell phone (wgaf).

to me it seems like a mess. the art makes me want to puke I just cant stand looking at it.

many people like me wanted an unlicensed theme and we got what we asked for, just not my cup of tea.

Many felt the same until they played it.... then it all comes together and makes since . Many original themes and some licensed onrs are odd until u play them . Then you see/hear the world under glass come together to make pinball magic like the designer's intended. At least give it a few plays if u get a chance again.

I voted DI, what's wrong with a theme of trying to save a city from crises?

On the other hand I can't do AC DC don't want hell word in household and devil horns either.

Star wars is not speculation.

It crack me up that you believe everything that comes out of Jacks mouth.....lol

Better not turn on the TV in your house these days either.

TZ comes to mind as a similar game that on the surface looks like a mess of things - slot machine, gumball machine, piano, rockets, robots, etc. Great game. I find it fun exploring a game like that and seeing what everything is about. Many of my favorite games and ones I own I first thought were no good until I played them. I see no reason to at least try a new game bad theme or not.

People lament the art on ACDC, but DI is much worse looking IMHO.

Rob

I really don't understand why people don't like the art on DI: hand-drawn Art by John Youssi, bright primary colors and lots of fun little details. Does everyone really hate tucked-in shirts that much?

Yes. lol. It's just a weird combo of something contemporary (cell phones) with an early 90's aesthetic. They would have been better off with more contemporary art and a "cooler" main character. It screams "made by old people who are pretending to understand what young people think is cool".

Neither here...I don't like band themed pins, and PLAYED DI as much as I could stand at expo. Hope they sell many, but no way I'd every consider owning it. Theme does play a part, and for me, not going to happen ( love my WOZ, still their best game to date)....I'm just one guy, so that's one more for someone who likes it.

I like the art and theme. Maybe I'm just old at heart.

I can't wait to get mine.

The art on DI is horrendous except for the side changes in the back box

IF this theme was a James Bond Lawlor it would be a grand F ing slam

It's not and it will only sell within our small community

Agreed. Might be worst art on any pin ever

Point is, even if you discount it by 50%, that's still over 1000, which was the lifetime sales iceman44 said it wouldn't achieve.

Another thing that is not insignificant are the magnet differences with Stern and JJP

One magnet on a Stern pin is equivalent to about 5 on JJP since they can't use the larger design

Since they "tested" it for months I hope the magnet wear issue has been fixed

The most overblown fake news issue EVER is the omg the build quality is sensational

It's all in the game play right?

Nail on the head....a lot of people played it at expo, but many walked away quickly. No where near the cool factor that TZ has. Selfie capable and Cell phone ( it IS a major toy/ component, even if the game is taking you elsewhere) on a pinball? Not a chance....

Dude, they aren't even rolling off the line yet and the jury is still out.

But hey, I'm sure Jack has already sold about 5k of these

Real #'s are hard to come by for this very reason......I think Ice's prediction is closer than you think...time will tell. Hope they do sell a lot, as the machines are beautiful and built well, but seriously doubt it...

Great redirect. Back to the point. Jack said nothing about 5000.

You said it Dialed In wouldn't even sell 1000. Jack says it's already sold more than that and at the current rate will sell 1000 more before the first 1000 are done. Even discounting what he says by 50%, it's STILL around/over your lifetime number already.

Given that you haven't even played Dialed In or Houdini, it's weird that you're somehow an expert on both.

So you're holding Gomez to the broken code timeline process....will you hold Jack accountable if the real #'s don't pan out?

You really provide valuable content on occasion, but then come up with very sketchy logic at times. No way in hell anybody knows how many DI's are going to be actually bought...FACT.

Seems your holding Ice's feet to the fire for some reason on this # game. Not speaking for him, but doubt if he gives a shit...root for the game if you want, but don't discount others input that differs from yours ( I like Jack, JJP, Lloyd , etc.), but do not like the game...played it a lot at expo....anxious to see what they offer next....no biggie...

Same 2 or 3 people with the fight against dialed in and jjp ..... lmao.

Same magnet cores and playfield cutouts for the magnets have been used forever and have worked just fine . I suspect in home use there will be no wear especially if taken care of properly . Stern is the only ones who have changed this on the past few pins by adding a 2in metal ring around the core.

I'm an expert on Jack lying so i'll say it again, it won't sell 1000 pins.

Did you watch the ridiculous roll out at expo?

Star Wars will crush it and IF Alien can ever ship in quantity it will be what's up next time for JJP real fast.

Tz was not well received when released and now is a very sought after pin. Ive seen lots people come around on di after playing and suspect many others will also once it gets in homes.

MUCH better. Since TWD btw. And JJP can't do it.

Same crowd defending JJP. Lmao!

Bottom line, Stern will sell thousands more pinball machines in 2017 than JJP. For good reason.

Ice must be tuned in bc hes super annoying on this sat night.......

Yeah the Spurs lost tonight. And i hate LeBron too.

Yep so much better ...... ive never had any issues with the old design ? So its really not better as ive still seen wear around the new designed ones?