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So after spending some considerable time on this the last few days a few observations...

1. Holy *%#! does it drain the middle a lot. Especially the bell, or just coming off the pop bumpers with nothing you can do to prevent it. This seems like a pretty bad design flaw. I read back about the spring wire thing on the pros...I wonder why they didn't include that on the other models, or make it available at least.

2. The cannon. Why did they not at least make a little variety and have you shoot the bell or TNT or the lightning bolts for those modes? (I know you can, but you don't get anything for it). At least in some cases it does have you aim for something other than the lightning target.

3. If you hit the bell multiple times too quickly it won't register.

4. Never realized how long AC/DC intros are until you play this game over and over and drain before the first verse is over or sometimes even started.

Can anyone tell me what this is?

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My experience is it feels less about skill and more about luck. The number of shots that lead to a direct drain is maddening at times. It doesn't matter what angle you hit something at or if you hit it or biff it, if it doesn't bounce back toward your flippers, it is heading for an out lane. Conversely, If you don't 'biff' the bell shot a bit so that it bounces off something before coming back down (or put it all the way through) it's coming down the middle drain. The cannon is horrid as well, it hits, bounces to the other side, bounces off that side and back to the left drain. This probably is great for routes, but it is maddening for home use. I imagine most of the really high scores you see are people who hold the ball for every shot...which gets boring real fast.

And yes, my game is leveled and angled properly. I've seen some people talk about this game requires nudging...which may be the case, but I don't tend to do that much.

All that, I really enjoy this game...the damn bell hit is so satisfying...maybe the most satisfying shot of any game I've played...now if they would add a magnet timer so it doesn't swing for 30 seconds after the hit.

10 balls?? Blashpemy. You're going to hell.

Also check the height of the AC/DC drop targets. They are adjustable up and down by a few screws underneath. If when 'down' they aren't level or above the pf the ball tends to get stuck there.

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Band should move during multiball (honestly don't really know if it is all multiball modes or not as I usually don't even notice).

What version? I'm on 1.65 and they move during Jam and Album - I rarely get tour mb.

Okay I need some advice. I went through the process of leveling the pf top to bottom shortly after I got it to try to get past the SDTM from the pop bumpers. What this required was raising the front/rear right side feet about a quarter inch higher than the left which seems like way too much. It is very noticeable by the cabinet that you can actually tell that it is like that.

After playing with it for some time like this I still get way too many SDTM from the bumpers (I even have a rubber on that left post), and additionally I get quite a few cannon shots that land above the targets so they don't go down. Additionally many times after a shot if it does get to the flippers before the cannon is back in it's starting place the ball will hit the cannon.

All of this leads me to believe that having it 'level' is really making the PF twist causing these other issues.

Am I off here, or is this normal expected behavior. I've made adjustments here and there to try to compensate, but nothing seems to work. Is it just how this game is?

I know left to right is pretty darn level because the ball will actually hit a post and stay there...but it feels like level is the wrong setting for this game.

I know people say this game is hard...I don't think hard is the right word. There are so many instances where I don't even get an opportunity to touch the ball when it drains.

I don't really get what is being shown. Just looks darker (and I'm assuming the camera is the culprit here). You might want to explain what exactly you are showing.

Actually..that's not a bad idea. It might cost a bit, but making a whole new piece that looks like an amp wouldn't be that hard.

I get 7-9million for each lower pf game. I've never understood the hate of the lpf on this game. The rules for it aren't hard and getting those consecutive loops are not too easy.

4 is my top, normally I am just trying to get multiballs. Otherwise I can't keep a ball from draining for more than 20-30 seconds.

One thing I've noticed in watching videos of people play this game for score is the constant ball cradling for multiple seconds for every shot. Such a boring way to play...probably why I don't do that great.

Aren't the factory rubbers all black? (besides flippers). I think mine have only been changed once, if ever.

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Yes for shipping/moving. The older machines you actually put it in thru the bottom.

From what I've read and experienced they do not stack. You hit the bell so many times to get 2x, then so many more times (while 2x is still lit) to get 3x, and then you keep hitting the bell to keep 3x lit.

What you CAN get is 3x and super (double?) loops/lanes/targets which is essentially 6x.

I posted this earlier but apparently I deleted the wrong one - is anyone aware of a shorter path to an extra ball light? I was playing the other night and I got an extra ball on ball 1 and was only at about 15m when it happened. It lit really fast and as far as I could tell I hadn't done 30 combos or whatever is required to get it. Maybe I did and didn't realize it, but it makes more sense that I hit some other way to do it.

Been any word on updated code? I've been holding out.

I found this by accident a few months ago too. Kinda cool.

I find it hard enough to just keep the ball alive long enough to get too far into the rules. I notice on most of these are people holding the ball on the flipper every shot, that is such a boring way to play.

Yes I have that issue occasionally. It gets stuck on the gate itself, I don't see that it is resting on anything. It started after I raised the right side a bit to prevent the SDTM drains from the bell area.It doesn't happen very often, but seems to happen at the worst time when it does.

I thought about getting those, but it looked like flying balls would hit and break them like the cannon? Is that an issue?

From what I understand, that isn't going to help at all as the issue isn't on the top of the clearcoat. It's the top of the plastic and bottom of clearcoat - which you cant get to unless you follow what was shown in that other thread.

Never seen that....does that go over the band?

If its in an arcade, maybe it's just dirty? I have a 2012 and my colors seem fine.

I've learned to just kind of tune the songs out over time.

I think he was just referring to the song itself, not the jackpot.

I have found that if I wait to fire the cannon until it is on the return trip I have less issues with it not actually dropping the target.

I think it is the best of all the newer Stern band pins. I know lots love Maiden as well, but I just found it clunky.

IIRC that led isn't a normal led, it's a flashing led or something so replacing it with a normal led won't work. I swear that was talked about somewhere in this thread dozen pages back or so.

Yea, but they've been out of stock for a year. I've been waiting and waiting

Plunger should fire multiple times when you hit the bullseye behind the drop targets. (I can't remember for sure if it does anything different in TNT song mode versus hitting it any other time).

There's a magnet there?? You'd never know it as it swings free all the time after a hit. That being said, I am sure that hitting the spot bell does make it swing in 1.06 (which is what I'm on).

Don't most of us have the back right leg set higher anyway to reduce SDTM from popper exit/Bell hit?

I'm usually not a mod person, but for some reason this particular game makes me want to mod it to death

How hard are these to break?

I finished it myself. I just yell out OI! everytime I hit a target.

I simply do not have that level of OCD

Seems like a bad trade lol - also I thought you already had one. On the plus side, there's always lots of AC/DC's to grab later.

I'm still like 3 versions back. I don't want to lose the songs I have, and what appear to be custom animations to match(?)

Did they ever update ColorDMD for the new code?

It's normal as far as I know. I've always had the same issue. If you hit it hard, it swings forever.

I know in my case the magnet is working during hells bells.

Let me know, I have one

If you have the vault edition, then you can adjust that window with a screwdriver I believe.

I just went external sub. Cheaper and you can attach multiple games to it at once. I honestly don't see any other real issues iwth the audio quality on this pin. Damn thing shakes my windows. Most people aren't going to have this cranked to 100 while playing.

That's pretty much me too. I think I keep it at around 45 before people start getting annoyed. I sometimes crank it to 50 or so when I'm home alone.

I haven't played the virtual version, but AC/DC beats TMNT hands down. (at least if you like AC/DC at all). It is a hard game though.

The pricing of the original Luci and VE Luci are similar but it depends on condition. In some cases people will ask more for the VE simply because they are newer and probably have fewer plays. When I bought mine, I purposely went with an original because I didn't want to deal with the window (I have a HH which has the same style and it is annoying). The trade off is that you can't replace the window on the original. The only other major difference is that the drummer is blacked out on the VE due to that whole fiasco. Small differences in the speaker panel as well.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-premium-club/page/29#post-4750832

If it exists, I imagine candy apple red trim would look good (matching the powdercoat)

Curious is that a old Luci or new Luci?

Does that mean stripping and re-clearing?

Lol...you know, upon reflection, that was pretty obvious from your pics, but my brain apparently wasn't comprehending what it was seeing this morning.

I prefer the polk powered sub because 1. it's cheaper overall and just as effective (if not more) 2. you can double up with another game.

That being said, I have not changed out my back box speakers.

I mean, seems like a pointless endeavor. It amazes me how many people tie their self identity to the ratings.

That's what I've always done.

Has anyone ever had their speakers get 'quieter'? The backbox speakers seem to not be as loud as they used to be. Stock speakers with an external sub. (I haven't messed with anything to check yet....trying to figure out if I'm just 'hearing' things.

Now I want to ask what holds that wire in?

Okay.....my bulbs don't look like that, nor do they have the wires... is that on the original versions and not the Luci?