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#3151 50 days ago
Quoted from ray-dude:

Very excited to join the club today, and to finally have not one but two Lyman games in the lineup. Eager to really spend quality time with this gem
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I have to ask - what number did you get? Congratulations and welcome!

#3152 50 days ago
Quoted from GroggyFrogFace:

I have to ask - what number did you get? Congratulations and welcome!

265/300 The art package is incredibly striking in person (unexpected)

#3153 50 days ago
Quoted from ray-dude:

265/300 The art package is incredibly striking in person (unexpected)

I totally agree. I fell in love with the blue the minute I saw it (#213). It makes me happen when one pops up every now and then, and yours looks pristine.

#3154 50 days ago
Quoted from GroggyFrogFace:

I totally agree. I fell in love with the blue the minute I saw it (#213). It makes me happen when one pops up every now and then, and yours looks pristine.

I have an original Luci modded to the max that I’ll never let go, but the BIBLE always intrigued me. That’s a beauty, for sure. Feel free to post more pics of that gem

#3155 50 days ago

I played a LUCI a few months back that had been absolutely trashed. I don't think it was an original, but the re-release? It made me very sad.

Anyway, here are a few pictures. It has mods, and I've pulled a few off since this picture (the 666 sign caused issues with the ramp). I think the things that made the biggest difference were moving to VooDoo glass (which I just did), and replacing the incandescent with LEDs (I had a ton that had burned out over the years). Of course, the DMD is a beautiful touch. Certainly a pin that gets played almost daily.

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#3156 50 days ago
Quoted from GroggyFrogFace:

I played a LUCI a few months back that had been absolutely trashed. I don't think it was an original, but the re-release? It made me very sad.
Anyway, here are a few pictures. It has mods, and I've pulled a few off since this picture (the 666 sign caused issues with the ramp). I think the things that made the biggest difference were moving to VooDoo glass (which I just did), and replacing the incandescent with LEDs (I had a ton that had burned out over the years). Of course, the DMD is a beautiful touch. Certainly a pin that gets played almost daily.[quoted image][quoted image]

It looks fantastic, the BIB limited translite and cabinet art is what really draws me in. Beautiful pin and tastefully modded. I still need to install ColorDMDs in Metallica LE and AC/DC. Here’s my original Luci.
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#3157 50 days ago
Quoted from darkryder:

I have an original Luci modded to the max that I’ll never let go, but the BIBLE always intrigued me. That’s a beauty, for sure. Feel free to post more pics of that gem

100% credit to previous owner (HUO example here). Delighted to be the steward for this pin

The armor and tone of the side art was a very pleasant surprise.

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#3158 50 days ago
Quoted from ray-dude:

100% credit to previous owner (HUO example here). Delighted to be the steward for this pin
The armor and tone of the side art was a very pleasant surprise.
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Pics look amazing mate, congrats. I've had my ACDC LTBR the longest of any pin i've owned, such an awesome pin to play.

#3159 50 days ago
Quoted from ray-dude:

100% credit to previous owner (HUO example here). Delighted to be the steward for this pin
The armor and tone of the side art was a very pleasant surprise.
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That game is sick man, enjoy it. Love the black cat on the Back in Black!

#3160 50 days ago

It is beautiful. The laser cut side armor - that was one really hard let down with some of the later Stern LE's. It is incredible and I think makes the machine. But now you have to buy it as an add-on (Godzilla, I'm looking at you....).

#3161 50 days ago
Quoted from darkryder:

It looks fantastic, the BIB limited translite and cabinet art is what really draws me in. Beautiful pin and tastefully modded. I still need to install ColorDMDs in Metallica LE and AC/DC. Here’s my original Luci.
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The topper is perfect and it looks fantastic. The DMD was another mod that was an absolute must. It really is a perfect addition.

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#3162 32 days ago

Hi everyone. I recently picked up my premium (orig)and am having a problem, likely from shipping but Im not sure.

The game has the led lights coming from J5 malfunctioning. Here is what's going on.

Boards 1-5 are not working correctly.

The TNT, ACDC, Song Selection, Rock boards do not light up.
The led board at the bottom of the playfield (mode selections) is locked kinda dim on along with all of the other single insert leds that are illuminating at reg power from j5. Power travels through every other board to reach the board at the bottom of the playfield. When unplugging anywhere in the flow, those lights turn off.

I have tried reseating all cables. Read the manual, traced the wires. I have measured the test points on the driver board. The only one that seems odd is the 50v which reads as 75. The 5v, 12, -12 etc all read fine. If someone could list me which pins and what voltages on the boards., that would be amazing.

Anyone have this issue where one string stays illuminated (just stays on in test mode as well) and the rest do not work?

Where to start guys?

Thanks for any suggestions. I have a multimeter at the ready and just need to understand some of the logic, or flow. This is my first game diagnosing led boards etc. Owned plenty of older ones.

gary

#3163 31 days ago

Hi Gary -

Ouch.

The fun on the LED boards with AC/DC - they are all daisy-chained together. Chris Hibbler has a really good overview of this configuration on his website (https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Stern_S.A.M._System_Repair#The_New_Stern_LED_Lamp_System), including how to troubleshoot.

If one goes out, they all can go out, and you'll need to figure out the culprit (like a string of Christmas tree lights!)

Start on Y20 of the service manual and you'll get a good picture how they are wired together. J5 is found on page Y26. There are five lamp boards (520-5324-01 to -05) in the cabinet, and any one of them could be the issue. Like Chris said, you can use a z-connector to bypass boards and determine which one is actually bad.

From J5 --> Board 2 (Jukebox) --> Board 3 (Upper) --> Board 4 (Right 4-bank) --> Board 5 (Left 5-bank) --> Board 1 (Lower playfield)

I'd definitely start with his approach and see if you can identify the culprit. Otherwise, the cost of each board can be a bit crazy, and they may not be readily available. If you do find a bad one, they are easy replace, but it is tight around the drop targets.

Good luck and let me know if that helps any!

#3164 31 days ago

So if I were to disconnect every board and then run run j5 to the jukebox, it should illuminate? It did not and being that this is the first in the chain, I will try to connect the harness to try the other boards.
I had seen the flow of connections in the Manual. Are you able to point me to the voltages of the pins coming off j5, and when to test them?

Also, when using the x connector, isn’t one side 5 pins and the other is six? How does that work? Thanks

Thank you so much, everything helps. I understand the logic but am not going to throw parts at this.

Also, can I just pull all the board and plug them into the first cable? Does only j1 on the board need to be plugged in? What about the larger center “control” molex.

#3165 31 days ago

Took some pics of the boards. When placing each of them in position one from j5, only board 1 illuminated. These lights stayed on (not sure what should happen exactly)

The boards look to have been worked on in the past, and the chips all look burned on top.

What can be the cause of that? They all do look original.

Anybody repair these?

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#3166 31 days ago
Quoted from baltistyle:

So if I were to disconnect every board and then run run j5 to the jukebox, it should illuminate? It did not and being that this is the first in the chain, I will try to connect the harness to try the other boards.

J5 to J1 on Board 2. Since it is first up, that might tell you something, yes.

So which board lit up? I'm guessing that was the 4 drop-bank. After you connected that, did you then try connecting the J2 to the next J1 in the chain with a 2nd board?

Quoted from baltistyle:

I had seen the flow of connections in the Manual. Are you able to point me to the voltages of the pins coming off j5, and when to test them?

I really wish I could find that for you, but no, it's not in the manual from what I can see. I suspect they are all 3 to 5v and if I get a chance, I'll check mine. The problem was that when AC/DC came out in 2012, the original manual actually never referenced J5 (it has J13 which were 18v lamp colums). When you get to the updated manual for the reissue (whenever that was), maybe I am blind, but I don't see any reference to J5 on pages 73 to 77. I've not been able to find any reference to it, but you might have luck looking at the manuals for some of the other pins that had the same board (520-5317-00).

Quoted from baltistyle:

Also, when using the x connector, isn’t one side 5 pins and the other is six? How does that work?

Do you mean a z-connector? I've not used one for this application, so hopefully someone can chime in that's better at this than I am. But I am guessing you'd use a 6-connector on both sides (and yeah, get someone to back that statement up!). I've not seen a 5-6 pin z-connector.

Quoted from baltistyle:

Thank you so much, everything helps. I understand the logic but am not going to throw parts at this.
Also, can I just pull all the board and plug them into the first cable? Does only j1 on the board need to be plugged in? What about the larger center “control” molex.

Not sure what you mean bout the center "control" molex, tho?

I'll take a look at mine and see if the have the same weirdness on the chips.

As for if anyone repairs these, the first person I would start with is Chris. I've had him work on a board and he did wonderful work. But because the chips are special, they might be throw-aways. I'm just not sure.

#3167 30 days ago

Giving my BIBLE a 10 year tune-up.
This one had the cloudy window, installing a nice clear one.
Yes, the new one does have the signature from The King.

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#3168 30 days ago

Does that mean stripping and re-clearing?

#3169 30 days ago
Quoted from Zablon:

Does that mean stripping and re-clearing?

Doing a playfield swap, to a NOS LE playfield, those had extra clear coat layer and Steve Ritchie signature under it.
Also installing new ramps and plastic set.
Washed harness and cleaning up all assemblies.
Then back on route!

#3170 30 days ago

I wanted to give a quick shout out to Brandon ArcadeUpkeep for his dimming backbox lighting. The one and only things I didn't enjoy in my BIBLE was the damn fluorescent light, and that is thankfully gone now.

Took a little bit of "adjusting" with a box cutter to fit around the heat sink at the lower left, but just fantastic - love the even lighting, love having an attract mode brightness and in game brightness setting, and love that it is straight LED lighting (no Christmas tree effect). Price is extremely reasonable as well.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1233-arcade-upkeep/03117-dimming-backbox-panel

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#3171 30 days ago
Quoted from DNO:

Doing a playfield swap, to a NOS LE playfield, those had extra clear coat layer and Steve Ritchie signature under it.
Also installing new ramps and plastic set.
Washed harness and cleaning up all assemblies.
Then back on route!

Lol...you know, upon reflection, that was pretty obvious from your pics, but my brain apparently wasn't comprehending what it was seeing this morning.

#3172 30 days ago
Quoted from GroggyFrogFace:

J5 to J1 on Board 2. Since it is first up, that might tell you something, yes.
So which board lit up? I'm guessing that was the 4 drop-bank. After you connected that, did you then try connecting the J2 to the next J1 in the chain with a 2nd board?

I really wish I could find that for you, but no, it's not in the manual from what I can see. I suspect they are all 3 to 5v and if I get a chance, I'll check mine. The problem was that when AC/DC came out in 2012, the original manual actually never referenced J5 (it has J13 which were 18v lamp colums). When you get to the updated manual for the reissue (whenever that was), maybe I am blind, but I don't see any reference to J5 on pages 73 to 77. I've not been able to find any reference to it, but you might have luck looking at the manuals for some of the other pins that had the same board (520-5317-00).

Do you mean a z-connector? I've not used one for this application, so hopefully someone can chime in that's better at this than I am. But I am guessing you'd use a 6-connector on both sides (and yeah, get someone to back that statement up!). I've not seen a 5-6 pin z-connector.

Not sure what you mean bout the center "control" molex, tho?
I'll take a look at mine and see if the have the same weirdness on the chips.
As for if anyone repairs these, the first person I would start with is Chris. I've had him work on a board and he did wonderful work. But because the chips are special, they might be throw-aways. I'm just not sure.

I have figured out some further items. First, to answer your questions. The board that illuminated was the lower playfield board.
I was able to follow the manual to see that the power side of the boards are the j1 side and the slave side is J2, each has six active pins but the J1 plug has seven spaces and a key. So a direct harness to harness connection (yes I meant Z before) would not work. So What I did was move every board into position one.

By control molex, I meant the j3 connections that switch the lighting, vs powering. This was not needed for diagnosis of the board unless someone tells me otherwise, please..

I was able to verify the five volts at the j5 pin one connection. The online manuals have J5 and list the feeds to it.

I followed another members advice and then tried to power the boards with a small battery. The only board to illuminate with a battery was also the lower playfield board. I was able to power the lights individually by powering pin one of J1 and then connecting to the negative side of the led. No other Leds on any boards would illuminate.

Am I to surmise that all of these boards are dead? I assume that the individual leds slowly burned out over time and then the boards were just never replaced, leading the lower playfield board to be locked on. Anything else to test on the board?

Thanks for any other information, much appreciated. The game is awesome but I have to say Im not to happy about the lighting issue as it makes the game unreadable.

Is there anything I am not trying? Is there another way to try to power the board or the individual leds?

Gary

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#3173 21 days ago

Finished the swap! Looking good for 37k plays!

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#3174 21 days ago

Looks great bro!

#3175 17 days ago

So question for everyone with an BiBLE...

How does one go about getting a new EPROM? If I attempt to do an firmware upgrade, the game freezes. The only way to recover is to power off / power on.

Will not boot when dipswitch 8 is turned on. Tried different USB, etc and it just doesn't like it.

Stern tested the board and they said there wasn't any issues. I can pull the EPROM and throw it in another CPU board and the pin never boots. This leads me to believe I may have a corrupted EPROM.

I have asked both my vendor (Automated) and Stern about how to get a new EPROM, and Automated told me to contact Marco. Unfortunately, talked to Marco and they can't help. Stern said to go through my vendor, but ...

Anyone have any ideas? Thank you in advance!

#3176 15 days ago

I'm going to look at a luci in 2 days, does the sam hold lifetime plays, or erase on code updates?

#3177 15 days ago

Eraases on updates

#3178 15 days ago
Quoted from Hayfarmer:

I'm going to look at a luci in 2 days, does the sam hold lifetime plays, or erase on code updates?

Only paid credits will remain. So, if is was routed there will be a lifetime mentioned but only of games paid for. So, if for instance 1000 HUO games have been played afterwards and a software update was done it will not be shown. Last software update was however years and years ago.

Condition is king I always say.

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