AC/DC (LE)
Stern, 2012
AC/DC (Premium)
Stern, 2012Quoted from MikeS:no thanks. I'll take a bulletproof SAM ACDC over SPIKE any day of the week.
I believe this Lucy VE is still SAM and not SPIKE?...How many SAM boards does Stern still have? Has STERN ever transferred a SAM game to a SPIKE system?
Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:Tron vault makes no sense to me though. They released it, re-vamped it with the girls translite, etc., and I just don't see a big enough demand for a remake at the new prices.
Says the guy with a Tron.
It's obvious that demand exceeds supply for this title. That's why used Pro's still sell for significantly more than they did NIB. If enough demand is there, it certainly would make a good candidate for a VE.
Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:Tron vault makes no sense to me though. They released it, re-vamped it with the girls translite, etc., and I just don't see a big enough demand for a remake at the new prices.
I think there has been a large influx of people into the hobby that happened after TRON was released, and certainly after they realized how awesome of a game it is. If STERN is still working with Disney on other licenses, it seems like it'd be straight-forward to renew. The playfield itself does not have very many unique mechanisms, so reproduction would be pretty easy as well. Top that off with there being a lot of us that would like one but not wanting to pay the over inflated price on it right now. If I'm going to pay a premium I'd rather get NIB.
Those photos of the playfield can't be correct... the drummer is still there. He was wiped clean on the VE.
Quoted from Allibaster:Says the guy with a Tron.
It's obvious that demand exceeds supply for this title. That's why used Pro's still sell for significantly more than they did NIB. If enough demand is there, it certainly would make a good candidate for a VE.
To be honest, I bought a used Tron last year obviously for more than NIB cost, and I was hedging my bets that they didn't come out with a VE this year. I was a bit relieved at this announcement to make me feel better about my purchase 
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:Based on all of the people that keep asking for a remake I think there would be plenty of demand for a TronVE, but there's no way to prove one way or the other without making it and seeing how many people order :/
They could open a pre-order list, actually there are a lot of ways they could gauge the demand, all they need to do is communicate.
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:To be honest, I bought a used Tron last year obviously for more than NIB cost, and I was hedging my bets that they didn't come out with a VE this year. I was a bit relieved at this announcement to make me feel better about my purchase
I don't blame you at all. If I bought a game at a specific value, I wouldn't want to sell it at a significant loss down the road.
Tron could use another run, for sure. I've thought about selling mine before, but have always held off because I love the game and I'm afraid that getting one back would be real hard. I also own every single translite made for the game, and I'd hate to lose that.
Quoted from T-800:I think there has been a large influx of people into the hobby that happened after TRON was released, and certainly after they realized how awesome of a game it is. If STERN is still working with Disney on other licenses, it seems like it'd be straight-forward to renew. The playfield itself does not have very many unique mechanisms, so reproduction would be pretty easy as well. Top that off with there being a lot of us that would like one but not wanting to pay the over inflated price on it right now. If I'm going to pay a premium I'd rather get NIB.
It's kind of crazy to look back and think that Tron and Tron LE were released at a time that pre-dated LED's in pinball machines as both games are incandescent from the factory. If there was ever a game that would benefit from color changing GI and insert lighting Tron VE would be it!
I bought a premium standard edition vault last year, not mad at all. Also have a Tron, make some more if the demand is there!
Remakes are great for new people that might be apprehensive about maintaining a used machine. I’d rather lose some value in a machine I own and see continued healthy sales across the board.
Quoted from MikeS:It's kind of crazy to look back and think that Tron and Tron LE were released at a time that pre-dated LED's in pinball machines as both games are incandescent from the factory. If there was ever a game that would benefit from color changing GI and insert lighting Tron VE would be it!
TRON LE came with LED feature lamp boards from the factory.
I guess I'm in the minority with the Luci edition. I think the art on that edition looks terrible.
I get people liking nice hand drawn art but that cabinet and translight art are poorly drawn and she is a weird purple colour.
It doesn't even match the style or colour scheme of playfield and looks like a complete after thought (which I guess it was).
The only reason people want one over a regular premium is because of its relative rarity but that's only because very few people wanted it in the first place.
Quoted from RJW:The only reason people want one over a regular premium is because of its relative rarity but that's only because very few people wanted it in the first place.
Or maybe some people like it better and could care less about rarity. Art is extremely subjective and expecting others to like exactly what you like is not overly reasonable.
Quoted from RJW:I guess I'm in the minority with the Luci edition. I think the art on that edition looks terrible.
I get people liking nice hand drawn art but that cabinet and translight art are poorly drawn and she is a weird purple colour.
It doesn't even match the style or colour scheme of playfield and looks like a complete after thought (which I guess it was).
The only reason people want one over a regular premium is because of its relative rarity but that's only because very few people wanted it in the first place.
It looks better in person, but yeah, I prefer the standard premium in regards to art. The BIBLE blows either away though. That is a beauty.
Quoted from RJW:I guess I'm in the minority with the Luci edition. I think the art on that edition looks terrible.
Yeah I've never "got it" either but the people, they love it.
It's the fine line of wanting better art then just a couple of old farts, but also having anyting to do with the theme. Metallica pulled it off but that was a miracle.
Quoted from MikeS:My favorite version (what I did) was put the Luci translite in the regular ACDC Premium. It looks great together and is the perfect mix of classic ACDC and LUCI. I've had 3 different translites in my Premium at various times and would rate them: LUCI>Pro>Premium.
Post a pic for us if you don't mind 
All of this to me means that the factory needs something to do until the next release (Iron Maiden). Seems as if they are now caught up with orders and need to keep the factory running.
Quoted from PoMC:Maybe this loosens up a few used pros for sale locally?
You don't want the pro version of this game... Premium is the way to go!
Quoted from MikeS:no thanks. I'll take a bulletproof SAM ACDC over SPIKE any day of the week.
agreed. Stern can shove spike up their ass.
Quoted from Darscot:This type of move seems so short sighted to me. I'm not in the LE market but I thought the appeal and willingness to shell out that extra money is the rarity and uniqueness of the pin. If Stern is going to turn around and sell more its like they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. It's just damaging that market down the road.
True, but others do it to, so why not them, And i have a Luci already
But JJP being the ass they are started all this. I bought Limited Emerld City, they they made the limited for automated, then the aussie, then the ruby...
same with hobbit, I bought the hobbit pro (decals instead of direct print like when i ordered) then smaug, then black arrow ...
Quoted from Tilt:True, but others do it to, so why not them, And i have a Luci already
But JJP being the ass they are started all this. I bought Limited Emerld City, they they made the limited for automated, then the aussie, then the ruby...
same with hobbit, I bought the hobbit pro (decals instead of direct print like when i ordered) then smaug, then black arrow ...
LEs, regional-specific features, and special editions go back a long, long ways.
Quoted from RVApinballer:Post a pic for us if you don't mind
Here ya go!
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Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:Tron vault makes no sense to me though. They released it, re-vamped it with the girls translite, etc., and I just don't see a big enough demand for a remake at the new prices.
TRON VE is about as close to a no brainer based on current demand, used prices, and the new possibilities a vault treatment will provide.
Quoted from Gryszzz:Indy 500 driver FTW! Nice Mike!
Thanks. Although the actual guts have been replaced with a PS3 and Logitech G27 racing wheel and pedals. Can play a whole lot more games that way!
Quoted from arcademojo:You could actually buy the translite cab art and other parts from Marco for the Lucy, I know 2 people that turned their premiums into Lucy pins.
They pulled everything a month or so ago.
Lower playfield is also slightly different......
Quoted from jgentry:Or maybe some people like it better and could care less about rarity. Art is extremely subjective and expecting others to like exactly what you like is not overly reasonable.
Ya, I guess you didn't read the part where I acknowledged I'm in the minority on my feelings towards the Luci art package?
Quoted from MikeS:Here ya go!
I think that is the best combination of artwork (translite/cabinet). Looks great!
I wish there was a translite option that matched the original artwork better and didn't have old dudes or cartoon chicks on it. Something with the ACDC logo, maybe some guitars/amps...can't be that hard to do. Not as much work as new art on the playfield which would also be nice but a crazy project.
Quoted from jar155:Tron could use another run, for sure. I've thought about selling mine before, but have always held off because I love the game and I'm afraid that getting one back would be real hard. I also own every single translite made for the game, and I'd hate to lose that.
tron it's calling.
Quoted from RJW:Ya, I guess you didn't read the part where I acknowledged I'm in the minority on my feelings towards the Luci art package?
I read that, then I read that the only reason people want it is because it's rare. I don't think you are in the minority though or it would have sold better. But there's enough people that like it that they can crank out 100-200 or so more and make some $.
Quoted from thedarkknight77:I am buying!
I’m want to help unbox!
Quoted from DerGoetz:But it will have the current cabinet, the current playfield quality risk (role of the dice as far as what you end up getting), the ugly bolt on window....it's not like CGC where the remakes are desirable....
I had the original premium and sold it. I just picked up the premiumve. You dont even notice the bolts for lower playfield when playing. Itll be so much easier to clean than the original.
Quoted from T-800:My guess is they have parts left over from the first vault run and are offering a "new" vault to burn through those excess parts.
Quoted from MikeS:My guess is that the ACDC Premium VE didn't sell as well as they expected and instead of having parts sit around they ordered more LUCI decals and translites and decided to create more demand by re-releasing the LUCI package. It's not limited and likely doesn't cost them any additional licensing $ so why not.
And yes, a final code update would be sweet! Pretty please Lyman
Quoted from kermit24:All of this to me means that the factory needs something to do until the next release (Iron Maiden). Seems as if they are now caught up with orders and need to keep the factory running.
I think the buying frenzy has cooled off lately
Pure speculation on my part but it felt like AC/DC VE was rolled out to move units after demand for new releases fell short yet it was sorta too little too late at too high of a price for a DMD game that most folks already owned if desired.
Then again maybe the factory move was to increase productivity so there’s actual inventory to sell!?! Imagine that!
Still... a NIB Luci is tempting me. Then again holy shit it’s expensive and the ColorDMD is a must have added cost that I cannot ignore & QC is unknown like a mofo on this title.
First World problems. I might get this one. Cool problem to have!
I think its great they are doing another run.Always liked the luci art the most myself.Figured I'd finally buy one someday even in the 8 to 10k range when the timing was right.Time will tell If the originals drop a bit in price because of this run but I'm not so sure,Still pretty much a "grail" machine to me with its history and pricing levels.
Quoted from delt31:Really disappointed it's not Tron. The demand is so clear for that game look at the prices for the pro and forget the le. Such a missed opportunity. When is that game going to come out?!
A Tron Premium would be an interesting vault for sure.
Would please many except the 400 LE owners but Stern are a manufacturing company and it seems like an obvious choice for them to do.
The Premium with the Luci Translite is looking nicer than I did expect. Nevertheless my personal preference is this, Premium with LE siderails / hinges and Helen package. Red Apron with Helen Cards missing in the pictures.
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Quoted from Shapeshifter:A Tron Premium would be an interesting vault for sure.
Would please many except the 400 LE owners but Stern are a manufacturing company and it seems like an obvious choice for them to do.
I don’t think they would do a Tron Premium. Close, maybe add fiber optic ramps and lit recognizer, but I don’t think they would add all the features of the LE. No daft punk multiball as much as I would like to hope.
A Tron VE will sell at premium prices though.
Quoted from jar155:It looks better in person, but yeah, I prefer the standard premium in regards to art. The BIBLE blows either away though. That is a beauty.
Word. That Back in Black LE is the best looking one by FAR. Wish I had got one.
Quoted from PinMonk:Word. That Back in Black LE is the best looking one by FAR. Wish I had got one.
Not the consensus, but I disagree Vic. I bought a BIBLe on preorder and switched to a LTBR after I seen the backglass. Looks ass to me.
After the new Luci's come out LTBR will be the true LE again with production #s at 200. ( the least amount made )
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