$1000 profit x 500 machine doesn't seem outrageous to me.

So.... we DO or we DON'T want Luci made again? Poll, please!

I'm gonna re-visit this topic via my WABAC machine in 2018 when the license has been reacquired for a run of ACDC VE's and say, "I told you so."

Or, I'm gonna completely "drain" this topic if I turn out to be wrong and Iron Man VE2's are on the line at the time.

If only 200 Luci pins sold in 6 months... I can't see them being re-run.

Not quite sure if it's outrageous, but it does sound a bit on the high side.

If Stern could sell 500 more AC/DC pins, that would be $1000.00 for the license on each one.

But if they could sell 1000 more, that goes down to $500.00 per pin. Etc. But I don't think that they could sell that many, and therefore it wouldn't be worth doing.

Yea, Gary Stern thought the same way. Gene/Kiss never budged on their price. After waiting for nearly 10 years, with the price going UP every year Gary finally caved and paid what they demanded. And it was way north of 1.5 million for 3 years.

Pure speculation.... who is the source of the rumor? And don't you own 2 Luci's?

Rumor was IM would never be remade because of licensing also, and it was.

I have a feeling we'll see another AC/DC run at some time in the future.

Music licensing is much more complex and expensive.

Stern has an ongoing thing with Marvel/Disney for multiple titles....much easier to work out a small run deal.

And actually, Gary Stern himself told everyone at a Florida convention that IM would never be made again. So anything is possible.

Being that AC/DC is one of (if not THE) best seller they've had in 10 years, I think we'll see some more. And with Luci being the hot thing right now, it would make sense to make more of them.

Yup

They sold all they could and won't do anymore acdc just for a few people that missed the freakin bus !

What are the next pins that people are going to miss the bus on? Are people going to clamor for Metallica VE 2 weeks after production stops?

There are already a lot of folks screaming for another Metallica premium run lol there are plenty of threads on the subject lol what's even funnier is that there are still some out there NIB

If you cant see the difference between the 2 let me know and most here can explain the difference.

Funny as this thread is purely a rumor speculation thread.

See above if you cant see the difference between Iron Man & ACDC.

If you can't see why I said that a title could be re-run again when Stern said it would not, let me know, most on here can explain also. But you're too thick skulled and a Luci owner who hopes to keep the value up, we get it.

You seem pretty defensive about the possibility of Luci being re-done, we get that yours is going to lose value or be worth less with speculation. My bet is on that you don't have a real life outside of Pinside.

Oh, BTW, MM will never be redone!! oh wait...

Comparing a game that had a little over 1000 units run to their best selling game ever. Running 200-300 units wouldnt make sense for the cost of renewing the license. If they could fill another 1000-1500 units maybe? The 15-20 people on pinside hoping for a rerun I doubt has Stern ready to rerun them when they were readily available just 1 year ago and they couldnt sell more then a few hundred Luci's.

I could care less if the redo them as mine is never leaving. Maybe those that wanted it should have ponied up not long ago???

As a Luci owner, i hope Stern does put Luci back on the line... The game is a beaut, and it would be great if even more owners were able to purchase one NIB for their collections...The best part of having a pin is of course playing it

OMG, logic. Now watch as everyone ignores what you just said and continues to ramble on about the game being produced again.

Yes cause we know everyone that votes in a poll would actually commit to buy Yet there is a very nice HUO Luci out there right now with all the stardard mods/upgrades that most on here buy & its still unsold. Priced about what you would pay NIB + cost of mods too.

Ask Charlie from spooky how many buyers he got right away when his game came out when he had a list of 100+ people that said they would buy.

Thanks for posting that half mil sentence. That is what I heard also. I was in shock and did not post it thinking I had bad rumor info. I also do not know per pin fee. I heard it cascades though...loaded heavier up front and less on higher volume.

You forgot to include the per pin fee. So it is more than 500 or 1,000 per pin. I am guessing but I think per pin fee is like 250 for first 100 then 150 for next 400 then 100 for next 500 and all other quantities over 1,000. Again I am guessing.

Makes sense to me to float some unsubstantiated licensing fees if planning a new run with increased pricing.

My source is my coworker has the Stern program( he is a project manager). He has tons of contacts within Stern. He is confident that his Stern counterpart is not BSing him. The odds of Luci or acdc ve is almost zero. Yes I own two Luci's. I am selling one though around Oct Nov.

Roger Sharpe had an interview where he said he doubted Stern or JJP would ever pay as much as $100 for a license, making the point that if they pay silly money for one license, the next licensor will want a big cut too. $1000 seems like crazy money.

http://pavlovpinball.com/pinball-licencing-101-how-much-why-and-harry-potter/

I agree. I hope they do v.e. Luci got no love or respect during last run so this time it would. I am keeping one forever and selling one cheap so value or appreciation at lofty levels does not affect me. Make more so others can enjoy!!!

It definitely is.

I have no knowledge but I'm going to guess the math on a Pro is:
$5000 delivered to your door
- $1000 for the distributor (this is probably high...but I have no idea)
- $2000 for the actual manufacturing cost (labor, parts, warehouse)

Stern might make, what: $2000 per pin? No way they're giving away more than half of that to the license.

Intereresting thread on a great game - Centerflank.

I guess not one of those 89 buyers is in the North East because I dont see this Luci below for $7000 has sold yet. Why has no one jumped on this? It seems a fair amount of people here are willing to wait a year or two or forever or never for a game they want so bad in Luci.

This increased demand after production ended just happened to IM 6 or so months ago. IM dried up whem production was done and people were paying $5000+ for them. Now all the owners want $5000 for them and buyers are not stepping up like they did before. Going off of this, for the rest of the year you will see a trickle of more Lucis and Prem ACDCs on the market at fair prices I bet. Those who really want the game will buy these. If you can wait for a VE that may never happen then owning the game is just not really that important to you.

Also how many Lucis and/or do you think Stern would have to sell to make it worth it? At least 500-600 minimum I would guess, due to more expensive license fees. Question though for you folks - if Lucis were readily available and owning a Luci was common and no big deal would people still be all over it? If you were taking a $500+ price hit out of the box would you still buy it anyway? Good question I think

To me it seems like a bunch of people here, not all, want ACDC rerun because they would like 2012-2014 huo Premiums and Lucis to be selling in the $5000's with some mods and they will pass on the VEs at $7000 stock and wait and try to buy a huo instead. If they are rerun it will be in the upper $6ks to $7000, Not $6300 for a NIB. Something to think about.

If ACDC gets rerun that is fine because that would mean pinball is growing. I don't think it will be a slam dunk compared to IM though.

Going back to the top - If no one steps up and grabs this Luci in the heavily populated NY/NJ then why would Stern rerun it?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-acdc-luci-w-mods

If the ad had photos...

People would care as much as they did a year ago... Less since most people seriously interested actually BOUGHT one. People want what they can't have now that it's gone.

I probably guessed to high. Lol

If it was remade ? Wouldn't they be better off with something different like hells bells edition? Different art ? Something to get premium owners a reason to upgrade ?

Man this reminds me so much of IM. So many people said it would never happen, license this, Iron Monger toy that. I know Greg, it's different because of music be Disney/Marvel.

Just saying all this has a familiar ring to it.

Rosie edition!

I have a sister named Jessica, after the rabbit. True story.

You had IM original and went out and bought a VE even! You just embraced the VE and did not bitch and moan about it. You are very cool man! I hope you get an ACDC.

It is familiar, but here are the important differences:

IM.
~1050 made (original run).
Was available for less than 1 year.
4 years before it was reran
Movie license (much cheaper).
VE was decided on when Mustang
Flopped, and they had a huge gap to fill.
on the assembly line.

ACDC
-8500 (-3000 premium/LE/Luci, ~5500 pros)
Was available for 3 years
Finished production 7 months ago
Music license. (Much more expensive)
Sterns production line is full for the next year,
KISS is selling in huge numbers, Metallica and
Star Trek continue to sell well. MMR, ETC.

*~ means approximately. I don't have exact numbers, but I guarantee those are close (within 3%).

Anything is possible. But it is definitely unlikely any ACDC would be reran, and definitely not in the foreseeable future. Yes, I have a Luci, and I could careless if it is ever reran or not, it will be the last game to ever leave my collection.

Flame away!

Yep, anything is possible and never say never. There is no specific pinball law of physics saying something can't be done. I was told for years that KISS wouldn't happen because the licensing cost too much.

You make some excellent points sir.

Thanks man. I appreciate it. ACDC will def make its way into my game room though it may take longer than I would want. That's life though.

I know you're usually are pretty reliable with info but I don't think I buy into 5500 pros. Seems like way more premiums are out there.-even on location. I've only played one Pro ever and probably over a dozen LE and Premiums. Are you sure that isn't reversed?

I like ACDC enough but would never pay more for a used pin than what they originally cost NIB. Just too many other options out there. If they remade LUCI I'd consider but at this point I'd rather pay less for a game like TWD which I enjoy just as much. I have a feeling GOT is going to be awesome as well!

I think ACDC is done unless they totally redid the art package (Zombie Yeti please!) To make it fresh again. Just not enough demand to sell more than a couple hundred games at this point.

Since so much of ACDC's success is the layout and code, I wonder if a re-theme is out of the question? I couldnt care less about the music, and I know many swap it out with Browser. And the ACDC artwork, even on Luci (I know its better than the pro/prem), is woeful.

What about a generic ACDC re-theme with a Zombie/horror/whatever theme with good hand drawn art and generic music that you can swap in/out with Browser?

Or re-theme with the next cheaper licence they find a-la Shrek/Family Guy?

Great idea, cannon is a double barrell shotgun shoot Zombies, lower playfield graveyard bash, On the other hand, a fresh look, playfield artwork, chrome I'd buy one

I see what you did there, and it's "Rare" I catch something like that.

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