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AC/DC Luci being made again?


By centerflank

4 years ago



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“Should Stern run Luci again?”

  • Hell Yeah!!!!!! Run it and Im buying. 110 votes
    51%
  • No, Im a crusty old person that dislikes female cartoon artwork. 33 votes
    15%
  • No, only because I'm a douchebag and want the Luci I own to have an inflated value. 47 votes
    22%
  • Maybe, Im indifferent on the subject and would rather prepay for a game and wait 4 years for it. 26 votes
    12%

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#101 4 years ago

From Stern/Jared this was part of the post made on facebook talking about possibly making more Met Premiums... It's all about the licence!

"METALLICA PREMIUM: We have noticed a high level of comments and inbox messages asking us about Metallica Premium and if we would do another run. Our license with Metallica is still current and we do have the ability do make these machines at any time as demand dictates."

#102 4 years ago
Quoted from EricR:

I don't understand why Stern isn't more straight-forward either. It seems like keeping the collector market well-informed could only help them sell more games. I'm also not a fan of the constant misdirection and rumor fueling.

I think Jared is doing a great job. Speculation is part of the fun of the hobby. Who wants to know everything? That would be dull.

#103 4 years ago
Quoted from EricR:

I don't understand why Stern isn't more straight-forward either. It seems like keeping the collector market well-informed could only help them sell more games. I'm also not a fan of the constant misdirection and rumor fueling.

You aren't the only one but they have their reasons. It's their business so sucks but we don't have any/much control over it. I'm reminded of a Stones song here.

#104 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I think Jared is doing a great job

#105 4 years ago
Quoted from bkaelin:

I fail to understand or appreciate the cryptic approach to "creating buzz" where buzz involves no actual/factual information.
My message to the powers that be....such an approach to marketing actually fosters a negative response to your product among all but the most dedicated consumers. If you want to use social media to communicate with your customer base, then do so.
When you do, keep it simple, clear and direct. Anything else and you are just jerking around your customers. And while you might find that personally satisfying or intriguing, it is frustrating and annoying for many of us on the receiving end.

It happens because they see "the wave" it creates in the community. This goes way beyond pinball; this is done ANYTIME an entity wants to create buzz, hype, talk, and discussion about a product, a situation, a person, or an idea.

It is so simple that it's complicated. This is basic high school gossip psychology 101. Talk about things in a roundabout way without answering direct questions or stating things in an "A to B, straight line manner", and watch the circus and the hype build.

Mortal Kombat 2 was one of the quintessential examples of this:

Guy #1 (in on the con): Man, I wish I could get this animality to work for Sub-zero.

Guy #2 (spectator) what is an animality?

Guy#1: Dude, I saw Sub-Zero become a polar bear!!!!!! You have to do "Up, right, right, up, left,down,down,left, HP,LP,HK, BLK+HK, Up" and it'll work - promise!!!!!!!!

Guy#2: HOLY SHIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZNAT. Ok man, what was that again, and how do I do it????

And the rumor spreads....and the buzz is created...and people flock to the game...

Over 10 years later, Ed Boon - the main designer of MK - flat out told us: there never was an animality (in MK2). Why would we flat-out tell you, the players, "No. They don't exist." That's bad for business. I like to let rumors flow; it's better than anything I could say....

And it didn't stop there: the living forest can eat your character as a "stage pit" fatality. Hornbuckle and Torch in the background of the Pit II are playable characters, Shang Tsung can do Kano and Sonya morphs, Ermac was a red ninja that showed up once every hundred-thousand games (before Ermac actually DID exist), and Goro was actually still alive. The rumors made MK2 an absolute firestorm of a game, and everyone could not stop playing it chasing rumors that had no factual basis or proof, but the word of mouth was strong.....

Stern watches this and just enjoys it; they eat it up. Heck, I'm commenting here - they got me....

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#106 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I think Jared is doing a great job. Speculation is part of the fun of the hobby. Who wants to know everything? That would be dull.

While I think Jareds' handling of their Facebook has been an improvement for them, I totally disagree with speculation being part of the fun. I love straight forward/ no bullshit people and companies. No veiled anything, no double entendre crap. Just tell us what's being worked on, what's being considered, and so on.

Hell, how about a poll with like a dozen possible pin themes and see what your consumers actually want. Boom.

#107 4 years ago

I'm just saying, Jared is pretty good about not posting his PR work to Pinside, he keeps it to Facebook. So the only way it shows up here is if we talk about it. No point in complaining at him, look in the mirror.

#108 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I'm just saying, Jared is pretty good about not posting his PR work to Pinside, he keeps it to Facebook. So the only way it shows up here is if we talk about it. No point in complaining at him, look in the mirror.

Thank you.

Even when the post was made to facebook, the quote with it was:

"Behold... the holy trinity of rocking pinball machines... you know you like it... #SternPinball #PinballRocks"

Nothing was said about running more machines. Nothing was said about vault editions. Nothing.

The photo taken was a genuine photo from inside Stern, but any assumptions as to its meaning (if there is one) are up to the viewer.

Yes, I should have not posted the image in this thread, absolving me totally, but even if I hadn't, someone would have anyways resulting in an identical result.

Is it being remade again? Not to my knowledge. I think Stern would inform it's distribution network formally before posting it to facebook. In fact I know they would.

That said, can "anything" be remade? Technically: yes. Some licenses are still active, others can be reaquired. Beyond limited edition models, any modern stern could potentially be remade at any time. That's true. In some titles cases "extremely unlikely" and in others "very likely" but in all "possible".

I deliberately try to keep the PR stuff off of Pinside so I can continue to function as a normal member as I have been for years now. It may come to pass that in my best interest I stop posting here at all. I hope not.

#109 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

Just tell us what's being worked on, what's being considered, and so on.

Very few companies operate this way because they don't see product development and design as a collaborative process with their potential customers.

Quoted from Grinder901:

Hell, how about a poll with like a dozen possible pin themes and see what your consumers actually want

See above. Plus, won't that just fuel the very same speculation that you dislike? Not to mention creating angry customers who feel entitled to whatever they voted for.

#110 4 years ago
Quoted from ryanwanger:

Very few companies operate this way because they don't see product development and design as a collaborative process with their potential customers.

See above. Plus, won't that just fuel the very same speculation that you dislike? Not to mention creating angry customers who feel entitled to whatever they voted for.

Yea cuz heaven forbid a company create products that it's customers actually want.

I don't know about speculation and anger. I mean if they created a poll and only ten customers voted for a jaws pin but over a hundred voted for some other them, GOT for instance. Then it would be hard to see how those ten jaws enthusiasts could be upset if Stern made the pin most heavily voted for.

I'm probably living in a fantasy world wanting true transparency. Wouldn't be the first time that happened to me about a subject.

I'm not on Fakebook. Pinside sucks up enough of my time, I don't need to add another social media too. So I might be missing out on some stuff from Stern by not visiting them enough. I used my wife's account to ask them about Avengers code a few months ago and it got her banned.

#111 4 years ago

From a players standpoint the different cab art is not enough to spring for the extra cash in my opinion. AC/DC prem are going for around 5K or so, you can do a lot of cool mods for the money you save.

#112 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

I'm probably living in a fantasy world wanting true transparency. Wouldn't be the first time that happened to me about a subject.

Yea, full transparency would hurt their sales. Stern doesn't want people sitting around with cash waiting for GoT or SM VE to be released, they want them buying Kiss. The same reason you don't see General Motors talking about changing vehicle models until right before they do.

#113 4 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

I deliberately try to keep the PR stuff off of Pinside so I can continue to function as a normal member as I have been for years now. It may come pass that in my best interest I stop posting here at all. I hope not.

Jared IMHO you are doing a good job!

Quoted from TigerLaw:

Yea, full transparency would hurt their sales. Stern doesn't want people sitting around with cash waiting for GoT or SM VE to be released, they want them buying Kiss. The same reason you don't see General Motors talking about changing vehicle models until right before they do.

Good point Tiger I never really thought about it like that.

#114 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I think Jared is doing a great job. Speculation is part of the fun of the hobby. Who wants to know everything? That would be dull.

I'm not saying its Jared's fault, the problem pre-dates his employment there. I don't mind a little speculation about what upcoming titles will be, its fine to have a little mystery there.

The part that bothers me is the lack of clear information about the availability of current product lines. Twice I've gotten to the point where I wanted to buy a premium model (not coincidentally soon after the code was updated to my liking) that was listed on their website as a current production model only to hear from distributors that Stern was sold out and probably not making any more. That's frustrating to me. I know I'm not alone because multiple distributors have expressed similar frustration to me when discussing those games. Not suprising since they know I'll end up buying the game somehow other than through them. How hard would it be for Stern to release something saying "We are about to do what might be our last run of title X, if you want that title please place an order with your distributor by X date"? I think just that would go a long way. I know it would with me, I like to plan out my NIB purchases and I'm not the kind of person that would just buy a different game because the one I want isn't available.

Heck, the one time Jared tried to do something productive in that respect by asking people about demand for another run of Metallica premiums, he was forced to retract it. That tells me the problem is with Stern management, not him.

#115 4 years ago
Quoted from ReplayRyan:

As for the actual demand, I don't think anybody knows exactly what that is right now other than higher than most Stern titles. Lots of people say they want the game, but many of those people only started saying that when prices starting shooting up from a change in supply/demand. People hear of a Luci selling for $8500 or something and say "I WANT ONE NOW!" but then when one sits for a few days at $7k they say "ehh, maybe I'll wait a little..." Pretty much verbatim what someone told me as I was recently trying to help them acquire one. I swear the pinball market is more like the stock market everyday...so many trying to grab a machine as its value is trending up and cash in after a few weeks or months. Always an "ehh, best game ever but not for me" or "I suddenly need $8k, but I won't sell for $500 less." I love when some people do this while pumping up the game in every other post here

Ok, here is my Luci story. I tend to buy Stern games behind the curve. They are too slow with code, and I won't buy them incomplete. I say that with my wallet because I want the full game experience when I get the game. So when they complete (or get one to good enough), I put it on my list. When a space comes up in my lineup, I'll bring it in. The timing of Luci just missed that. The code was ready, but I didn't have space. I debated spending the $6500 to just keep it in the box, but I was reconstructing my basement, so it would have been in a garage all winter. So I decided to wait.

Fast forward to now. I could get a Luci for 8k. However, Stern has shown over and over again that they will reissue games. It used to be called "another run", and now it's called "Vault". But the message is VERY clear from Stern. If you pay more than list price for an unlimited game, you will be throwing away that extra money at some point.

In the end, yes, without a doubt I'll have an AC/DC in my gameroom. If they do a run of Luci, I'll buy it the first day and drop it into the new basement. But I'm not in a hurry. Premiums were getting down to just above 5k. They will go back there as soon as another run starts. I have plenty of games to play until that one comes along.

#116 4 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Ok, here is my Luci story. I tend to buy Stern games behind the curve. They are too slow with code, and I won't buy them incomplete. I say that with my wallet because I want the full game experience when I get the game. So when they complete (or get one to good enough), I put it on my list. When a space comes up in my lineup, I'll bring it in. The timing of Luci just missed that. The code was ready, but I didn't have space. I debated spending the $6500 to just keep it in the box, but I was reconstructing my basement, so it would have been in a garage all winter. So I decided to wait.
Fast forward to now. I could get a Luci for 8k. However, Stern has shown over and over again that they will reissue games. It used to be called "another run", and now it's called "Vault". But the message is VERY clear from Stern. If you pay more than list price for an unlimited game, you will be throwing away that extra money at some point.
In the end, yes, without a doubt I'll have an AC/DC in my gameroom. If they do a run of Luci, I'll buy it the first day and drop it into the new basement. But I'm not in a hurry. Premiums were getting down to just above 5k. They will go back there as soon as another run starts. I have plenty of games to play until that one comes along.

Yes, I'm with you on that, I obviously bought a Luci and played the crap out of it, sold it and I am almost ready to buy one again.

I picked up a met and TWD premium the past couple weeks, was awesome to have pretty polished code to update to before play 1 and even better with Cleland audio

#117 4 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Fast forward to now. I could get a Luci for 8k. However, Stern has shown over and over again that they will reissue games. It used to be called "another run", and now it's called "Vault". But the message is VERY clear from Stern. If you pay more than list price for an unlimited game, you will be throwing away that extra money at some point.

Hey, Dave! Great to meet you at Pintastic! I think this statement is false, though. I paid a premium for the ACDC premium, and I've been enjoying the hell out of it while people who didn't want a premium are still sitting and waiting for a rerun or a lower price. I don't think either will happen, but even if it did, the difference in price--for me--is more than worth the amount of enjoyment I've had from it in the interim.

#118 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

I mean if they created a poll and only ten customers voted for a jaws pin but over a hundred voted for some other them, GOT for instance. Then it would be hard to see how those ten jaws enthusiasts could be upset if Stern made the pin most heavily voted for.

But then Stern would be hounded endlessly until GOT was actually released. And good luck consoling the masses if never came out at all.

I don't work in licensing, but I doubt it's possible for them to go out and have discussions with even 5 different IPs, and then have enough confidence in signing a deal to promise it's customers that whichever gets the most votes will ultimately be built.

Quoted from Grinder901:

Yea cuz heaven forbid a company create products that it's customers actually want.

"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

"F$%@ you - I'm going to build sexy, easy to use products and then make people love them" - me loosely paraphrasing Steve Jobs

#119 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Hey, Dave! Great to meet you at Pintastic! I think this statement is false, though. I paid a premium for the ACDC premium, and I've been enjoying the hell out of it while people who didn't want a premium are still sitting and waiting for a rerun or a lower price. I don't think either will happen, but even if it did, the difference in price--for me--is more than worth the amount of enjoyment I've had from it in the interim.

Good meeting you as well! We differ on this, but not by much. If I was just sitting on the sidelines, you're right, I'm missing the fun. But I'm not sitting waiting for good games. In the Stern section, Iron Man VE came to town, and it ended up being way better than I ever hoped. Tonight (yes, finally, tonight!) I'm picking up a Lord Of The Rings, a game I've missed since selling mine almost 2 years ago. Right now I'm in the middle of shopping and blinging my Tron.

That's the only reason I can wait a bit until something happens. I've got a bunch of great games that I'm enjoying right now. But if I didn't, I would have just bought Gabe's AC/DC at Pintastic, or the one in New Hampshire right now. A few hundred bucks wouldn't stop me for a second if I was bored with my current lineup (which is currently down to 12 games). I'd pay the premium for it and wouldn't think twice. So really we agree. I'm just doing it with different games.

#120 4 years ago
Quoted from centerflank:

More importantly, how did you vote in the poll?

yes i voted yes

#121 4 years ago

Luci is not currently being produced, and will not be produced unless Stern renews the license with AC/DC.

#122 4 years ago

It's funny, I remember when Stern announced Luci, most people complained about the artwork, complained about the colors, complained that Luci had nothing to do with AC/DC. Very few were built and Sold. (Less than 210 according to my sources), and Stern considered the whole Luci experiment a complete flop. And some people still think they are going to rerun them. Lol!

#123 4 years ago

Well if my little research experiment is any indication Stern should have made her red instead of pink. #helen

#124 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

Well if my little research experiment is any indication Stern should have made her red instead of pink. #helen

Helen is hot, Luci is not.

#125 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

Helen is hot, Luci is not.

I prefer Luci to this..... Im not into hairy sweaty guys.. Just sayin!

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#126 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

I prefer Luci to this..... Just sayin!
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nah I disagree. That translight has rock written all over. Now Helen....

#127 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

I prefer Luci to this..... Just sayin!
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And I prefer the premium translite - actual iconic AC/DC, to some poorly drawn purple chick just sitting there holding a guitar like a cock. Just sayin!

EDIT: Comment made when Concrete posted the AC/DC Premium Translite - before cropping it to just Angus.

#128 4 years ago

I finally picked up an ACDC Premium. I've left the stock translite in, my Helen one is in a swapbox. I don't mind the stock translite at all honestly, the playfield is the ugly part.

#129 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

And I prefer the premium translite - actual iconic AC/DC, to some poorly drawn purple chick just sitting there holding a guitar like a cock. Just sayin!

Stern just likes pink/purple skin tones:

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#130 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

Helen is hot, Luci is not.

I like em both...

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#131 4 years ago
Quoted from nephasth:

I like em both...

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I'm with Neph... Best of both worlds Luci/Helen
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#132 4 years ago

Haha, you guys are the most hardcore of the Helen faithful.

#133 4 years ago

I'm wondering if these guys are fans of AC/DC or Jessica Rabbit.

#134 4 years ago

When I get my Acdc premium, I not only want the Helen treatment, I'll get the Helen topper too

#135 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

I'm wondering if these guys are fans of AC/DC or Jessica Rabbit.

Fan of the game? Hell yeah!
Fan of the band? Don't own a single album...

#136 4 years ago
Quoted from Iceman5000:

It's funny, I remember when Stern announced Luci, most people complained about the artwork, complained about the colors, complained that Luci had nothing to do with AC/DC. Very few were built and Sold. (Less than 210 according to my sources), and Stern considered the whole Luci experiment a complete flop. And some people still think they are going to rerun them. Lol!

You know what is funny? The Luci name does not even appear on the actual pin (that I know of). That is probably why I never had a problem or issue with it. I mean Luci, when 2 inches in front of me, is simply a kick ass red hot smokin pin! Like fire on steroids! The word Luci does not even really enter my mind unless I read forums, like this one, or someone mentions it during one of my pin events. So I guess what I am saying is it is strange about all the hate and bashing for the word Luci when the art and sound effects does not even reference it. I wonder if stern would have marketed it without a code name if it would have been bashed less back then and also now? Again, when I stand in front of mine I do not think Luci...I think smoking red hot pin!!!!

Just sayin....

#137 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

I prefer Luci to this..... Im not into hairy sweaty guys.. Just sayin!
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Wait...but you're into...MUPPETS???

#138 4 years ago

Funny thing is that I wasn't going to purchase an ACDC until the Luci version came out. Even though I really like the game itself, I just never like the look of the premium cabinet. All personal preference of course, as some folks expressed their dislike for Luci. Its good to have choices. Having said that, I don't see enough demand to do a substantial Luci run at this point. Maybe if they do a different art package all together, that would drive enough interest to justify a license renwal. Who knows?

#139 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Wait...but you're into...MUPPETS???

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#140 4 years ago

So what's a signed luci translight worth again?image.jpg

#141 4 years ago
Quoted from punkshere2stay:

So what's a signed luck translight worth again?image.jpg

As much as someone is willing to pay for it.

#142 4 years ago

I'll give ya forty.

#143 4 years ago
Quoted from vdojaq:

Luci is not currently being produced, and will not be produced unless Stern renews the license with AC/DC.

Rumor going around is acdc band and/or manager want way more $$$ to renew the licence. They know how popular the pin was/is and want a larger cut of the pie this time. If Stern does not believe they can easily pass the extra cost off to Joe and Mary pin buyer, then they will simply scrap the notion.

#144 4 years ago

How much of each machine sold would AC/DC get? $50? $200?

#145 4 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

How much of each machine sold would AC/DC get? $50? $200?

ACDC's asking price to renew the license is $500,000. + a per machine fee. I don't know how much the per machine fee is.

#146 4 years ago
Quoted from Grinder901:

Helen is hot, Luci is not.

Meh... the chick translites are nice (both of them), but both seem like a stretch for the title...

Not saying I love the ac/dc artwork (I dont- i think its the weakest part), but the two attempts with Luci/Helga just don't fit the theme, IMO. The ONE exception being the replacement of the giant ugly head on the pros.... anything is better than that!

I know some folks really dig the helen/luci stuff- I just wish it was a better tie in to Ac/DC.....

#147 4 years ago
Quoted from Iceman5000:

ACDC's asking price to renew the license is $500,000. + a per machine fee. I don't know how much the per machine fee is.

I've never sold a machine where the buyer didn't negotiate the price. I guess AC/DC is doing the same. At that price, there will be no sale. They will drop it a bit and see if there are any takers. "Fire Sale at 400k". "300k FIRM". It is amazing that the pinball business is just like the pinball business.

I am asking 1 million dollars for this opinion. But I'll sell it to you for 700k. 600k? A box of donuts and a cherry coke?

#148 4 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

Meh... the chick translites are nice (both of them), but both seem like a stretch for the title...
Not saying I love the ac/dc artwork (I dont- i think its the weakest part), but the two attempts with Luci/Helga just don't fit the theme, IMO. The ONE exception being the replacement of the giant ugly head on the pros.... anything is better than that!
I know some folks really dig the helen/luci stuff- I just wish it was a better tie in to Ac/DC.....

Well I didn't think we could agree on anything but I guess if you wait long enough.....yes the chick art is ok but they don't really fit the machine do they? Also the vinyl on the pf actually changes the ball behavior. I even took off the MET coffin eyeballs mod because it changed the ball's trajectory. It's not very evident when the ball is moving fast but on the slow ones it's easy to see. May not be a big deal to most though.

#149 4 years ago
Quoted from Iceman5000:

ACDC's asking price to renew the license is $500,000. + a per machine fee. I don't know how much the per machine fee is.

If this is true, you can put a fork in any hopes for a remake or VE.

#150 4 years ago
Quoted from Iceman5000:

ACDC's asking price to renew the license is $500,000. + a per machine fee. I don't know how much the per machine fee is.

Do you have a source for this? It seems outrageous and would mean the license would never be renewed.

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