also with the legs. I have all of them all the way up and the pitch is perfect. Looks weird next to LOTR which the legs are about 72% of the way up but the pitch is the same on both. Guess it's how they mounted the playfield bracket.

Yes, even on a NIB. We got an IM on location near me a while back that was a mess. It was running the home software, so you got 5 games for a token. The factory bubble was way off, like yours. Looking at the bubble, you would assume the game was wicked steep. It wasn't. It was right around 6.5. But someone assumed it was too steep, so they completely raised the back levelers and lowered the front levelers almost all the way out. The game was horribly floaty. The slowest playing IM ever. No fun at all. Yet the bubble still showed it was slightly steep.

You should be able to 'fix' yours. Adjust the game to about 6.5 degrees with the digital level, then tighten or loosen the two screws on the bubble to get it in the middle. May be a chip of wood or something tucked underneath one side making it off. I don't think they can be installed reversed.

All the way up meaning the levers are all the way up? Doesn't sound like that's the case with the poster before you.

when I picture all the way up, i'm thinking the leg threads are all the way up to the top.

To be clear, I'm saying that the levelers are completely extended on mine in the back...meaning if I extended them much further I wouldn't think the machine would be stable enough to play because I'd be afraid they would break from the leverage. So I can't increase the slope of the machine any further without adding something else underneath the levelers.

see, he is talking about the same thing

Actually, I just installed the shooter lane protector which required me to relocate the bubble further up the wood. When I reseated the bubble, about 25% of the indicator was past the top black line, which, from other's comments, seems to be about perfect. Still wish I didn't have to extend the levelers as far as I did to get the correct pitch, but whatever I guess.

Okay. Saying 'all the way up' can mean the levelers or legs. Now we're clear.

You can get another 1/2 inch or so by removing the nuts on the front legs. If the front of the game isn't level after removing them, raise one leveler to get it level, then tighten a nut on the inside of that leg.

You're getting warm. It shows a very important measurement that it uses to calibrate itself. It's a measurement that everyone on the planet is keenly aware of every single day, yet most tools could care less about it.

Temperature? If I'm wrong i will just delete my response!

Okay, I installed the post with a red Cliffy colored post this weekend. I own the Pro, but it's a definite improvement. Doesn't hinder the shot to the bell, and the return is more predictable to the right flipper. Not as much bounce as the previous rubber -- more subtle. To each their own, but I like it.

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It's weird, the machines I had played on location had a lot of SDTM drains. So I was prepared for it and waiting to make a ton of adjustments. So far I haven't had a problem with it. Keep waiting for it, but I'd say about 10% of bell shots go SDTM. Same goes for out of the pop bumpers.

I'll probably still put on that post and cliffy just to be safe, but I'm pretty happy with it. For the record, my pitch is at like 6.8 or so.

Hey, I already sent you money! What else do you want?!

maybe thats where the expression "hells bells" came from?

Keep the money, send the girl in your avatar instead!

Keep the money, send the girl in your Avatar instead!

$10K by Christmas!

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Are there persons that have problems with the outlanes.
75% of the balls are lost in the outlanes. the machine is standing the way it should.

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Yep. The only problems I'm having is with balls frequently going into the outlanes or the area between the flippers

I wish I was closer

What do you base the 1/2 degree of accuracy on? Were you not able to make 1/10 of a degree adjustment? I can. The electronics they use to calculate pitch and level are likely more accurate than 1/10 of a degree. In reality, not many situations require any more accuracy than that.

A bubble will always be more accurate then a digital level. The human eye however isn't as accurate. Try leveling a game using the bubble, then see how close you are digitally. With a witness watching, if possible.

No. Some factory bubbles are several degrees off. I've seen it numerous times.

The other good thing about the digital level is how it can easily show how much pitch can vary on a single playfield. I have one playfield on a game less than 10 years old that varies by 4/10's of a degree from top to bottom. Did you try measuring pitch on various parts of the playfield?

Well this is easy: what Phish said!

Of course a bubble will be more accurate. In fact the bubble itself can't be inaccurate. The only thing that can be inaccurate about a bubble is if it were placed in the holder wrong.

And like he said, those bubbles on the Stern's can vary greatly. Like I said before, I don't trust them at all. They don't tell you what your actual pitch is at. How many degrees is your pitch at if the stock Stern bubble is centered? There is no way of knowing without measuring it with something else.

Good grief just fn play the game and stop doing scientific analysis on it!