For me, it is definitely the best Stern ever. Yes, I like it better than Tron LE.

The only question I have remaining after that is whether it is the best pin ever, and in my opinion, if it isn't, it is *damn* close!

Top 5 pin ever made without question.

Depends how you look at it. It is one of the best pins ever made, but it costs a hell of a lot less than some of the top rated pins here at Pinside like MM, MB, and AFM. The premium is a pretty damn good bargain these days.

Not one of those pins is better than AC/DC, and other than LOTR, the other two aren't even in the same freaking ball park.

Are you a boob?

Nobody who thinks AC/DC is the best pin has "owned and played a number of different games"?

LOL!

That's hilarious. Slack? WTH are you talking about? It's a pretty simple matter of the pin kicking ass, with rules that kick ass better than pretty much any ruleset ever put in a pin. *That* is why it gets the praise that it does. Slack? WTF?

Wait ten years my ass

Why the hell do people think this way? What logic is there to the idea that pins can't be compared until 10 years goes by?

You are the one being ridiculous.

You are acting like AC/DC has been out for two months or something. If that was the case, you would have a point, as that would be a "honeymoon phase" or whatever you want to call it.

But this ten year crap is just plain ludicrous (edit: actually, you were the one in the other thread that said to "wait 15 years", not 10. My bad). And you're not going to change my mind on that. There's zero logic to it.

+1000

Oh, I definitely think that the majority of AC/DC owners are very much aware of the fact that Lyman deserves a hell of a lot of credit for making the pin as great as it is, and I don't find there to be any shortage of that praise/props at all.

You can go into other (non AC/DC related) threads and read about how people will not be buying another NIB Stern title because of code issues (not good, not complete etc) but some will make a specific exception if Lyman is doing the code. Sounds like props to me!

Why would you buy a pin that you've actually played if you thought it was just "ok" and if you don't like the designer's other pins? If there is an ACDC pro at your local arcade, get your butt back down there and play the heck out of it to find out if *you* enjoy it. Just because the majority here (myself included) find the pin to be superb, it doesn't mean that everyone will.

You are setting yourself up for big disappointment by purchasing the pin purely off the reviews here when you have the actual pin that you can play before buying (there won't be huge differences in how the pro and Premium play).

If you don't like the pro, you won't like the Premium.

Please....go back to your local arcade and play the pro some more. A lot more. If you don't feel like playing it more, you shouldn't buy an AC/DC.

Fair enough, and looking back at it I think I see what you are saying.

Let me see if I understand. For example, Lyman and Ritchie are given "slack" (for lack of better word) because they have proven themselves. So...I have said that I do not plan on pre-ordering anymore Stern pins without playing them first based on my negative experience with X-Men. However, I have also indicated that I might make an exception when it comes to Ritchie's next pin assuming Lyman does the code because of their reputation and how great AC/DC was right out of the box.

So in that sense, I am giving them some "slack". Is that what you mean (more or less)?

That makes perfect sense to me. I don't know that I completely agree with it (I would still hate the rules on XM if Lyman had done them for example), but I can certainly see why some people might think that the community would give it more slack if he had done the rules. He has a great reputation and a track record, whereas the new guys like Waison don't.