9500 after this one.....better get it now. 10k coming......

I am just cureous as to how you would have one left. I thought these sold out pretty much every where fast.

Cheap. A NIB already sold for $12k over here.

because he's a distributor and can do whatever he sees fit with his allotment. JJ is a class act, I almost jumped on this a week ago but decided the $$ needed to go towards the honeymoon instead.

Sidenote: Ctozzi you crack me up, your avatar changes almost daily.

Bump: JJ is a class act and a great seller. These did "sell out" as Stern calls it, to all the Distributors... He just happens to have ONE left!

Stop thinking about it and go get it!! (Hell, even the guy from Australia should just wire him the money and ship it! lol)

Sorry but I dont think it is right if you are a distributor that you can hold a couple back to sell down the road for a few thousand more. A class act seller to me is not someone looking to really socket to some of his customers down the road when the price goes up .

Yeah! how dare he save one or two to make more money and take the same risk as anyone else that he could be left holding the bag if they were not a hit. How dare he.
And how dare he sell me my game at a great low early price like he did for all his repeat customers instead of selling for regular retaile. Just a shame… You murfe88 are not dialed in ; )

Please, its about making money. No one is twisting anyone's arm to buy it. It only makes sense to make extra money off a couple.

If you want to complain, call Stern about its distribution model. Automated Services holds tons of inventory and jacks up the prices as supply dwindles. Also, this can backfire if you happen to hold on to a Dale Jr, Avatar LE or Transformers LE.

+1...if the market is 9500 and JJ is selling for 9k to Pinside then I would say he is throwing a bone to all the people on here that does business with him....

One of these next Stern games I will be a customer of his too...just don't like the last two and won't get Avengers so hopefully Resident Evil and I'm all in....

Get a grip dude.

Ya and last time I checked everybody bitch's about automated sevices for doing it. So what makes it ok for this distributor?

Because JJ is cool !

yeah,JJ IS cool

It's capitalism.....sometimes it works for these guys and other times they lose money with that strategy........they aren't socialists and we can be thankful for that

If they go over the line then there is always the competition to buy from...again, thank goodness for capitalism.....

Dont like it, dont anything buy from him, ever.

I'm not picking sides, just saying when you buy NIB, pick someone else.

& to JJ, dont sell him a game if he asks for one.

Now all is well

Wow, heaven forbid someone make a little money. Distributors take a big risk buying games (they have to buy them before the release and the game may suck like TRS) and, believe it or not, there are substantial storage costs (insurance, building rent / bank loan, interest on their financing, etc.).

If JJ wanted to hold on to a single BIB and then sell it NIB for less than what comp sales are going for with that game then more power to him. As Iceman says, that is capitalism at work . . . JJ took the risk and he will (this time, maybe not next time) make a little money on it.

its capitalism at its finest. next time jump aboard early for NIB otherwise someone can hook ya later.

There is a lot of risk in a distributor buying the games from Stern. You need to understand the business model before you speak up. JJ is a class act and I recommend him to anyone - he goes above and beyond in customer service!

I would predict that with the few Wolverines he holds back, he'll do alright. Just the way it works. That's why the few NIB Spidey's left are in the 7500 and up range. Got to be able to support that retail store front.

Got any Tron LE left over?

Yea, just think what a NIB Wolverine will be going for a month after release if the game just meets expectations...the music and dialog being 100% pinball custom and not drawn 100% out of a movie alone has the potential to really up the quality of this sucker.

I think the last distributor that has any TRON LE's is Joystix in Houston and I believe they are down to just the floor model.

JJ is one of the most respected distributors on Pinside. He is known for his fair pricing and great service. He took a chance and held back a game or three and now has every right to fairly offer it at what the market will bear. Simple supply and demand.

No need to apologize. You are in this as a business. If you can get 9k+ for the game I say by all means go for it. There will always be people bitter about the pricing of pins.

Murph must be joking, I hope. He sold his used tron le for a big profit.

Just yesterday a BIBLE NIB sold here for 10.000 euro (12.500 $) And a LTBR for 9.000 euro.
That is really getting crazy! The pin is barely a month old and the profit is already 3000 euro on this thing.

This has been on ebay as a 30 day listing and hasn't sold.

ebay.com link: AC DC LE BACK BLACK Pinball Machine STERN NOW SHIPPING GET YOURS TODAY

Why is this any different? Because like most pinball forums it is more about shazam than common sense.

I could totally see buying a BIBLE at the initial offering price, but to pay about $3K more for one now over a Premium just seems nuts. Just my $.02.

Agree with that but collector mania has taken over versus common sense...

Ebb and flow of the collector market. Everything seems to peak when I get ready to purchase NIB. Don't worry, when I'm not interested in buying newer NIB games, the prices will go back down.

JJ rocks. He adds to the community. I hope he makes money so he can continue to service the pinball community through his professionalism.

I second this; my dealings with JJ have been most satisfactory. I asked him if he could do something. He said yes. Then he went and did exactly what I asked for at the price he said he could do it for. No drama; no problems; no haggling; and a shockingly small amount of time needed to be expended on my part - which I view as valuable in and of itself. Plus, he seems to be really enthusastic about the pinball industry; the absence of enthusiasm was why I switched from my old distributor to begin with.

I hope he makes some money on this BIB pin as I am sure he lost some on TRS and Nascar.

+1

Private sellers are trying to cash in big time for nib acdc pins in australia.

Murph is this true? Then be careful, it makes you look really bad!

If you want to be an authorized distributor (like Game Exchange), you need to advertise at MSRP and sell at or below MSRP. This is bad business for Stern to have their market channel partner marking up machines and making more money than Stern authorizes them to make. I would say Stern should fire them as a preferred distributor. Then they can make their own capitalizsic business decision and make games up as high as the market will pay.

I have no issues w/ folks buying games and selling them for profit, but Stern should if there channel partners are not following the company guidence. I know GM would fire any Chevy dealers that sold above MSRP and Stern should do the same!

Have you bought from GEX. His pricing and chances to get great pricing have been amazing. His service too.
As a customer of his and Stern I have to disagree. By the way because of him Stern got a lot of my money.

Seriously!!?! You ever try to but a Corvette or Camaro when they were announced. Dude you are so wrong on every count.

Ummm, EVERY car dealer add's a mark-up above and beyond MSRP...

Sometimes you can get them to budge, and sometimes you can't....

tis' life my friend.

JJ is a class act and like others said above, he is taking all the risk hold back one or two machines (which, again, is a VERY small percentage ~5% of what he pre-sells and sells immediately)

I thought it was the other way around. Authorized dealers could ask as high a price as they want, but they could only advertise low prices to a certain extent.

If the price is too high, nobody will buy it. But if the price is too low, it could unfairly edge out other dealers who might not get the same pricing from Stern. Stern's way of making things fair.

Sometimes I am just stunned at the way people think.

Coming from the guy who squeezed every dime out of his Tron LE while telling potential trading partners that HUO SM's were going for $3800 (just a couple months ago) seems a little hyprocritical to me. Hopefully you are learning some valuable lessons early in your collecting career. I think you are just green and hopefully will mature as you continue in this hobby.

While I do agree with you in some aspects. Your most certainly wrong regarding the part about Chevy dealers. Almost any dealer now days will have no problem doing what I call "price gouging" customers with a "market adjustment" price added to the MSRP of certain makes and models out there. Chevy dealers are having a field day marking up new the new Camaro models and Ford dealers are having thier way marking up Mustangs for the same reason. IMO, its a bitch move on the dealers part just to gouge more money out of customers. I wish the OEMs would put a stop to it but what can you do accept wait until the desire comes down enough to get one without that damn markup. Personally, I kind of hope Stern would do something like that too. Prices on pinball machines are getting insane enough without the help of distributors holding out to get a few bucks more on machines. But if the machine does tank, so does the profit (and even risk a loss).

First of all I was the second owner of the Tron LE so I did not pay the pre distributors price. I paid more. Secondly I sold the Tron LE for $1,000 less then what they were selling for at the time so I am pretty sure I didn't squeeze every dime out of the sale. I am not sure who you are but you sure sound like the asshole that was emailing me from two didn't email address trying to scam me into giving away the tron to you. Don't hate man.

What likely matters here most is what the knucklehead who paid $9k for this thing thinks about all this noise.

That’s probably something stupid like:
1) This machine, new, is extremely hard to find.
2) Online listings are within a couple hundred dollars above or below this amount.
3) There will likely be a sustained after-market for this game.
4) This comes from a reputable dealer, close to home.
5) If there’s ever a problem, the dealer will likely help out.
6) This game sells itself, so the dealer probably spent hours with the customer, working hard to make sure that this was the proper purchase.
7) The buyer has probably spent a lot of time in business and doesn’t begrudge a dealer profit; knowing that it’s a good idea for a group of solid customers to try to help keep these brave souls in business.
8) The buyer likely had to be able to afford the cost of the thrill and joy and fun that comes to his family and friends by owning this game.

JJ and GameExchange did one thing wrong here; they probably under-priced the machine relative to the market. I know, because I’m the knucklehead who paid $9k for this Back in Black Limited Edition #205. Eventually I’ll happily sell it for less than I paid for it; our great memories will stay with us. I couldn’t possibly have been more pleased with this entire experience, to prove it I went back down there the other day and overpaid for another Limited Edition Stern masterpiece with Wolverine on the back glass.

These are great guys in a tough business and I can’t thank them, or recommend them, enough. And I fully intend to continue working with them for many years to come (if they forgive me for stealing the last of their brand new BIB LE’s for a meager $9k).

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