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AC-DC Back in Black edition, Thoughts?

By llphil67

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

Considering buying a newer game to add to my collection, newest thing I ever owned was a Jungle Lord...didn't really like it so I sold it. Played an AC DC recently and kinda liked it so I'm looking. Found a Back in Black edition, what are your thoughts? You guys have always helped out when asked, I'm sure you will tell me what you think now. No this isn't a troll, or meant to start any arguments. I honestly want to know your thoughts since I have ZERO experience with modern pins. I dislike toys and overcrowded PF, and gimmicks which add nothing to gameplay. I do like the ability to change-up game-play and an obtainable learning curve. Look over my collection, maybe it will help. Thanks!

#2 1 year ago

Great game, and BIBLE is the best art package, IMO
watch out for the cloudy window to Hell, some games have it, and that's the only down side to this version.

#3 1 year ago

ACDC premium/LE is a killer game. Fast and fun... great code... amazing light show. It's the complete package.

I prefer the original run of games because they feel more robust (materials used at the time) and don't have the metal back box. The weight of the game feels better to flip (IMO).

Easy game to love and my favorite band pin.

Like DNO said, keep an eye out of the lower playfield window being cloudy. Not all original run games had that issue. Premium/LEs aren't tremendously hard to find, so be patient.

#4 1 year ago

Isn't the Black higher priced for just art reasons?

#5 1 year ago
Quoted from llphil67:

Considering buying a newer game to add to my collection, newest thing I ever owned was a Jungle Lord...didn't really like it so I sold it. Played an AC DC recently and kinda liked it so I'm looking. Found a Back in Black edition, what are your thoughts? You guys have always helped out when asked, I'm sure you will tell me what you think now. No this isn't a troll, or meant to start any arguments. I honestly want to know your thoughts since I have ZERO experience with modern pins. I dislike toys and overcrowded PF, and gimmicks which add nothing to gameplay. I do like the ability to change-up game-play and an obtainable learning curve. Look over my collection, maybe it will help. Thanks!

I found it a bit repetitive and it didn't last all that long for me. I like some of the toys, but you state you don't really like toys. Good thing is you can try it and if you don't like it, the game shouldn't be to hard to sell.

#6 1 year ago

I owned a Luci Premium, which is the same as BIBLE edition, just unlimited run and different art.

The game is very "beginner friendly" which you may love, OP, getting into modern games. It's only 2 main flippers, and the shots are very open. So if you like the music, at first pass it's a very enticing machine.

The issues arise when you get good at the game. Because there's no mini-wizard modes (think 'boss levels' midway through the game at certain milestones/achievements), and because the main wizard mode can only be reached by like 0.1% of even good players, the question becomes what you're objective really is.

The answer to that question becomes a high score that is more on cashing in on something big and less on game progression. In ACDC this comes down to the Song Jackpot which builds as you hit shots and maybe get to more songs, all in a single ball. Hitting Hell's Bell a bunch increases the playfield multiplier. If you can then build up Song Jackpot, get the playfield multiplier to 3X, and load the cannon to collect Song Jackpot, you'll get more points with one press of the action button than you will if you had played a 30min game without this approach.

Therefore ACDC boils down to a risk-reward game as progression to the wizard mode is pointless. Cashing in Song Jackpot is everything. When I learned this, it was all I did and if I drained with my Song JP increasing, I restarted the game. I then learned this game is actually more like a 1-trick pony. The lower PF doesn't give much points. There's too many songs to complete to get to wizard. All that's left to do is just that one thing if you want a high score.

Once I learned this, it got old, and quick. Probably fun for someone new to modern games, and it's a real looker with a ton of toys (and I think 14 upgrades over the Pro model), but I don't miss mine at all. Spiderman though... that's another story and also great for newer players.

#7 1 year ago

Yes same here I owned a BIBLE looks great lots of toys but it does for sure it's repetitive and after a while it was boring so I sold it ,I leaned I was just looking at it lol

#8 1 year ago

Best and most desirable art package of the best music pin there is, in my opinion. The machine and the gameplay fit the band and the music to a tee.

Haven’t seen one for sale in ages either. Would probably take the jaws of life to pry it from anyone’s hands.

#9 1 year ago

Fun pin. Great music. BiBLE is pricey. >$15k I think. If money is no object it's worth owning. If cost factors in I'd say grab a nice Spider Man Red instead for $6k-$7k. It is at least as good.

#10 1 year ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

but I don't miss mine at all. Spiderman though... that's another story and also great for newer players.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

If money is no object it's worth owning. If cost factors in I'd say grab a nice Spider Man Red instead for $6k-$7k. It is at least as good.

This guy gets it

#11 1 year ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

This guy gets it

Oh Spiderman 10000X over ACDC; but I've never thought ACDC was anything special.

#12 1 year ago

Hmmmm, Spiderman, need to look into this. Here's my newbie coming out, I have to admit I liked the music w/the gameplay, did not play enough to get deep into the ins and outs of the rules and scoring though. And yes, money is definetely an object, so cost vs enjoyment will be a consideration as well as the ability to re-sell easily without losing money should I decide I don't like it, or outgrow it.

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from llphil67:

Hmmmm, Spiderman, need to look into this. Here's my newbie coming out, I have to admit I liked the music w/the gameplay, did not play enough to get deep into the ins and outs of the rules and scoring though. And yes, money is definetely an object, so cost vs enjoyment will be a consideration as well as the ability to re-sell easily without losing money should I decide I don't like it, or outgrow it.

Don't let a few detractors sway you. If you like the music with the gameplay, you're going to really enjoy this game. The rules are unique and the game isn't easy. I've had it in my collection for almost 8 years!

#14 1 year ago

Song jackpot is lucrative, but getting to the Jam MB super jackpot can be just a big, if not bigger. There are many ways to keep entertained with this “one trick pony” lol

#15 1 year ago

ACDC (objective: points) and Spiderman (objective: modes) are polar opposites, so it depends on what you like. Me, I like point based games and ACDC is very near the best of modern point based games. Spiderman was awesome at first, but mode based games feel very repetitive to me after a short time and SM was no different...in and out of the collection in 6~ months. Not that ACDC can't get repetitive (as will literally every game), I've bought and sold it twice.

Looking at your collection, they're all older point based games. If this is what you like, ACDC is the way to go. It's basically like playing a fast classic Stern with a huge shot of adrenaline mixed in. But if you are looking for something different, go Spiderman. The shots are easier on ACDC, but Spiderman plays much easier and will have longer ball times once you get a feel for the shots. To me ACDC is 10x the game SM is, but I definitely understand why that's not a universal thought.

Really just get whichever is convenient and well priced, neither will be a hard sell when you decide it's time to move on.

#16 1 year ago

After everyone here saying yes or no I have learn no matter what game we are talking about same people like it and don't like it every game is not for everyone we all like what we like so I would say go with what you like no one else's happy flipping

#17 1 year ago
Quoted from Williampinball:

After everyone here saying yes or no I have learn no matter what game we are talking about same people like it and don't like it every game is not for everyone we all like what we like so I would say go with what you like no one else's happy flipping

Agreed but I would also say don't pick a pinball machine because on the music; but maybe not a popular opinion

#18 1 year ago

Pro is the way to go on this title. It plays so much faster than the premiums.

#19 1 year ago
Quoted from Jkush18:

Pro is the way to go on this title. It plays so much faster than the premiums.

Lower PFnot that exciting to me.
Dancing band embarrassing.

#20 1 year ago
Quoted from llphil67:

money is definetely an object

Then definitely don't waste your money buying a Back In Black version if you just want to play the game. You're paying thousands more for the backglass.

#21 1 year ago

Or , find middle ground and put a deposit down on a IMDN

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from Jkush18:

Pro is the way to go on this title. It plays so much faster than the premiums.

I owned a premium for a couple years and would agree here. Would definitely pick up a pro if I found a deal to bring it back to the collection.

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

Then definitely don't waste your money buying a Back In Black version if you just want to play the game. You're paying thousands more for the backglass.

But man it looks soo much better. It also has the black powercoated trim.

#24 1 year ago
Quoted from jake35:

But man it looks soo much better. It also has the black powercoated trim.

If u had tons of money sure buy it too look at but for a player pro are great and way way cheaper

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from jake35:

But man it looks soo much better. It also has the black powercoated trim.

I don't think it looks that amazing to be honest. ACDC is, in general, an unlovely game. I had a Premium, didn't love the way it looked, never stopped me from playing it.

You buy it because it kicks your ass and you like it, not because it's a looker.

#26 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

buy it because it kicks your ass and you like it, not because it's a looker.

It is a looker with Helen......

#27 1 year ago
Quoted from marksf123:

It is a looker with Helen......

I have a Helen translite in a backlit box still, but I never actually put one on my personal game.

#28 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Oh Spiderman 10000X over ACDC; but I've never thought ACDC was anything special.

I was so excited when AC/DC was announced and released. I’m a huge fan of the band. It got lots of positive reviews and most people seemed to like it. BIB is a beautiful machine and I was really tempted to buy one before playing. When I finally got to play the machine, I didn’t care for it at all. Tried it a few times later to see if it was just the way it was set up or something else. Still didn’t like it. It just shows that you should never buy a grail theme machine without playing it first!

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#31 1 year ago

Isn't that the back glass that Aurich designed?

#32 1 year ago

Well the BIB got away, but I'll keep watching for any AC DC to pop up

#33 1 year ago
Quoted from llphil67:

Well the BIB got away, but I'll keep watching for any AC DC to pop up

Yup, retired now, even though I got cute with the lettering a little too close to the official ACDC logo for some, and who am I to argue?

It didn't seem worth redoing it to not have the band name on it.

#34 1 year ago

Back in black is where it's at... problem is most are overseas. Very few are stateside. Look at mrpinball registry, out of 40 registered 5 are from usa.

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#35 1 year ago
Quoted from jake35:

Back in black is where it's at... problem is most are overseas. Very few are stateside. Look at mrpinball registry, out of 40 registered 5 are from usa.
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And some in Canada my was #182 and I know a few guys here that has one am sure there's more

#36 1 year ago

Get a Luci. It has the same gameplay and looks great. Plus it cost less.

#37 1 year ago
Quoted from Tommy-dog:

Get a Luci. It has the same gameplay and looks great. Plus it cost less.

I’d rather look at Lucy than Angus looking like he had a lobotomy.

#38 1 year ago

I miss mine

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#39 1 year ago
Quoted from jackd104:

I’d rather look at Lucy than Angus looking like he had a lobotomy.

Never really thought Luci had a big enough connection with the theme. I mean its ACDC, Angus always looks like he's just had a lobotomy in everything

#40 1 year ago
Quoted from turbo20lbs:

I miss mine
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I have yours lol. I bought it from the guy that bought it off you (Joe S.), it's the same serial number as the one in your old ad. Small world

#41 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Never really thought Luci had a big enough connection with the theme. I mean its ACDC, Angus always looks like he's just had a lobotomy in everything

What is luci's connection? I never understood

#42 1 year ago
Quoted from jake35:

What is luci's connection? I never understood

I dknt even remember; which is my issue
Some obscure single cover or something?

#43 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

I dknt even remember; which is my issue
Some obscure single cover or something?

I think it was something to tie it to the animations they were using on tour at the time. I would love to see a re release of this game with new art using all hand drawn stuff to match that, where the band members were exaggerated cartoons, like Metallica ended up.

#44 1 year ago
Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

I think it was something to tie it to the animations they were using on tour at the time. I would love to see a re release of this game with new art using all hand drawn stuff to match that, where the band members were exaggerated cartoons, like Metallica ended up.

I dont need anymore of them but yes this was king of the photoshop era

#45 1 year ago
Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

I think it was something to tie it to the animations they were using on tour at the time. I would love to see a re release of this game with new art using all hand drawn stuff to match that, where the band members were exaggerated cartoons, like Metallica ended up.

I always prefer that to photos on any pin. Photos will always date. Look at Spider Man vs Spider Man Vault. Would so much rather have the comic art.

#46 1 year ago
Quoted from llphil67:

Well the BIB got away, but I'll keep watching for any AC DC to pop up

I think if you are looking just for the game play and not the art, this will work out for you. No need to spend a substantial amount more for a BiB when the normal premium plays the same.

#47 1 year ago
Quoted from jackd104:

I always prefer that to photos on any pin. Photos will always date. Look at Spider Man vs Spider Man Vault. Would so much rather have the comic art.

Weirdly, for Spider-Man, I very much prefer the Toby era art because I love those movies. I just have no nostalgia for the generic voice call out package of the vault.

#48 1 year ago
Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

Weirdly, for Spider-Man, I very much prefer the Toby era art because I love those movies. I just have no nostalgia for the generic voice call out package of the vault.

Yeah I could see that

#49 1 year ago
Quoted from jake35:

I have yours lol. I bought it from the guy that bought it off you (Joe S.), it's the same serial number as the one in your old ad. Small world

Shit was mint. I worked on it a bit as well, hopefully was still nice when you got it.

#50 1 year ago
Quoted from ultimategameroom:

I was so excited when AC/DC was announced and released. I’m a huge fan of the band. It got lots of positive reviews and most people seemed to like it. BIB is a beautiful machine and I was really tempted to buy one before playing. When I finally got to play the machine, I didn’t care for it at all. Tried it a few times later to see if it was just the way it was set up or something else. Still didn’t like it. It just shows that you should never buy a grail theme machine without playing it first!

So weird how games hit people differently. I'm not a huge AC/DC person, but it was one of the first modern Sterns I fell in love with gameplay wise.

I love Iron Maiden, and I know that game gets a ton of praise, but I don't care for it.

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