Disagree. Some games are complete and utter dumpster fires. Shaq attack has almost no redeeming features in it whatsoever. The art is terrible. The sounds are repetitive and awful. The layout is terrible. The rules are abysmal. If told I could chose between shaq attack and no pinball for the rest of my life, I'd go without.

The Beatles is almost as bad to me. It's nails on a chalkboard. It's a recycled layout where I'd rather play the original.

Disagree, if something can be a 9-10, something has to be a 1-2 otherwise there is no point. I have games I have rated 9-10

Since this is subjective, you might not feel like shaq or beatles are that bad. Perfectly valid. You might even like them and that is fine too.

I don't. I hate them. I have owned shaq. Beatles I had to play a lot due to league. I have time on them. I hate them. For me the are terrible. They are not fun. They are not enjoyable experiences. My rating reflects that.

Both of us are valid.

How this should work is that if I have a low rating of a popular game, it should get averaged out.

Haven't played thunderbirds. Cosmic would be low, should rate it since I owned it. Its saving grace is the art. After that nothing else. Build quality was poor. Code non-existent. Shot layout was ok, not great, but the scoop up the middle was a terrible idea.

But that is you. I seek out the stuff that you rarely see. Just because they made a ton of a title, doesn't mean it was even decent.

Shaq sucks. Its ugly. It got made because gottlieb was a name at the time. Mystery Castle is an amazing game. Its one of my all time favorites, but because alvin g had a poor distributor network among other things, it barely exists.

It is. It doesn't have an unnecessary spinning disc. It has art that doesn't look like someone had too much sherbert and threw up all over the pf. It's not stuck with early beatles music which I have heard to death. Seawitch is actually fun.

Remakes aren't always a bad thing. DE/Sega/Stern has a long history of stealing layouts. JP to me is better than WW. BF isn't better than STTNG but its fun. Tommy and Tron were great reuses of the FH layout. This wasn't one of them. For me its worse and I rate it as such.

And you aren't wrong, for yourself. For me, it is one of the biggest wastes of time I have ever experienced. It's fine we don't agree.

One thing I dislike about the rating system is a game can have meh art, meh sound, and be a blast. Can be your favorite game ever, but it can rate lower than games you hate. Frankly a slider of 0-100 for an overall score would be more effective. Much easier for you to say game A is better than game B, but overall game C is far superior. Besides some of this is stupidly subjective. Do you like the art style of the time period? Do you like the theme? If not good chance you will hate the art.

For years felt Jpop games were wildly inflated on here. They have always been known for their poor code. Pretty, nice layouts, terrible code. Can dig through comments on RGP from back to when they were released. Yet they get highly rated

Now, one thing I wonder is if the old b/w games keep getting new code how long it would take for their ratings to reflect this. Mystery Castle had an updated version of the code rediscovered and it took a good 6-8 years for people to catch on.

Buddy has SW le. Have owned Nascar. Have had a fair bit of time on HSII.

Execution and effect is less than nascar. I really don't get your argument. Its a neat toy that has been done multiple times.

Not top 20. Not stern top 10 even. I play a mint le on a regular basis. Its fun, not a bad game. Topper is neat but overpriced.

Would much rather play lotr, either im, either met, gb pro, ehoh, jp2 pro, etc.