Some would argue that time has come and gone, and that we're on a downward slope for a long time now.

I'd be perfectly fine being vegetarian for the most part, but vegan is.... meh. I like seafood too much to really do either.

Why not...other places do. Any of you guys had crickets? I have. Roasted ones with ranch powder on them, wasn't too bad! Insects in general are WAY more sustainable than beef or chicken, and the first-world countries are the odd ones out when it comes to using insects as food. WE'RE the anomaly, not the other way around.

That's a bit hypocritical when you just posted that you can't agree more that a diet including animal proteins is best. If you'd followed your own advice....then why post on this thread backing up a differing point of view? Subtle, or not, doing so is exerting a form of influence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We've got a local burger joint here in Dallas that you can ask for a grilled portobello cap instead of a beef patty, and they actually charge you less for it, AND it's actually cooked properly and doesn't taste like cardboard. I mean..I guess it's a moot point when my burger's gonna have a fried egg on it anyways, but it's REALLY good. When I worked at Cousin's Subs waaay back, we totally did the 'salad sandwich' thing. Literally. The veg sub was all the stuff that would normally go on a salad, and customer got choice of salad dressings for it.

That person wouldn't be my 'friend' anymore.

Daiya. It's a bit odd at first, taste wise, takes some getting used to, but it's way better than the cashew or other nut based crap that vegan cafes have been foisting on people for years. The melt and texture on it is REALLY good, IMO, and honestly, it even acts like legit cheese in that if you overcook it it turns into crunchy goodness, so you still get like crisp edges on lasgna/casserole etc.

Also, you can do a concoction of cauliflower and vinegar to do a mock ricotta that is pretty good. I'll get the info from my wife and post it if anyone's interested. My kid's allergic to egg, milk, soy, peanut... so we've had some creative food things..I could eat the veg lasgna with the fake cheese and ricotta pretty much every day if someone would be arsed to make it.

Um, frankly, I just took you off ignore when I saw your thumb up on the comment, to see what you'd said on this thread. Maybe we can get along this time? ¬_¬;

I don't think we have Blaze Pizza, but Mellow Mushroom makes pies with Daiya, I think. We use mostly the cheddar block and shreds, very rarely ever the mozz unless it's for lasagna. Finding it consistently near us has been...irritating, honestly. One week stores will have it, the next they won't. They'll randomly drop parts of the product line they'd had for months and then they'll be back a month later, and just outright not carry entire sections (yogurt, looking at you buddy.). I don't think I've ever seen Miyoko's available in any of our stores..likely my best bet is going to be Central Market.

Yeah, I've forgotten why you'd pissed me off, so was probably past due anyways. =Þ

I'll never be vegan, but by nature of my kid and just inherently liking veg more than most people, threads like this interest me.

Yes, "shut up and be more like me" is the answer to everything.

*thumbsdown*

Wow, really? I've tried soy and almond milks...I can't stand either of those, the texture is...ew. It's like okra slime milk to me. Rice milk was the acceptable substitiute for me, but even I've gotta say that the last 10% of the carton, every carton, is utter S--T that's filled with grainy leftovers from the process...and the unsweetened versions taste like liquid cardboard. Nobody in my family had any complaints about it otherwise, which is VERY odd for us to all agree on any food. It's the lesser of two 'evils'...rice milk is too runny/watery, and the other ones are just too grossly thick unless you're used to whole milk, which I never bought frequently.

oh HELL no. I'll eat a handful of crickets no problem but a half formed chicken...I DON'T GET IT.

+1 on the jackfruit train. It was some frozen dinner thing from Trader Joes...I want to say some kind of curry that had jackfruit instead of meat. It was really good, and the texture was just "what the hell this is a fruit!?"

What about people that have no bloody choice due to food allergies? I guess they just "don't like it" and shouldn't be able to experience even a crap facsimile of what everyone else gets access to, much less anything actually GOOD. Guess I'll go let my kid know that from now on, because PW79 says so, he can only eat meat and oatmeal, and that he better STFU with that crying shit when everyone else is eating all the things he can't.

OH LOOK I CAN DO RIDICULOUS TROLL HYPERBOLE TOO

Whatever. Nice backpedal.

Lots of soybean oil?