This is a pretty exciting addition to the pinball machine "supply chain" and development process. It will be interesting to look back in a couple years and see how much this influenced pinball machine development and evolution.

Interesting. I wouldn't mind trying..

Awesome. Good luck. Can't wait to see how this develops.

More good news for the hobby~!

This is pretty incredible. Custom machines for everyone!

Awesome Gerry!

Great news! I hope many people take up the offer.

News of new pinball is great news!

Sorry Gerry but how about you adequately support us guys who are developing on the P3-ROC platform?

http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.0

The last update on that board was that we had several people working on a fix to make the process streamlined for a multitude of platforms. How is that support inadequate? I've also dedicated many hours to helping individuals (many of whom aren't software engineers by profession) get their development and deployment environments set up and going. How is that support inadequate?

I agree, however, that the software level documentation needs a facelift. We're now getting more software level frameworks to give developers more flexibility in how their games come together, which was one of the key principles that that community was founded on.

No disrespect intended here, but I'm merely trying to assess what we could do better more than whats already in progress.

Jimmy

look at the date of the last reply on this thread:
http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?topic=98.0#msg5217

basically it's 3 years+ during which you've not really done a lot to help anyone running windows despite requests. the Dev version hasn't been merged with the master version (which would have cured most of the P3-ROC problems) in a long time either.
Boards are great, no complaints but the software, documentation and support is not up to snuff.

I hope this becomes successful. Imagine the games that can be possible now by small teams without needing to reinvent the wheel every time? Looking at how hard manufacturing is, and how it has sunk multiple companies already, and removing that from the equation.

Gerry, can you please outline what kind of skills, skill level and equipment would be required to develop a game using your kit?

Stating that there's a lack of support available to users of the P-ROC and P3-ROC is simply incorrect. The implication that there as a bunch of "guys" who are without support... Just bizarre.

Instead of being intentionally misleading and hijacking a thread about P3 development for your own personal issue, let's represent both sides.

There was an issue everyone was unaware of. It was discovered about three weeks ago? Prior to that it had been years without any major issues. Last week, Gerry and the Multimorphic team --presumably while loading a P3 into a crate to ship it to Pintastic in New England-- managed to organize a plan forward.

On July 6th he posted this confirmation that we are probably a week or two out from a resolution:
http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.msg14518#msg14518

As someone who is helping with this updated installer endeavor (and as someone who has helped countless people get their games started and working without even being asked tondo so), I'm sorry that anyone who reads your posts here on pinside might erroneously believe that there's some multi-year deficit of support.

The *software* for the P-ROC and P3-ROC boards is a community effort, and is not what Multimorphic sells or nor claims to provide or support. If you have any hardware issues (and indeed software issues) Gerry will jump to help as much as he can. Because the software is from the user community, when you complain /rudely/ about the software, it feels like you're complaining about everyone on the forum who is there to help you. I dare you to send an email to Gerry and not get a response within 48 hours.

Even in spite of my disagreement with the way you've handled many posts about your issue, I'm still going to help. I enjoy helping folks with their projects. In hoping you're just frustrated and expressing it poorly.

Anyway, if you've given up on the boards, I'll buy them from you. Fun fact: Jpop was the last guy I bought P-ROC boards from....

- Michael

Hi Michael, I'm not sure of your involvement in P-ROC/MultiMorphic and therefore if you speak for Gerry. i'll reply with factual links so you and others can clearly see what is what.

here's the wiki, this is the getting started page.
http://pinballcontrollers.com/wiki/P-ROC_software_main#Game_Development_Resources

resources consists of some fonts? Otherwise go take a look at others code and figure it out for yourself.

http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.0
No, I'm not swizzlefish.

For P-ROC? I'd agree. For P3-ROC? Not been great so far.

https://missionpinball.com/forum/topic/trough-ball-count-issue/

much as I hate to link to the MPF site but Brian and Gabe are awesome, have a proper tutorial and it was Brian that then contacted Gerry about putting it right.

Understood but also they have child boards on the pinballcontrollers forum! http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?board=19.0

Now if one has nothing to do with the other, it's poor that the inference is made that the 2 companies are related.

Now, Me Customer. Pinballcontrollers Vendor. I expect customer service and support for a product I purchase :-
http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.0
from Gerry's own hand...
Admittedly, we haven't done a very good job at keeping up with the needs of our new users.

and...
For a long time, the majority of our users were experienced developers and software systems problem solvers, many of whom actually enjoyed working through the tool installation process and viewed it somewhat as a pre-req for custom pinball software development.

I program in Python, i don't expect to have to write it first but use it as it is intended for, to write the code.

So, in recap, my original question

is relevant to the discussion in hand. If Multimorphic wants us to develop games for the new (excellent) P3 platform (and i have developed 3 games, one of them commercial), is Gerry/ Pinballcontrollers/Multimporhic going to support it properly?

Apologies to Robin for this lengthy reply. I'm done on this subject.

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That's great Gerry! I'm looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with. I hope to be able to scrap together enough cash to pick up one of these some day so I'm thrilled to cont to see the progress.

I have no concerns one bit about the support you and your team will provide on your product(s). Your history has shown that you and your team are some of the most customer focused people in the industry.