A Master Pricing/Market Conversation Thread?

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#1 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

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Seeing as so many people are triggered and feel the need to vocalize at the mere mention of pin prices/markets, I'd like to propose a Master Thread for such discussion. I'm sure this has been tried before, but I'd suggest this to possibly make it work better:

-Mods try making it a sticky, and if the thread is successful keeping it that way.
-THIS IS CRITICAL: If someone sees a new post discussing the topic, they can guide them by simply posting a link to this Master Thread. Or just continue to post sarcastic comments, per tradition.
-The conversation would be devoid of the "this is stupid" posts that are currently rampant, and would actually fill the need that many people feel exists.

People get to discuss what they want to discuss. No one will be triggered. Everyone who feels there's nothing to discuss can safely ignore the thread, while having an avenue to vent their frustrations by pointing any new "ill-informed" thread starters to the Master Thread via the link.

I'm open to productive suggestions. I'd just like to facilitate conversations without having to wade through the "this is stupid" comments.

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#2 1 year ago

EJS

Pinball Outpost

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OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
I'm sure this has been tried before

Levi?

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#3 1 year ago

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Elvishasleft

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OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
I'd just like to facilitate conversations without having to wade through the "this is stupid" comments.

Too late.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pinball-price-discussion-thread

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#4 1 year ago

VNO

Vino

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#5 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

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Quoted from Vino:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pinball-price-discussion-thread

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
I'm sure this has been tried before, but I'd suggest this to possibly make it work better:

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#6 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

2000:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J

It never works because somebody always has some brilliant new angle that clearly deserves it's own, unique, paradigm-rocking thread. Or they have it 5 times.

“Inflation is bad! How will this affect pinball pricing?”

“Crypto is bad! How will this affect pinball pricing?”

“Housing market is bad! How will this affect pinball pricing?”

"Remember Beanie Babies? Pinball pricing!!"

"Interest rates are up. PINBALL FUCKING PRICING!"

As long as there’s noobs, or vets with nothing interesting to say, there will be weekly redundant pinball pricing threads. And we have more noobs and boring vets than ever.

In case you need a reminder...

2001:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ

2002:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ

2003:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ

2004:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ

2005:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J

2006:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ

2007:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ

2008:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ

2009:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ

2010:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ

2011:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ

2012:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again

2013:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop

2014:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble

2015:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball

2016:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst

2017:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble

2018:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet

2019:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-

2020:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-

2022:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/it-appears-the-insanity-is-ending#post-6954499

#7 1 year ago

LXL

Isochronic_Frost

Saratoga Silverball

7y 221K 9,389 108 1 1

One of the very few inevitabilities in life:

•Death
•Pinball Price/Bubble Threads
•Taxes

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#8 1 year ago

LXL

Isochronic_Frost

Saratoga Silverball

7y 221K 9,389 108 1 1

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
...would actually fill the need that many people feel exists.

I thought if you said your wish out-loud it won’t come true?
Pricing threads are just hardcore cheapskates (old timers) hoping for the ass to fall out, or greedy newbies (richies) trying to buy a dragon’s hoard with their new covid money

#9 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

Pinside+ Addict

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
It never works because somebody always has some brilliant new angle that clearly deserves it's own, unique, paradigm-rocking thread.

What part wouldn't work? If you, or anyone else, sees a pricing post and simply posts the link to the Master Thread, how will that not work? I understand it will not eliminate the initial posts, but it will severely limit the pointless back and forth within each thread. If you, The Most Prolific Pricing Thread Poster, have another solution - I'm all ears.

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#10 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pinball-price-discussion-thread

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
What part wouldn't work? If you, or anyone else, sees a pricing post and simply posts the link to the Master Thread, how will that not work? I understand it will not eliminate the initial posts, but it will severely limit the pointless back and forth within each thread. If you, The Most Prolific Pricing Thread Poster, have another solution - I'm all ears.

The only solution is to continue to make fun of people who post "bubble burst" threads despite over 20+ years of bubble burst threads predicting burst bubbles when in fact there's no bubble and never has been. It's been proven there's no other possible way of dealing with it.

We already have a "master pricing thread" and nobody wants to use it because people all think they are geniuses when they post a price bubble thread and the world must see their genius and their thoughts on how changing weather patterns may affect the pinball bubble simply needs a standalone thread.

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#11 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

Pinside+ Addict

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
The only solution is to continue to make fun of people who post "bubble burst" threads despite over 20+ years of bubble burst threads predicting burst bubbles when in fact there's no bubble and never has been. It's been proven there's no other possible way of dealing with it.

I made a mistake. If "Mock those I disagree with" is your advice, remind me never to sincerely ask you for advice again.

Anyone else?

#12 1 year ago

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ForceFlow

Pin prices going up isn't really news. It can happen at variable rates, and certainly the largest jump was 2020-2021.

Unless the bottom falls out on the demand for games, or you're probably not going to see prices deflate.

It's not a terribly deep or complicated subject. So, whenever a new thread starts up, there is typically a flurry of responses, mostly complaining about rising prices and other pricing threads, and after a few days, it dies off and that's about it.

#13 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from ForceFlow:
So, whenever a new thread starts up, there is typically be a flurry of responses, mostly complaining about rising prices and other pricing threads, and after a few days, it dies off and that's about it.

Well, maybe the next one will finally crack the code on pinball pricing, resulting in $4K Addams Families again.

By the way, in 2004, people were complaining about $4K Addams Families and how it's a hobby for rich people.

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#14 1 year ago

ZLM

ZMeny

Flip N Out Pinball

Evansville, IN

8y 174K 5,452 35 18 11

Did someone say…Pinball Market Trends?!?! LETS GO!

#15 1 year ago

RGJ

bigguybbr

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OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
Seeing as so many people are triggered and feel the need to vocalize

I'm triggered by the word 'triggered'

#16 1 year ago

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ForceFlow

Quoted from ZMeny:
Did someone say…Pinball Market Trends?!?! LETS GO!

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#17 1 year ago

ERW

chuckwurt

Pincinnati

10y 193K 31,342 16 13

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
Seeing as so many people are triggered and feel the need to vocalize at the mere mention of pin prices/markets, I'd like to propose a Master Thread for such discussion. I'm sure this has been tried before, but I'd suggest this to possibly make it work better:
-Mods try making it a sticky, and if the thread is successful keeping it that way.
-THIS IS CRITICAL: If someone sees a new post discussing the topic, they can guide them by simply posting a link to this Master Thread. Or just continue to post sarcastic comments, per tradition.
-The conversation would be devoid of the "this is stupid" posts that are currently rampant, and would actually fill the need that many people feel exists.
People get to discuss what they want to discuss. No one will be triggered. Everyone who feels there's nothing to discuss can safely ignore the thread, while having an avenue to vent their frustrations by pointing any new "ill-informed" thread starters to the Master Thread via the link.
I'm open to productive suggestions. I'd just like to facilitate conversations without having to wade through the "this is stupid" comments.

If this thread is exactly what you hope it becomes, what types of discussions do you feel will be the most productive?

Might help to list those in the first post so others know the vibe you’re going for.

#18 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

Pinside+ Addict

Quoted from chuckwurt:
If this thread is exactly what you hope it becomes, what types of discussions do you feel will be the most productive?
Might help to list those in the first post so others know the vibe you’re going for.

Whatever genuine concerns/comments people have about pin pricing and the market. Recession? Bitcoin? Stimulus?Bull market? COVID? Whatever. A good discussion, and perhaps a debate, without actual bickering. And for the love of all that is good and holy...

Without the incessant trolling.

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#19 1 year ago

RGJ

bigguybbr

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OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
I'd just like to facilitate conversations without having to wade through the "this is stupid" comments

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#20 1 year ago

RON

arcyallen

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Quoted from bigguybbr:
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One more of those posts to wade through.

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#21 1 year ago

SMK

TheLaw

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Ann Arbor, MI

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OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
If you, or anyone else, sees a pricing post and simply posts the link to the Master Thread, how will that not work?

I dont understand how you cannot grasp the fact this will not work. We know it won't work, because we've already done this and it didn't work.

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#22 1 year ago

YBX

yancy

Pinside member

West Dundee, IL

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Quoted from Vino:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pinball-price-discussion-thread

Yeah, it's telling that the guy who wants a master thread didn't search to see that there is/was, in fact, a master thread. Which of course no one uses, for reasons stated above.

But the OP doesn't actually want a master thread. What he really wants is for the Levis of the world to stop ridiculing all the market-obsessed chicken littles. Can't speak for others, but I only click on pricing threads for the inevitable smackdown. This one delivers.

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#23 1 year ago

BB

Blackbeard

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Looks nice

GLWTS

#24 1 year ago

DRM

dmacy

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$10,000 before Christmas.

#25 1 year ago

???

kklank

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Quoted from yancy:
Yeah, it's telling that the guy who wants a master thread didn't search to see that there is/was, in fact, a master thread. Which of course no one uses, for reasons stated above.
But the OP doesn't actually want a master thread. What he really wants is for the Levis of the world to stop ridiculing all the market-obsessed chicken littles. Can't speak for others, but I only click on pricing threads for the inevitable smackdown. This one delivers.

Yeah but this is an extra special master thread.

#26 1 year ago

SMK

TheLaw

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Ann Arbor, MI

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Quoted from kklank:
Yeah but this is an extra special master thread.

Ahhhhh...fair.

#27 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

I must comment that this is stupid.

#28 1 year ago

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ForceFlow

Quoted from kklank:
Yeah but this is an extra special master thread.

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#29 1 year ago

???

Elvishasleft

Pinside member

3y 37,150 1,488

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
Whatever genuine concerns/comments people have about pin pricing and the market. Recession? Bitcoin? Stimulus?Bull market? COVID? Whatever. A good discussion, and perhaps a debate, without actual bickering. And for the love of all that is good and holy...
Without the incessant trolling.

If I had "genuine concern" about pinball prices I'd probably need to seek some professional help.

Besides, everyone knows it's just like the car market.

#30 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

I never understand why people like to point out they are being "genuine" on online forums.

It's like...everything else i've ever posted where I didn't point out I was being genuine was just complete bullshit?

I'm genuinely interested in why people do this!

#31 1 year ago

JBG

MacGruber

Pinside member

Kiel, WI

2y 75,800 1,098 8 22

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
I never understand why people like to point out they are being "genuine" on online forums.
It's like...everything else i've ever posted where I didn't point out I was being genuine was just complete bullshit?
I'm genuinely interested in why people do this!

I prefer the to be honest opening line and if that doesn't work the inevitable no disrespect rebuttal..lol

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#33 1 year ago

PAT

GorillaBiscuits

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In my genuine opinion we need to make a single master thread for people without senses of humor.

#34 1 year ago

RAP

RyanStl

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Fenton, MO

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LOL, it was already pointed out, but someone already tried this thread concept and it doesn't get much action.

#35 1 year ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from RyanStl:
LOL, it was already pointed out, but someone already tried this thread concept and it doesn't get much action.

That attempt simply wasn't honest or genuine enough.

We need real honesty and genuineness if we are ever going to truly get down to the bottom of what makes pinball pricing tick. If we can finally unlock this century-old mystery, we can solve most of the world's problems.

#36 1 year ago

GMK

grantopia

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Fairview Park, OH

8y 99,600 3,561 8

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
As long as there’s noobs, or vets with nothing interesting to say, there will be weekly redundant pinball pricing threads. And we have more noobs and boring vets than ever.

#37 1 year ago

AFK

CryHavoc

Pinside member

8y 35,050 177

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
The only solution is to continue to make fun of people who post "bubble burst" threads despite over 20+ years of bubble burst threads predicting burst bubbles when in fact there's no bubble and never has been.

O rly? How's that been working out for you? Been seeing a notable decrease since you took up that mantle? How convenient that the ONLY solution happens to be your favorite pastime. Absolute cosmic coincidence.

#38 1 year ago

ART

OLDPINGUY

Arts Arcade

12y 171K 12,507 7

I honestly dont read any of the pricing threads.

Prices go up and down.

Everything else is guessing.

What am I missing?

#39 1 year ago

TKM

Daditude

Rockwall, TX

5y 266K 10,116 23 271

OP
Quoted from arcyallen:
Seeing as so many people are triggered and feel the need to vocalize at the mere mention of pin prices/markets, I'd like to propose a Master Thread for such discussion. I'm sure this has been tried before, but I'd suggest this to possibly make it work better:
-Mods try making it a sticky, and if the thread is successful keeping it that way.
-THIS IS CRITICAL: If someone sees a new post discussing the topic, they can guide them by simply posting a link to this Master Thread. Or just continue to post sarcastic comments, per tradition.
-The conversation would be devoid of the "this is stupid" posts that are currently rampant, and would actually fill the need that many people feel exists.
People get to discuss what they want to discuss. No one will be triggered. Everyone who feels there's nothing to discuss can safely ignore the thread, while having an avenue to vent their frustrations by pointing any new "ill-informed" thread starters to the Master Thread via the link.
I'm open to productive suggestions. I'd just like to facilitate conversations without having to wade through the "this is stupid" comments.

Willy Wonka is worth 4000 and Metallica is worth 3000.

Now...with that said, I will PM you for your payment instructions and I will send you my address so you can ship them to me

#40 1 year ago

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ForceFlow