Doubt anything will beat Haunted House.

The lavish design of WOZ is just perfectly illustrated by that mini. 3 motors, 1 VUK, 1 flipper, an assy and many targets and lights.

I still cannot get my head around that LCD. And by that I do not mean the LCD technology, but its size, placement and usage. I see it as an asset to attract players on location more than anything else. It will be interesting to compare its usage to that of BHZA, in which it will be located on the playfield like CV.

I would be distracted by amination on the PF

Nothing was worse than moving a Pin2K, that's a beast. I sold em both and never looked back.

I'm already worried about moving this beast upstairs to the game room, my brother who is 6-3 and 250 and I'm 6-3 and 230 had a tough time with my last two....plus this wide body ain't fitting through the garage door either so it will be up some front steps too....

Do regular pins fit though the garage door ?

Jim

Just buy a good pinball trolley then it dont matter how heavy it is

The problem fitting through the door is the backbox, not the cabinet. If a regular size pin fits, a wide-body will fit.

+1

They fit but I gotta get em in and through the guest room and angle it back down the hallway....it's tight! Trying to get these suckers up the stairs though is actually kind of funny to watch.., according to my wife and kids

Good evening folks!
I have been following these forums for a year now and decided I may have something useful to add. I may be full of shit too. hey everyone has an opinion. Some of you guys are quite funny!

When I heard about the Wizard of Oz new pin by Jersey Jack. I checked it out and after about a week of research, I bought # 148. Sight unseen.
It seems like a good bunch of people to get to know. I live up in Canada, so bring your snowshoes to come and play my woz. I kid, I live in Golden british columbia. It is gorgous and is warm by canadian standards. That means no electrically heated underwear required.
Anyway, this is my first new in box pin. What the hell, might as well go all the way first time out! Congratulations to all who went for it and got a WOZ. People thought I was crazy! But when I considered the historic precedence of this pin, I thought, What the hell, it's only money! I can make more, so who cares. Go for it!
Winners go for it. Jersey Jack went for it! I respect him and support him for his tremendous efforts. Succeed or fail, I respect him. We are all going to benefit from this.
Geese, I guess I don't have anything useful to add.
Oh wait,.....nope, nothing is coming.
There is so many knowledgeable and experienced people here, i don't think I could add anything credable or even properly spelled.
CIAO!

So is there going to be some kind of big update on Tuesday? Other events?

Good evening!

I suspect for good business, they will have a very special update for their first day of production.
All the pomp and circumstance fit for the launching of an unsinkable ship! Oh wait......forget it.
Seriously, probably a great update coming. It makes good public relations and marketing.
Having carefully placed my foot in front of my mouth, lets see if I am eating it on Tuesday!
Ciao!

Yeah, Jack mentioned a big update on March 13. Might be a significant date for other reasons--that's the one particular date that hasn't shifted for several months now. And an odd one too ("start of production") because it will only be marked by some sub-assemblies or something being worked on. Pretty sure there will still be outstanding parts orders and more changes to some after 3/13. And the latest estimate of the first "availability" (delivery) date is June/July timeframe. Don't expect to see complete games rolling off a fully-engaged assembly line by the end of March. Ain't happening.

I second that.

Jack said (at the Ohio show this weekend) that there would be a 70% complete WOZ on location in NJ in May. He went on to say that it wasn't going to be 70% because it wasn't finished, but 70% because he wanted to keep certain aspects of the game "secret" a little longer.

Personally, I don't see how you can keep much secret once the playfield is revealed.

-M

It's my younger brother's birthday....

-M

Agreed. Looks like the monkey will go right to left from behind the munchkin drop target to behind the single door on the witches playfield. maybe even further right.

I am curious they said 2 magnets.

In the promo pictures they sent out there were 2 magnets TZ style one up behind the uper rollovers and one just below the exit of the dorothy house playfield. Now newer pics show those two holes still there with no inserts. Also three electromagnets. I assume one is monkey related and other two we saw a glimpse of in the first whitewood video. They are located just in front of the melting witch mechanism.

Anyone else notice these and or have insight or thoughts?

Trying to get my STTNG up and down my basement stairs is really hard and somewhat dangerous.LOL

There are four magnets installed in the prototype photo released on 3/5:
-One above the top rollovers that holds the ball for the monkey to pick up
-One above the upper right flipper that probably holds and releases the ball for a shot at the witch
-Two in front of the witch

Wouldn't it be cool if the magnet actually held the ball steady until you hit the flipper. ...almost like a tee in golf, or a batting tee... the magnet could turn off when the EOS switch was triggered so it could be completely seamless.

It would make for a VERY confident shot. LoL.

-M

Rollergames has a shot like that from the upper right flipper...not a new idea..

And WCS does the opposite.

We should be getting THE update in the next hour. It's 2:00 GMT!

Jack said about 2-3pm today but I guess that's US time. That's about 8pm in UK.

So hang on this is going to be one update or a series of updates????

Well that's odd. Jack said 2:00-3:00PM GMT. It is now 3:36PM GMT.

Why would Jack care about GMT in New Jersey?

Possibly to consider everyone, not just in NJ's time zone?

I just looked at the WOZ Group. Jack just said that the update would be at 2-3PM.

I could've sworn I saw someone say it was GMT. It's 11:41 in Lakewood so it may be later this afternoon...

No e-mail...

So, they are starting production on games without a PF? I don't think so. This PF art issue sure is taking a long time to get sorted out.

The update is more tease than substance. The only interesting thing was the explanation for the focus on the "start of production" date--when JJP owes some license payments to Planetary Pinball. (But that's another joke entirely.)

Production has started. If you thought this means that all game parts would be lined up in the factory and finished games would roll off the assembly line in a few days, you're wrong. Parts are still being ordered or awaiting shipment (at least the playfields, but I imagine lots of smaller items are still being finalized too).

What license is JJP using under agreement with Planetary?

I didn't think that. But the parts have been "in production" for weeks and months now. If they aren't beginning to produce pinball machines, what are they beginning to produce? It seems quite difficult to start building pinball machines when you don't have any PFs.

Most of the regular mechanical stuff: Flipper mech, targets (drop & standup), posts, pop bumpers, slings, probably the lockdown bar...

Like the spinning house!

Mostly it's for using "official" Williams parts, most of which are public domain and can be copied freely anyway. Pretty much all of the basic mechs are not proprietary and anyone can make or copy them. (Interestingly, one WMS patent--for the ball trough we all know and love--isn't even licensed to PP, but to Illinois Pinball.)

Ok, so JJP is actually producing these parts themselves (or having them produced), under license? Planetary didn't have any part in setting up the production, I suppose. That makes sense.

What happened there? Gene owned the rights to everything, at one point - correct? He payed WMS $1M for everything they had. Was that only for a certain period of time? Or did Gene turn around and sell part of his rights to Planetary? I know this is all out there, but I just wasn't paying attention at the time.

spin master

None of that stuff is covered by a patent (or copyright or trademark, for that matter), and no license is needed. Find a manufacturer to make it and you can buy and use as many of these things as you want, free and clear. But setup and specifications are tricky and costly, it seems. A lot of stuff needs special equipment to be made economically.

Not sure the history, but some WMS IP went through Wayne before going to PP. Right now PP has the rights to about 40 WMS patents and Gene has rights to about 20 WMS patents.

My general understanding is that Wayne still has rights to the IP needed to reproduce MM. PP has the rights to WMS and BLY copyrights (important if you want to repro or reuse older pinball art, or create a 'sequel' game).

Yes, I know most of the patents are probably long expired, if they were even patented in the first place. You summed it up better than me with your previous post.