Thanks for letting me see that as I was eating a plate of spaghetti with meat sauce. Thank you.

If JJP manufactures an MM, it will likely be of high quality (should I even say that here?). Old MMs would plummet in value to normal pin levels. I am not sure that would endear a number of collecters. It would be nice though for the rest of us. The big question is would it have an LCD?

Robin has been notified.

Nice MM will be back to 8K

There is another designer at jjp correct??

This will become true the second I spend all my pinball money on a new machine...

And tonight's forecast:

Look for a major s**tstorm to be brewing on Pinside !

umbrella's for sale. get yer umbrella's here.

hmmm...

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I could see updating to a DMD-sized LCD. Maybe updated power and driver boards, equivalent but with more modern components. And the code is already done; maybe a small/cheap motherboard with emulator to run the WMS code? Some of these components could be made cheaper and more reliable. The artwork, plastics, mechs, etc. just need to be reproduced, so no delays for design tweaks (apart from updated hardware, if any).

I wouldn't get too wound up yet. We all know JJP will eventually have to step up the pace of their new releases. As long as WOZ continues to go out the door at the rate of 50/week and as long as JJP releases TH LE concurrent with the release of the third Hobbit film in December of 2014, nobody should have grounds for a complaint.

For example, if JJP adds a night shift to build the rumored unlicensed pin, you could have three different pins rolling out of the same factory. Stern manages it, I think Jack could too.

Because your little birdie is saying different things than my little birdie

Now we have 2.5 JJP preorders to argue about

Because this is pinball and that is what fuels it.

You said drifting, that's it, Jack's doing a Fast and furious pin. Thanks for the update !

LTG : )
Disclaimer : Don't listen to me.

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Something just exploded. I need to grab my credit card right after a shower .

Sounds exciting. I hope Jack has something up his sleeve. I'm losing interest in WOZ. TH is too far away.

I cannot believe that Jack lets you act as a representative of his company here or anywhere. Honestly.

Wow this ties in nicely with all the MM2 rumors. Vid is right we are dreamers but this dream could turn into $$ for Planetary Pinball and JJP, logically speaking (I think).

Interesting. I might just pick up a standard of this new game while other people wait for their LEs. Then I will wait patiently for the code to be finished.

Alex has stated many times he speaks for himself. Jack speaks for Jack. And you did see the comment he was responding to, right? It's not like that just came out of left field, and frankly I would've taken offense too if that had been said to me.

But of course, I don't speak for Alex.

GFY means good for you right?

Popeye remake.

You just did LOL. Alex has a right to defend himself thats for sure. However saying go f yourself goes against the rules of Pinside.

It is, see under one of the two times he said it. Paid a price for it.

Any chance JJP will ever make standard body pins?

I sure hope they do not do this, at least not for a long while. I'm all for the extra creativity in design you can have with wide body games. I like games that are different too (though I recognize different is not always better) and we have now had nothing but standard size games since 1999 (and Pin2k was actually standard size as well now that I think about it).

I'm all for having new and unique layouts and designs. Wide body games have room for some innovation; let's keep seeing it.

I'm amazed at the number of people that have been waiting for years and still defend JJP, I would lose my mind if there was even a hint of truth and I was still waiting for WOZ.

People aren't thinking straight. All Woz machines should be delivered by February ish at this current rate. WB won't let JJP release TH until next December due to the assets in the film. What is the factory supposed to do for a year? They have an assembly line staff who have just been trained up. It makes perfect sense for JJP to have hired people to work on a 3rd pin in the interim. It isn't going to affect TH production in the slightest

Sorry, I don't see this happening. I think making better tweaks to WOZ would be the best business decision right now.

A remake like MM is the only thing that makes sense. The time it is taking to do the coding on WOZ and then soon on Hobbitt would leave no time to code another game from scratch. And MM was an original theme. It makes total sense to me.

Yeah remake of MM and/or AFM (perhaps something else) would be the only way I see them having enough time to get it done before Hobbit. There has been an awful lot of talk lately about these two machines being made again. I guess we will se what happens.

Put me down for one AFM v2 please.

Any rerun of Medieval will just pale compared to a pristine original ...

Agreed!!

No more remakes. JJP is moving forward, not back to 1997.

Days the guy who owns an original and doesn't want prices to dive

I do own one I bought new, but it's extremely unlikely I'll ever sell it. If I do, it will be the last pin I ever have/sell and probably well after the peak of what it would sell for these days. A few days ago, my family told me that MM could never be sold.

"Even for fifteen thousand or more?"
<Very long pause. Wife and daughter look at each other, then at me>
"NO"

I'm slightly more practical than that, but a rerun of MM will still cost more than double of what i paid for mine, so I don't care all that much.

I'm sure JJP would have been happy to produce WOZ for the rest of the year but there doesn't seem to be many buyers beyond the pre-orders?

How many standards have been ordered?

I hope so. I would hope they would allow the designer the freedom to choose the size most appropriate for their concept.

We don't know. All we know is 1000 LEs. Anecdotally it seems the number of standards is a far smaller number, we don't hear alot from people who have ordered them and are waiting in the queue. Not sure if the standards will outnumber the LEs by the time the dust settles.

I was merely speculating, that is why the sentence and paragraph started with the word "if". I don't know any little birdies and did not make the initial comment on MM. I don't think speculating is driving rumors as much as little birdies to be honest.

If the moon was made of cheese ...

Oh boy

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How many people do you propose should be spending 40+ hours each week making tweaks to WOZ? Also seems to me the majority of 'tweaks' you are referring to are code updates, correct? My understanding is that the hardware is now working very well and all that is left is to finish production and code.

So that is ~3 people that should still be tweaking WOZ with a bunch of line staff building them till probably Feb/March 2014. That leaves 9 months before the 3rd Hobbit movie even arrives. JJP has been clear of the Hobbit release date and I am sure they nave no room to move that forward.

What would you do with all of the other people that currently work for JJP?

I assume that the coding for WOZ lays a nice framework for all future games to be coded on which means less time needed for the foundation.

I assume JJP now has a fully functioning factory with employees that are assembling pinball machines on a daily basis.

I assume JJP now has the component manufacturers all worked out after WOZ.

I assume JJP would like to keep producing pinball machines and retain any trained staff year round.

I know there are a few well known pinball designers which have ready to go layouts that would love to make a run of games.

These are a lot of assumptions, but they are all based in logic.

I welcome as many new pinball machines as possible.

I also think there is a good chance that JJP will start making some sort of redemption games at some point in the future. They would be silly not to, since those still sell like crazy on route and make HUGE $$$$$.

oh, by your statement that there were not many orders after the preorder I thought you might know something.

We don't know. All we know is 1000 LEs. Anecdotally it seems the number of standards is a far smaller number, we don't hear alot from people who have ordered them and are waiting in the queue. Not sure if the standards will outnumber the LEs by the time the dust settles.

Um no. They ran 1000 LEs. Then they setup 1000 Standard WOZ pins. When they run out of those thousand Standard WOZ they are going to make un-numbered Standard WOZ machines. My Standard, from the first week of July is #291. That was July. Believe me, they're going to sell out that numbered run of Standards too.

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I agree, especially as I think I see we're trending towards displays-within-the-playfield, I predict. The costs of that technology just keeps getting lower and lower. Pressure sensitive high definition displays within the playfield just seem to be something that will be very feasible in the near future. Such displays are PERFECT for widebodies, giving extra illumination to the center of the playfield as well as adequate real estate for a meaningful display. By that time, for JJP to be proficient at widebody design would be a very good thing.