Quoted from pezpunk:

always? they weren't "the juggernaut of pinball" 20 years ago. Williams was. times can change faster than people think. only a couple years back, Stern had 99% of the market. now they have what -- roughly 50%? JJP and CGC are selling thousands of games a year now. Stern is still the biggest by a wide margin, but that margin has shrunk dramatically in recent years.

Quoted from Pinballlew:

Care to share where you get this 400 number from?

Quoted from rubberducks:

Not sure if trolling or serious.
I know people who've visited the JJP factory in the last few months. They've been working flat out.
Perhaps you'd like to disclose the location of the desert landfill they're dumping all these DIs into, in Atari style fashion. I'd quite like a free, if sandy, DI.

Quoted from Cobra:

In all fairness I think it would be better to compare a Stern Premium with the JJP standard. Yes the standard is the low model and the pro is also. However the standard may be missing one or two aesthetic toys but all three JJP models play the same and have the same functioning toys on the playfield. The Stern pro is usually missing a few things over the premium that does affect game play. That makes the price gap smaller than what you are comparing.

Quoted from Pinballlew:

Your Source on these sale figures is?

Quoted from rubberducks:

There are 160 owners listed on Pinside. I know of about 10 people with one ... I think 1 of those has it listed on Pinside.
DI was launched a year ago and the first units shipped almost exactly 6 months ago.
Hobbit has 488 owners listed on Pinside, was launched something like 3 and a half years ago, and the first units shipped over 18 months ago.
Hobbit's supposedly shifted above 2500 units, though I don't have any idea how much more than that.
Given the above, your totally made up figures are clear fantasy.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I hate when I impregnate myself.

Quoted from stoptap:

Maybe it is time to ditch the Premium/LE models and concentrate on making good quality, serviceable (NOT buying node boards to repair), well coded games that just work, reliably out of the box ?

Quoted from pezpunk:

yeah -- i live in Northern VA. the DC/MD/VA area is huge. about 6 million people. i can count the number of locations with new Stern pins on one hand. and it's not like there are a bunch i am not aware of.
meanwhile, i know of a dozen people who bought NiB Stern games to put in their basements, and i'm 100% positive there are plenty of people like that in my area i DONT know about.
i'm finding it hard to believe that home sales don't make up a huge chunk of Stern's business.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not in LA, a state where video gambling has killed off pinball.
You have to realize there are Sterns on location all the Hell over the place. In NYC there's probably over 100.
Maybe there's more Sterns in home use now then locations? Still, the majority of locations have at least one "modern" stern.

Quoted from Pinballlew:

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Well reading this maybe your 400 DI sold figure is close. If pinballstar is one of JJP top distro's and they have sold almost 100 DI's. your figure fits.

Quoted from fosaisu:

Well, rubberducks seems to be projecting that JJP will ship 4,000 games this year, so one of you must be mistaken.