I would agree if Sterns reliability for one thing was not so bad, along with their quality control. Of course having designing games with stuff that people have not seen in the last 25-30 years would help as well. People need to see new things happening in pinball and the only thing thats been different from a player perspective is the LCD. The only one imo thats been on the money is SW.

NOthing they do in the next 5 years MIN will come close.. Its just not in their business model to goto that much effort. Do they have the potential to change or do better? Sure. Will they... No chance.

Stern are only behind comps as its a good way to market their games.. not pinball in general. If they did really care about the player than they would not have developed a Pro model game. When Gary was asked about what Stern did for Pinball in 2010 prior to ACDC coming out, he avoided the question. I cant blame him cos they were not doing anything. Having a prize like a tshirt or a pinball doing more for Stern, than Sterns doing for the community. Game development is the number 1 area that Stern (if they gave a shit about) could increase the market in terms of players being attracted to pinball again, but upto this point people are saying, yeah seen all this before.

lol JJP did.. And look now. WTF are you talking about saying the market isnt increasing from a better game? My god pull your head out of the sand. This along with competitions is the only thing that will keep pinball alive, not the HUO nostalgic market which will flood. JJP are designing games for the right market, NOT US. New players that will get attracted to new updated features. Stern have been doing to same thing for decades... is that helping things move forward??

l'll have a side bet on that.. DI will out sell both Hobbit and Woz. But then you can only reply on stat from this site...

2 bets then...

I actually cant think of a better playfield in terms of shots, flow, balance etc etc etc than DI. POTC looks good, but I am not sure that it will challenge DI in that respect anyway. I think it a good game for all skill ranges as well. Players will come to realize that imo. TZ,FH,RS,TAF all in one....

When the game is good and the theme is bad, you know its a brilliant game When the theme is the best part about the game, then you know its bad

They are in terms of PF design. Have a look at JJPOTC and you can see why. Not a hater, just someone with their eyes open knowing that the industry can do better, yet some manufacturers decide not to.

NB: GB aint a bad game actually and the code on Acdc and MET is quite good to, but dont tell me a better job could not have been done... Hmmm how about we compare both POTC's... 90s games being remade.... yeah the industry must be going well if they are bringing back games from 20 years ago! This was always going to happen that a manufacturer would come out and decide to make a game with innovations available. Sure people might be happy with their Stern collections, but dont get all cut up and defensive when someone just does things better.

lol but its got 2000% more. Bi winning!

Di could be the purest playfield ever made.. just saying. For amount of stuff in a playfield you can go past JJPOTC aka TSPP on steriods.