Quoted from Yoko2una:

I know it would never happen, but Stern's absolute best counter to JJP's reveal would be to announce a price DROP. It would further establish that they're in the large scale operator and family NIB market, while allowing JJP to tackle the high end "exotic car" market.
Their LE's can't hold a candle to JJP's standard market, and instead of trying to show value in an $8500 pin, they should drop their 3 price points and dominate the lower tier markets. Put the existing Pro models out at $4750 with a two-for-$9K deal so they can market that you can get 2 Stern Pro's for 1 JJP Pro shipped. That's how you position yourselves strategically.
However, this would make total sense, so obviously Stern wouldn't do such a thing. I have that feeling suggesting a discount to GS is like suggesting a buy-one-get-one-free to Mort.
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Quoted from Yoko2una:

Not really what I said at all, but thanks for trying.
Value propositions for home owners, quicker ROI's and perhaps less maintenance for operators...etc. Show a bang for your buck at lower price points because someone else is owning the $8500-$12K market right now.
Do you think Ford or Chevy (damn, forgot you don't like carguments)... Old Navy, Insignia TV's, (less frills) grocery stores, and anything else in the large scale market runs with a marketing strategy of "we sell cheap shit"? No, they position themselves and cater to a certain market by showing VALUE for what you get... and they succeed.

Quoted from flynnibus:

The Operator strategy has always been about what YOU EARN - not your entry price point. Games have residual values and always have. Operators care about coin drop above all else. What is Stern doing about that???

Quoted from Yoko2una:

No, it's how someone who incorrectly interpreted it thinks it reads. Ford and Chevy know to stay out of pools in which they can't swim. They know their bread and butter is in trucks and commuter cars. When they try to tap into those exotic markets, more often than not they're unsuccessful. Hyundai Equus, VW Phaeton, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8 - all failures. Smart companies know what works, and they stick to that for the vast bulk of their business.
If you think my idea which basically entails a revert to 2015 pricing, a value proposition, and a promotion that takes shot at someone who is taking away market share, makes zero sense (zero, like not even a shred, just absolute zero... because you're the know-all!) then please, be my guest to explain your $0.02 better than just misinterpreting my words and acting in your typical dismissive self.

Quoted from Yoko2una:

I don't think anyone is asking for another Street Line, and no one is asking to mimic anything Gottlieb ever did or created (yet to be fair, didn't Title Fight have 5 flippers?).
So you're opinion is that Stern should do nothing, pretend like JJP didn't just blow up the $8-12K market with the ace historically only up Stern's sleeve (a Disney License), and not consider any way at all this Expo to steal JJP's thunder and orders that most certainly are rolling in? Also, look at how many people are saying SW/GOTG/personal sales dollars are now going to JJPOTC. Stern should just watch that potential revenue go out the window?
A modest price revert to 2015, hell, keep pricing as is and throw in that HD glass and/or shaker for the remainder of 2017. Maybe that stupid candy apron that looks to have had zero sales to Pinsiders so far. Usually when your competition hits a grand slam, you have the bullpen warming up. You just don't stay the course and let the bases get loaded again. You act. Any promotion can be conceived, approved, and announced by end of day and involves no R&D. You don't always have to combat with "the next release".

Quoted from Hazoff:

SW pro is a fantastic fast playing great pinball machine, whats the point of all this Stern is in trouble crap, am I only the only one who doesn't give a shit? I mean its 3500 more for a JJP standard, it better be amazing.

Quoted from Flowst:

Sorry. but those Stern's look like cheap crap to me. Of course the usual negative people are here disagreeing, so I went to look at their collections to see why. For some reason they were listed as private. Curious....

Quoted from sparechange1974:

I believe they have gotten themselves into a tough situation. Stern impregnated themselves with this massive new building and all the overhead that comes with it. I'm guessing the only way to make sense of it is to produce an amount of titles which is more than there capable of. The changes in clear coat, wood quality and lack of code all align with a company that is overwhelmed, in a rush and past capacity.
They had such a neat deal with building the remakes to fill empty spots on the line and cover costs during down time. Between those and the vaults, and a game or two a year they had such a proven model. Should have stayed in the old building or smaller one and not gotten into this monster. No company can keep making these mistakes and not feel the consequences eventually
Bottom line thinking and out of control overhead. I hope they get this in line for everyone. I really want them to put out some nice games.

Quoted from TigerLaw:

Fair enough, but where are they putting them? I live in an MSA of about 200,000 people or so. There is one (1) modern Stern on rout in my entire MSA, a TRS pro. There are two other routed machines in my MSA, a South Park and a RCT.
Yet in my MSA there are about 40 or so modern Srerns in homes and game rooms that I know of. That's about a 40-1 ratio where I live. Where are all the routed Sterns, if they are out there?

Quoted from MikeS:

I agree with you there. I think DI probably has the greatest playfield layout of all time. The game is solid all around and fun to play but the theme doesn't do it any favors when it comes to game sales. For me the game is great in almost all aspects but falls short in a few categories. The biggest is just that the theme lacks excitement and is far too whimsical for my tastes. It doesn't really give me an adrenaline rush when playing and the game could use more exciting jackpot call-outs and perhaps a bit more risk/reward and a sense of urgency while you're playing. I get what the theme is going for but at the same time it doesn't really immerse me.

Quoted from Bond_Gadget_007:

“...and risk getting hit with flipper flutter.”
I doubt anybody has actually lost a ball down the drain due to flipper flutter. It’s very subtle twitch has little affect. Just ignore

Quoted from jwilson:

Turn off replay and match.
They are vestigial leftovers from the 1960's when they were the major reward factor of a simple EM game. They have no place in 2017 when the operating market is a hundredth of the size it was then and most people don't even realize what they are. No casual player will ever miss either of them.
Will pinheads complain? Maybe, but they're not the bread and butter market anyway, as you just said. I love me a free game but I'd rather the operator make a living.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Yup have to agree. People slam stern every minure of the day on here but you say one bad thing about spooky and they are all over you lol. Kinda funny how that works ain't it? It's perfectly ok though for Gary to be everybodys personal punching bag!

Quoted from SadSack:

Then drain it. Buh-bye. You don't own the threads you start. If they veer off course, leave them. Stop trying to be a boss on am internet forum.
CRAP!

Quoted from Who-Dey:

This thread has totally lost sight of what it was originally about,

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

It was a little more focused than that, and frankly, your early takes were off base. Now your back commenting on the OP leaving, but not people questioning your early opinion.
What’s up with that?