Fallout 4 is an awesome awesome game! One of the best games ever!

Not completely true we know George loves to commit to timeslines

I've always loved the Fall out games but this one is ridiculous. Damn Who-Dey we are so Macho, my machismo flows all over the place, how are you managing ur machismo these days? its not easy that's for sure, especially on this oh so manly website, any help is appreciated.

I figured you guys for Vegan, tree hugging snowflakes? No?

10 min left on my BM66 download......

I'm no Vegan but I love to hug trees while wearing my snowflake style underpants, what could be more macho than that?

If you can beat the last few hidden bonus stages on MO... THEN you're "macho"

A priest, a rabbi, and this thread walk into a bar....

Bartender looks up and says "Hey, is this some kind of joke"?

Shhh.......don’t let the cat out of the bag iceman!

I’m so glad all the folks here can protect me from the horrors of Pinball purchasing.

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GoT and GB amongst the best games ever and Mario games are only for children? This thread has definitely run its course.

Thats not what I was implying at all, while there's no excuse for shitty quality regardless of the numbers the comparison between the 2 companies is kind of stupid, when and if JJP is producing 3 games a year ( I hope they do one day by the way) who knows what that level of production will result in with regards to build quality and all that crap, I hope it doesn't affect it all and they make solid games, get them out there quickly with very few issues, I just wish we could appreciate both companies instead of the constant comparing of two very different manufacturers. Please don't give me speculations as to how JJP would be making 3 games a year because as of now no one knows and nor should they care.

Yes and maybe and no.

This is a very interesting topic. Aside from CrazyLevi there is a lot of interesting points being made. I was not at expo but watched the stream, the JJP reveal great! It seemed to me stern was very much in the shadow the entire time.

I'm still fairly new to pinball only getting my first machine 7 months ago, which In fact was a NIB Met Pro. I loved the game but didn't know true quality until I got a williams Indy.

Now after ground up restoring a stern POTC and a Williams T2, the quality difference is amazing. Not only is the difference amazing between a stern and a Williams, that is kinda obvious... Rather it was the staggering difference in qualtly between a stern POTC form 97 compared to a new stern Metallica. The older Stern's are made better IMO. Stern clearly will sacrifice quality to get quantity out the door.

Personally I'll never buy a new stern, unless some serious things change. Im all for JJP even though I don't own one, nor to I plan to. Their message is very clear. They care about their products and they care about their customer. They have a passion to make great machines, and make great relationships. I think stern is about making great numbers. It's too bad because stern could do better and they know it, but they won't.

LOL!

Every frickin person on this forum is a big kid with our big kid toys

And then buying toys/mods to go on the big toy!

So saying Mario Odyssey is for kids is is kind of hilarious

You guys are really something, another pinsider stated its the best game ever made or something like that so Who Dey responded "for kids I'd say it is" how does that become "its only for kids", one thing I love about pinside because I'm a bug, a big bug is its really easy to get people having to re think their masculinity because we are all old guys playing with toys, watch the comments that follow this statement, there will be a lot of justification and comparisons, I love it. I grew up with Mario and Zelda and really enjoy Pikmin and so many other nintendo original games, Mario 64 was pure magic the first time I played it, I bought the Wii and the Wii U but it just didn't click with me, once again if you go against the grain around here prepare for the "revenge of the nerds 5" the pinside years.

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Yeah I wasn’t knocking Rare Hero for playing it, even though I do think it’s a little odd for a guy his age to like Mario so much but I’m fine with that truthfully if that’s what he likes. I just don’t think that there are many gamers 50 plus years old so excited for the new Mario game coming out lol. I catch hell from a lot of people for the simple fact that I play video games at all, they just can’t believe that I still play video games at 52 years old. I did in fact like the first Mario when it came out but it’s just not a game I’d buy now no matter how good it is. Give me GTA, a good shooter, Fallout, Diablo, Resident Evil, games like that.

I guess maybe a good example might be, I bought the new Crash Bandicoot for my girlfriends grandson a couple months ago. I though this is a win win, he will enjoy it and so will I because I used to play Crash Bandicoot. I bought the game and I don’t play it because that title or theme whatever just isn’t there for me anymore. I’ve just outgrown it for whatever reason and Crash Bandicoot is way more manly than Mario ever thought of being.

There aren't, I just got done watching some gameplay of Wolfenstein 2 I doubt we will see a dedicated fan page for that game.

I have been down on the COD games the last few years but I think this new one coming out is going to be a good one. They are going back to their roots with WWll and no more jumping BS. If I could get Socom 2 back I wouldn’t play any other games at all. The early Socom games were the best games ever made in my opinion. I can’t believe Sony won’t bring those back for people.

Yeah, the last one I really enjoyed was World at War, I don't mind the older Rainbow Six, Medal of Honor and Ghost recon games either, loving Fall out 4, talk about possibly the greatest game ever made, it sure as hell isn't Mario.

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I played Castle Wolfenstein on an Apple II+ with a green monitor baby!

I rocked me some 1981!

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Why? This thread went from being about how JJP showed up Stern with their new Pirates game to a Stern bash fest and you didn’t complain about that so why would you complain if we talk about video games for a little bit?

No. This thread has run its course and was ridiculous to begin with. Lets talk video games.

Coming soon...

A dark night for Activision

Yes, Stern quality is a joke!!

I said its runs it course and is ridiculous but that doesn't mean its not entertaining. how did u post 2 in a row? it won't let me do that.

I'd like to bring up two observations:

Customer support - If I buy a JJP and have problems, I know I'll get the issue fixed and if I'm not satisfied, I can talk directly to Jack to get the issue resolved. That's not an option with Gary.

I might just take Gary's barcade advice and drop coins on location instead of ever buying NIB again.

What? do you honestly believe if JJP gets as large as Stern Jack will be making fuckin phone calls, come on man, JJP is still a boutique operation, wow. See Jfh ur thread sucks. Bye Bye

Gary responds to emails and phone calls, speaking from recent experience. So there is no reason Jack couldn't continue to do so.

I'm simply stating that as a customer of both manufacturers I have access to direct communication with the decision maker at JJP, but not at Stern.

Well, I just turned 41 - maybe that has something to do with it? Almost everyone I know is super hyped about Mario and bouncing off the walls about it. I was 6 or so when I first saw Donkey Kong & Mario Bros. in the arcade - they've been part of my life ever since. Anyone who grew up during the NES, SNES, or N64 eras are going berserk for this game....and it's not just nostalgia, the game delivers. Just so imaginative and clever and fun.

Its not how any successful customer service works these days, that is an archaic way of thinking and out of date by at least a decade.

The world is a changed place from 10-20 years ago, with everything revolving around social media and having internet access in the palm of your hands, we live in a society that wants/demands live information and updates, Stern have social media they just need to workout how to use it correctly and to their advantage in the modern era we live in of instant gratification.

Which for a lot of the worlds biggest companies is relative transparency and regular communication with their followers and customers.

If Stern had a customer support team in place that had the power to solve problems correctly and (in a timely manner), I suspect pinside would have a 30% reduction in wasted bandwidth. I'm a Stern supporter, but even I'll admit sometimes they are their own worst enemy.

As you know, I respect your opinions/knowledge, but have to disagree on The Hobbit. It's a stunning game to look at, but I really don't like the way it shoots. I don't have enough time to criticize the rules, however the layout is really uninspiring the me. As you know, I just took delivery of a Dialed-In...shoots so much nicer! For me, without a interesting shots, a game is hard to warm up to...

I felt the same way - until I got to know it. Hobbit is a "whatever" layout, but it's all about the rules, sights and sounds that brings it all together as a phenomenal experience. Unfortunately for Hobbit, it's a true "Home Use" game - you won't get a real sense of it in a noisy location or at a show.

Has anyone bought a shaker motor directly from Stern? Did you know that per their stellar customer support if you buy an after market shaker (i.e. from Pinball Life) it voids Sterns manufacturers warranty? I actually tried to buy one from Stern and couldn't even find it on their website....

When you say aftermarket shaker from PBL which are you referring to? It was my understanding PBL sold official shaker motors from Stern?

They are Stern compatible i.e. Sam/Spike, but according to Stern customer support their not "Stern Shakers"....I was miffed at the comment....

Shakers for SAM and SPIKE are in their online store, under "GIFTS", for some reason. Not easy to find...

I guess technically it would be a "gift" to myself their website is horrible....so I guess what Stern is saying is you have to pay $50+ dollars more for a shaker in order to avoid the Stern warranty....I guess buyer beware...

They do have an excellent service crew in place. It’s your distro and Chas direct from Stern

I’ve only had one pin that needed service, BM66, at it was excellent, just like JJP

Now production issues like ghosting etc that’s different

And why would you even want to talk to Gary? Chas is the man, pick up the phone

Btw, the Hobbit blows

It doesn't blow but I would rate it right around a C+. Lights, sounds and immersion are better but gameplay and layout are subpar. Still a fun pin when you get to the arkenstone modes. Mine only lasted a few weeks before I sold it

I have a decent collection, and I would say that TH Smaug is the most played by the kids, and adults....I think its incredibly well done, and very entertaining. BM66 is a decent game, but come on u can't deny its been a huge disappointment....

BM66 just had a code drop. I think it will be great when done by Lyman in December, stay tuned

TH blows comment is for my buddy Rare, the pin whisperer, and of course no Game really blows

How do you rate AFMLE?

I like it, but not in love with it like most people....the new color screen is a big upgrade over the original....kids don't really care for it....believe or not they only play TH, Met, SW, and ACDC...

Ya MET blows........ Blows me away!!!!!! That game is fun for everyone. Next thing you know you will be getting them Metallica tickets