Yeah I vaguely remember someone from JJP going on a under warranty WOZ for sale thread randomly mentioning to perspective buyers that the warranty was only for the original owners and can not be transferred. That did not go well, but they worked it through. The smaller companies have done very well with Pinside presence. Very smart of them to do so and they got rewarded with support and sales. Stern should do it also even if they take it on the chin because it would mean they are trying. JJP should do it too especially because they get a lot of love right now.

On the complaining - I feel a pretty good chunk of the legitimate complaining about Stern is totally getting lost because it is done by folks who don't own any Sterns and will likely never buy a new Stern or used one anyway. Like I have some BW or JJP friends who constantly bad mouth Stern. I never badmouth any of their games I don't really like. It does not make me happy and I feel like I am being rude doing it.

There is some - "well I would buy a new Stern if they do all these things!", but the list seems to go on too long and sorry Stern or anyone else is not dropping their prices $500 or more. If you don't like any of their games made yet like LOTR, TSPP, SM, FG, IM, MET, ACDC, TWD, GB, GOT SW etc then chances are you just will not own a newer Stern and they will not change for you. That's ok. Plenty of other options.

For me, if you complain about BM code, GB ghosted inserts or a cab issue in your game I totally feel for you and hope things get resvolved. If you got burned I get that and you should be annoyed. If you haven't gotten burned, never owned a Stern or just don't like Stern because of their gameplay or attitude and/ or feel you have to complain about them to make yourself feel better about spending a lot of money on a JJP DI or Pirates purchase or think by complaining you are helping save pinball or something that is kind of lame.

Personally I really enjoy some of the Stern games, and have owned several...i.e. Metallica, AC/DC, LOTR are clearly my favorites. Now that being said I purchased these games after they've been out in the market for a while, and have been vetted by many users. They are all really fun pins to play, but clearly their QA, and build quality has suffered recently. I say that because my LOTR LE had essentially zero dimples or play field issues after a few hundred plays, and the newer builds clearly have issues. I completely understand why they would look for ways to decrease costs, and increase profitability....that being said it makes no sense to me why they would do that with the play fields...the lesson I think many have learned is you don't get a lot of value with their LE's...especially when you compare to JJP...

If it's under warranty, call the CS line and have a tech come over and check out the heater element. These things are well engineered I doubt something like that got over looked.

You guys should just start calling and emailing Gary with your concerns. I have his number and email addy if you want it.

I work at a Pinball Bar (nothing other than that) and I'm telling you it's gotten so many people that have never played into the hobby, I think he's on the right track.

sweet user name and first post. legit for sure. Not that I disagree with pinball bars getting people into the hobby, just have to assume you are a duplicate account.

haha..."Subtle."

I already did and he will not respond.

Nope, lurked for years, just thought I didn't have much to offer because I don't own any games, I promise you I'm a legitimate non-alt account. If you like I can verify myself, just feels weird.

I owned a Bosch for a short while as well. They use a "no heat" drying system that doesn't use a heating element that saves a lot on energy costs. I forget what they call their drying "system", but that's why they don't dry very well.

Sorry for the derail, please continue bashing whatever..

I meant as far as a "barcade" because most have videogames as well, I can see how that could be confusing.

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To think your opinion only matters if you own games is absurd! Welcome to Pinside, I Hope you enjoy your stay on the pinside ride

I agree. Barcades kill it if run correctly. Just not sure how many folks who may open a barcade or own a bar hear Gary make his speeches about this? Also at at a pinball shows Gary always talks about how location games are the future of pinball, but everyone on the audience already own games and / or support location anyway.

Talking about the right things to the wrong audience Gary is.

That number is probably 10 percent of the total number of individuals who make up the pinball market, but likely also accounts for more than 50% of the $ spent on pinball. If you sought out and have joined Pinside, collectively you flex a lot of muscle. For instance, if collectors are 70% of Stern's sales that Gary claims, Pinside might touch 35% of the active $ pinball market. Cool. For all the new people that bought their first and only nib pin and don't know about Pinside, they will join the stream of people that make up the market.

Gary Stern on the evolution of pinball:

https://www.avclub.com/stern-pinball-s-gary-stern-on-the-evolution-of-pinball-1819703840

My Bosch dishwasher doesn't dry worth a shit either!

I purchased the most expensive dishwasher in the store about 2 years ago. It is a kitchen aid and it is a giant piece of crap. I've fixed it constantly, all the plastics have broken inside, plastics on the racks, plastics on the bottom assembly. Nothing holds up. All the Kitchen Aid, Kenmore, Whirlpool, Maytag all use the same parts, wouldn't of mattered what I bought. Bosch is different though, they do their own thing. My dishwasher doesn't dry worth a crap either. I'm glad this came up, I feel better getting to vent! Oh, and I paid like $1,200 for mine, what a rip off.

Always had Miele, never had a problem.

Quoted for truth!

My cheap ass Norg dryer gave up the ghost after about 10 years. I thought would be nice to my wife and buy a top of the line Washer and dryer. I paid $1000 each plus $800 for the warranty from Conns as I have bought from them in the past and they have been pretty good to deal with. Talk about a steaming pile of crap these things are OMG. The washer doesn't get the clothes clean because there is no agitator and it never spins all the water out and God forbid you put a blanket in the thing. The dryer takes forever to dry and both of them have to sing a freaking song all day long till you turn the power off. The washer rattles and shakes like it is going to blow up and what looked like stainless around the top is vinyl coated metal and the vinyl is coming off and of course that is not under warranty. I have bitched and screamed at these people and they don't give a rats ass because they have their money already. I told them I would never set foot in their store again and they don't care either. The next time I need a appliance I will buy the cheapest I can find because the Supposed good stuff doesn't last till the box is at the dump.

Bosch dishwashers are different, they don’t have internal heaters to dry dishes, which is one reason they are so dependable and more energy efficient. Plus, They are made in Canada and are super quiet. You can’t open the dishwasher when the load is done or they will be wet. We run ours overnight, they are dry in the morning. Have ours about 8 years after dealing with crap from whirlpool. Love the Bosch.

Can you guys just start a new "dishwasher only" thread?

Ive used my dishwasher to clean pinball parts a number of times. That's kind of relevant.

Well after Stern wasn't put out of business after the now epic "Unveiling of 2017" this thread is no longer holy

Melted my TZ Subway that way but I SWEAR the heat wasn't on. Sure it was after all those beers but I 'm pretty sure maybe.
And see, if this goddamn thread existed then I would have bought a Bosch and never had that problem again!

This thread was never holy, its always been as ridiculous as the title
entertaining though, I'll give it that.

Still have the basic Whirlpool builder's model (that probably cost them $150.00) when my house was built 23 years ago. After a year of loud noise when in use, I pulled it out and wrapped the exterior with cork from Home Despot. While not as quiet as a Bosch or Fisher-Paykel, It still runs great. Had to clean out the vent system in the door about three years ago as it was starting to leak water due to slow draining.

I've wanted a Bosch for many years but figured why spend the money.

Same issue with our two Miele washers.

My wife now runs them at night and empties them in the morning.

What about those a**holes from Dutch Pinball calling Stern dead three years ago?

Uff luckily I had forgot aboot them dudes.

This is correct. They depend on the hot water heating up the metal insert around the tub during the rinse cycle to heat the metal, then the latent warm metal is meant to dry the dishes over a period of time. Leaving it overnight is a good idea. Checking your household hot water temp. and turning it up a notch if possible will also help. Of course, drying by evaporation will take longer/forever or shorter depending on your local climate and humidity as well.

We got our fairly basic white fronted model on a pre-xmas sale for <$400 cdn. It has exactly the same components, etc. as the high end models, just not as fancy looking, and minus a couple of wash modes we'd never use anyway. Also has slightly less sound insulation as the higher end models, but it's quiet enough and anyone could add more if they were so inclined.

Been a solid unit thus far, if you remember to clean out the debris trap once in awhile.

Edit: oh, and I used it to wash the wiring harness for my IJ once and it worked great.

Who's gonna be the 1st thread eject (possibly in history) for relentlessly dishwasher posting?
Ours came with the house. It's not really "saving energy" if I have to add mine. Dries as great as my goddamn car wash...

And to think I got ejected from this thread for discussing burritos.

And I have the best dishwasher of all. My own two hands.

Yeah, it seems the Bosch hot water system is pretty good with regular dishware just not plastics. If you ever buy another look for direct drive and of course full stainless steel tub.

The fact that you dudes even know what brand you have is a bit weird

Who gives a shit about a dishwasher! Wtf

How about underwear? Tried Stance brand, will never wear anything else again. Awesome feel!

The best feeling is to go nintendo, oh I love it.

Do you mean commando?

Underwear? What is this the 80s?

That's good too. I'll do that after a workout at the gym

Ok, shark jumped.

Yeah, a girl I use to know called it nintendo once and it still makes smile, she made me smile

A motor burning is not a pleasant olfactory experience

A Dark Night for Doing the Dishes

I know what I have because I spent a lot of time researching before purchasing. Couldn't give you the model # though, but could have up to almost a year after.

My dishwasher is currently running, lets talk detergent.

Reminds me of an old joke. What does o-din do when his dishwasher quits working? Feeds him a burrito!

Another vote for Bosch here, BTW. It may not be as affordable as o-din, but it's quieter after a few drinks.

Wrong thread iceman.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/i-cant-seem-to-find-1oo-cotton-briefs-anymore

I guess we have run out of things to complain about and now dishwashers and underwear are more interesting.

Well, it is Friday night.